Mormons search the web and find doubt

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One of the things that attracted me towards Catholicism was how no one ever dodged difficult issues. There was no fear about talking about the crusades, abuse, inquisition etc. You can see that on this website.
I found the opposite in my RCIA classes sadly. Nothing but feel good liberalism to make ladies converting to get married feel better. The closest we got to any hard issues was the preferred coffee type. I still don’t consume coffee or caffeine, I’m not sure what the fuss was about. The Priest was amazing, (he didn’t teach though) but he left back to his African home. 😦

This website is nice, but the classes are the real obstacle, not Doctrine.
 
The article reads as if Elder Mattsson is still a practicing Mormon and is serving as an Area Seventy (though this isn’t explicitly stated). Does anyone know if this is the case? If so, I would think this marks a drastic change in the LDS Church’s treatment of skeptical members. But only five years ago I personally knew of an Area Seventy who was removed from his calling for similar behavior (ignoring the command of a superior who told him to stop calling attention to some artifact of the history of the church).
 
They used to come on here, and I hoped they learned something, but they have been MIA for some time now. Wonder why??
It might have something to do with the way they’ve been treated here recently.

I started lurking at CAF about 7 years ago as a practicing Mormon. When I first came to this site, the Mormon threads were robust and cordial. I’ve recently come back, and have finally joined as a member. In the last 6 years I’ve come to understand that Mormonism is false and that apostolic Christianity is true, yet I have to say, if I were to see the recent Mormon threads 7 years ago I probably would’ve written off Catholicism entirely for nothing more than the volatile hostility with which so many Mormon posters are met.

Being told that you’re hopelessly deceived, purposefully ignoring evidence, deceptively ignoring posts, and blind beyond all belief is enough to make anyone want to run away. What’s worse is that these “Catholic” posters when called to task for their uncharitable remarks would quickly dig deep into their martyr complex and compare their rhetoric styles to those of Jesus and the Pope! They would then be lauded by individuals sympathetic to their cause, and the entire process would repeat when a new thread was posted.

I know I’m going to make a lot of enemies by saying this, but you posters at CAF treat Mormons like garbage. Thankfully, I’ve come to understand the truthfulness of Catholicism/Orthodoxy independent of CAF, otherwise my soul would likely be lost to the abyss.
 
It might have something to do with the way they’ve been treated here recently.

I started lurking at CAF about 7 years ago as a practicing Mormon. When I first came to this site, the Mormon threads were robust and cordial. I’ve recently come back, and have finally joined as a member. In the last 6 years I’ve come to understand that Mormonism is false and that apostolic Christianity is true, yet I have to say, if I were to see the recent Mormon threads 7 years ago I probably would’ve written off Catholicism entirely for nothing more than the volatile hostility with which so many Mormon posters are met.

Being told that you’re hopelessly deceived, purposefully ignoring evidence, deceptively ignoring posts, and blind beyond all belief is enough to make anyone want to run away. What’s worse is that these “Catholic” posters when called to task for their uncharitable remarks would quickly dig deep into their martyr complex and compare their rhetoric styles to those of Jesus and the Pope! They would then be lauded by individuals sympathetic to their cause, and the entire process would repeat when a new thread was posted

I know I’m going to make a lot of enemies by saying this, but you posters at CAF treat
Mormons like garbage. Thankfully, I’ve come to understand the truthfulness of Catholicism/Orthodoxy independent of CAF, otherwise my soul would likely be lost to the
abyss.
What it took you 6yrs to figure out mormon is false?? I worked that one out in a 30min documantry, actually is more like 5mins in when they said after Jesus was resurected he moved to the US lol…:whacky::
 
It might have something to do with the way they’ve been treated here recently.

I started lurking at CAF about 7 years ago as a practicing Mormon. When I first came to this site, the Mormon threads were robust and cordial. I’ve recently come back, and have finally joined as a member. In the last 6 years I’ve come to understand that Mormonism is false and that apostolic Christianity is true, yet I have to say, if I were to see the recent Mormon threads 7 years ago I probably would’ve written off Catholicism entirely for nothing more than the volatile hostility with which so many Mormon posters are met.

