Mormons storing food for a year

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My Mormon relatives are food storers, and when need arises anywhere – lilke floods in Idaho some years ago, a lot of that food went to help the disaster area. It wasn’t held in reserve for Mormons. They distributed it wherever it was needed.

Heck, guys! Give credit where credit is due. This is one “tradition of men” that definitely builds up independence for the family, fellowship for the community, and charity for those outside the fold.
I don’t doubt you are right about the ones where you are, and as I said, the ones that once flooded into the area where I live, but pretty much drifted off by now, might have been a slightly different kind of Mormons. (Though they certainly were LDS, not RLDS) Most seemed to be from California, and that might have explained a lot. But the ones I knew, and I knew a goodly number, would tell you as plain as could be if you asked, that when the “time of tribulation” came there would be no sharing with Gentiles to it. That was a whole different thing from some momentary natural disaster, for which they might have been more generous-minded.

That really bothered a lot of people around here, all of whom knew it. I had some cattle then, and I remember drinking beer with some hill folk after a hot, sweaty afternoon working with them, and some of the men started talking about it. There was serious, serious resentment of that attitude. Real anger. Anyway, I proposed that if the “tribulation” came, we would all get together and butcher my cattle first and eat them with whatever anybody had in his garden, then, if things didn’t get better, we would all get our guns and go see what the Mormons were hiding. It was a joke, meant to defuse the anger, and everybody thought it was a hoot, but there is no doubt whatever in my mind that is exactly what would have happened if some mega-disaster had occurred. I wonder, too, which “survival strategy” would have been more successful. I think I know.
 
If you live in Eastern Iowa it really is not that long of a drive to hop on I88 come to IL then go to Bloomingdale and vist Caputo’s Market. They have loads of Italian food and fresh Italian vegetables. That’s where DW gets most of the stuff we eat.
Alas, wrong side of the state.😦
 
I have just been reading lds.org and discovered that Mormons are to try and keep enough food in storage to feed their family for a year, in case there is ever a time when food is scarce.

Doesn’t this go against the teachings of Jesus to feed the poor?
How does ensuring that your family is fed go against a commandment to feed the poor? Isn’t there something about charity beginning at home?
 
I am married to a good Catholic Sicilian who has enough food in our freezer and pantry to feed us for several months. 😃

She has this just in case company drops by. When we have planned company or holidays there is even more. About every 3 months she goes through the pantry and takes the stuff that is about to expire (freshness date) over to our parish food pantry. I often wonder what the poor people think of getting canned cannellini beans, Panettone, canned artichokes, hearts of palm or a jar of pesto.
Hey, coming from a fellow Sicilian, I think it is GREAT! Your wife is a saint!😉

And since I have a hard time finding authentic Sicilian food in Iowa, do you think she could send me some of her outdated or soon to be expired food?😛
I thought the Bridges of Madison county was fiction,:o those husbands better watch out!:rotfl:

PS the book was much better than the movie
 
Jump forward a few years and I was a young pregnant newlywed who had been confined to bed for the last 5 months of my pregnancy. my ex-husband and I were living in St George at the time. He was going to school full time and I was under Drs orders to stay prone unless to relieve myself or shower. Otherwise I would lose my baby. I called the Relief Society president and she came to my house and told me that if my husband and myself would come to church and pay tithing for 3 months, we could get help. I explained to her that I wasn’t able to hold a calling… I wasn’t able to sit through a meeting… I was unable to work in the fields and I was the only bread earner, since my husband was going to school full time. We were denied church “welfare”.

Yeah… Mormons take care of their own. :rolleyes:

in Christ
Steph
I’m so sorry Steph that you had to go through that. That’s awful. Yes, they make people “earn” their charity if they give it at all. My husband has horror stories about “church welfare”.
BTW, what part of MN are you in? We were there this past summer b/c we are thinking of moving there.

As far as the food storage…yes, storing essentials in case of emergency is a good thing. They take it a bit far. My MIL has boxes upon boxes of food storage years old that has probably gone bad by now. They built a false wall in their house to hide the food storage so the gentiles would not get to it when the time came. No, there were no plans to share with the gentiles. By the way, food storage was our wedding present from the inlaws and several others in our ward. I was a new convert at the time, and I thought someone had given us a blender. Imagine my surprise when I opened the box and found a huge box of brownie mix and a large can of potato soup! 😃 My husband had to explain it was to start our food storage.

Andrea
 
Well my point was isn’t a years worth a bit excessive?

While that food is stored away for their own use, there are the poor who could use it right now.

It just seems to be thinking way too far into the future when people need food right now.

We are supposed to trust in God, and know He will provide in times of need.

A year’s supply of food doesn’t seem to be trusting God.
Mormons were originally advised to store for only six months. In recent years (I think under the LDS President Spencer Kimball, but possibly one of his successors), this has been extended to one year.

You need to keep in mind that all baptised Mormons who are able fast at least once per month (the first Sunday of each month, except I think during General Conferences in April and October, when the fast Sunday is moved to another day). The money not spent on food during the fast Sunday is given to the fund for the LDS welfare program. Also, Mormons are taught that in times of need they should be prepared to share their food stores with others as they can do so without jeopardizing their own families.

For the most part however, food stores are used mostly by Mormons along with their budgeting (another religious obligation of Mormons is to keep a family budget and if possible to keep enough cash on-hand for several months’ family expenses) and with help from the Church Welfare programs whenever hardship befalls individual LDS families. Mormons who are faithful to their Prophet’s guidance on these matters seldom need fear complete destitution. (Of course, many Mormons can’t or don’t follow the guidance of their leadership on these sorts of issues). Mormons have become increasing aware that they