Being told that you’re hopelessly deceived, purposefully ignoring evidence, deceptively ignoring posts, and blind beyond all belief is enough to make anyone want to run away. What’s worse is that these “Catholic” posters when called to task for their uncharitable remarks would quickly dig deep into their martyr complex and compare their rhetoric styles to those of Jesus and the Pope! They would then be lauded by individuals sympathetic to their cause, and the entire process would repeat when a new thread was posted.

I know I’m going to make a lot of enemies by saying this, but you posters at CAF treat Mormons like garbage. Thankfully, I’ve come to understand the truthfulness of Catholicism/Orthodoxy independent of CAF, otherwise my soul would likely be lost to the abyss.
I thinks that’s a very important lesson for us all to remember.

Don’t assume someone has come to CAF for a fight. They may genuinely be searching. Whatever their reason, it’s a great opportunity to show them the truth charitably.
 
If you have complaints about posters or how CAF is moderated, I suggest you contact the mods themselves. This thread is not for that purpose.
Please return to the topic of the OP.
 
One pf the things JS could not foresee, apparently, was the availability in the future of so much information, and that his teachings would survive, word for word. The ability to see all that the LDS leaders wrote is devastating to members.

It was research prior to the web that led me out of Mormonism. It is so much easier now that it was then to do the research.

All I kept thinking as I came across old doctrine and teaching was “I was never told about this”

and those kept stacking and stacking till I no longer had a testimony.

The one thing the LDS Church taught me that was valuable was the notion that there was only supposed to be ONE Church.

That made me search till I find it.
 
Wow, that was a powerful article. Thank you so much for sharing it. When you’re part of an organization for such a long time, it’s so hard to let go because it’s all you’ve ever known. It can be devasting. I just hope that, henceforth, everything with Hans Mattsson is OK as far as his mental health is concerned.
I remember a talk when I was LDS by a member of what was my then stake presidency. He was relaying a mission story of his about how a man pulled a shot gun on he and his companion because he felt like the missionaries were “trying to pull out his spiritual rug from underneath him” (quoting the man’s talk)

That phrase has always stuck with me even to this day. Now it’s the internet that is the tool that challenges peoples spiritual rug/foundation.
 
Let’s hope this false religion soon collapses.

It has offered nothing to the world.
I have to admit, I dont hope for a “collapse”, but rather a graduale decline simply because of economic reasons. The LDS church is major employer for many UT families. I would hate to see those families in an economic crisis as well…
 
I wonder if it is possible for the LDS Church to transition from a prophet-based Church to a simple protestant faith? Is it possible for the church to survive if they came clean and told the truth about the first vision, the prophesies and book of mormon and history, etc and then say, “but our faith in God is strong and our lifestyle and conduct speaks for itself. Join us to live a true Christian life”.

The LDS Church is pretty attractive but for the whole prophet/js/b of m
 
I wonder if it is possible for the LDS Church to transition from a prophet-based Church to a simple protestant faith? Is it possible for the church to survive if they came clean and told the truth about the first vision, the prophesies and book of mormon and history, etc and then say, “but our faith in God is strong and our lifestyle and conduct speaks for itself. Join us to live a true Christian life”.

The LDS Church is pretty attractive but for the whole prophet/js/b of m
In addition to the “prophet” issue, they would have to change their entire theology (pre-mortal existence, progression, exaltation, Trinity…). Until they do this I don’t think they could be considered Christians and therefore not Protestant. It is an interesting thought, however, and knowing how easily Mormon doctrines are changed and accepted it is not out of the realm of possibility.
 
As time passes, more information comes to light, more research is done, and we see that the LDS doctrines, foundational events, etc are untenable, and LDS frequently will rely on claiming that they have received a witness of the Holy Ghost, so none of the difficulties really matter, since they know that it’s “true” anyway (you can see this sort of argument over at Mormon Dialogue and Discussion Board). Many LDS also put things up on the mental shelf, resorting to either deal with the difficulties later, or just believe that there has to be a reason for the difficulty, and that we may not know the answer until we’re on the other side (I’ve had such discussions with active LDS friends a few times).

LDS apologetics, most especially the material put out by FAIR and FARMS/MI, many times causes more questions to be asked then answered. Things like Michael Ash’s Shaken Faith Syndrome (I purchased and read his latest edition) don’t really help, and instead cause a sort of dichotomy between what the apologists are saying, and what the LDS leaders, the prophets and apostles, are saying, and have said, including in General Conferences. With the internet, we now have more ways to read what LDS leaders have stated, in official capacities (and not just their mere “opinion”), throughout LDS history. It then becomes a matter of whether we believe what the living prophets and apostles have taught and teach, or whether we believe the apologist interpretations and re-imagining of Mormonism (which really is ironic to me in light of LDS arguments against theologians, the philosophies of men, not listening to/following the prophets and apostles, etc), casting doubts on the reliability of the teachings of the apostles and prophets, including in General Conferences (i.e. the “opinion” argument).
 
This is exactly how I’m feeling now. I’ve done research and have found faults and it literally feels like a spiritual earthquake has shaken my foundation. Just like in a real life natural disaster, it takes time to recover and bounce back, same goes for religion. So when someone’s faith is shaken like this, it’s hard for them to find what is right in the pile of mess they have. Pray for people like him and me because having your faith shaken like this, is not something i wish upon anyone.
 
This is exactly how I’m feeling now. I’ve done research and have found faults and it literally feels like a spiritual earthquake has shaken my foundation. Just like in a real life natural disaster, it takes time to recover and bounce back, same goes for religion. So when someone’s faith is shaken like this, it’s hard for them to find what is right in the pile of mess they have. Pray for people like him and me because having your faith shaken like this, is not something i wish upon anyone.
Praying for you and him, and all other Mormons experiencing it.

I was agnostic for many years post-Mormonism…
 
This is exactly how I’m feeling now. I’ve done research and have found faults and it literally feels like a spiritual earthquake has shaken my foundation. Just like in a real life natural disaster, it takes time to recover and bounce back, same goes for religion. So when someone’s faith is shaken like this, it’s hard for them to find what is right in the pile of mess they have. Pray for people like him and me because having your faith shaken like this, is not something i wish upon anyone.
it was devastating for me. I had given up so many friends and family to become LDS. Then, I went on my mission at age 24. I was a college grad with a job and fiancee’., I quit my job, sold my car, sold anything I could, left my fiance and went on my mission.

When i finally discovered the truth, it was awful. So much sacrifice…for what?

My belief in God was too strong to become Agnostic or Atheist. I never stopped believing. But, it was very difficult.
 
I find it interesting that people can grow in spirituality, heading in such opposite directions. I started looking online into criticisms of my faith back in the mid-90’s. It was a totally opposite experience than what’s being shared here. I found interacting with criticisms and resolving them to my satisfaction, to be a learning, growing experience that clarified and solidified my beliefs.

Do more people learn stuff online and doubt or leave? I don’t know. I’m sure there are people doing it in most any religion. I do know that I’m hardly the only LDS person out there to plumb the depths of LDS criticism, and not only remain faithful, but grow in faith.
 
I find it interesting that people can grow in spirituality, heading in such opposite directions. I started looking online into criticisms of my faith back in the mid-90’s. It was a totally opposite experience than what’s being shared here. I found interacting with criticisms and resolving them to my satisfaction, to be a learning, growing experience that clarified and solidified my beliefs.

Do more people learn stuff online and doubt or leave? I don’t know. I’m sure there are people doing it in most any religion. I do know that I’m hardly the only LDS person out there to plumb the depths of LDS criticism, and not only remain faithful, but grow in faith.
Same thing happened with me, except it was the Catholic faith. I was getting really annoyed with the Catholic family that was watching my child at the time. They were acting so Christian and I just knew that Catholics were evil little beings, having been raised one myself. I studied and studied, but, to my surprise, I ended up researching myself right into being Catholic! 😃
 
I find it interesting that people can grow in spirituality, heading in such opposite directions. I started looking online into criticisms of my faith back in the mid-90’s. It was a totally opposite experience than what’s being shared here. I found interacting with criticisms and resolving them to my satisfaction, to be a learning, growing experience that clarified and solidified my beliefs.

Do more people learn stuff online and doubt or leave? I don’t know. I’m sure there are people doing it in most any religion. I do know that I’m hardly the only LDS person out there to plumb the depths of LDS criticism, and not only remain faithful, but grow in faith.
I am just not sure how anyone who truly does research can stay LDS unless the blind themselves to the truth. To learn how js lied. to learn how Cumorah was a lie, to learn how polygamy truly came to be, to learn about the Book of Abraham, etc etc etc…it is just beyond understanding
 
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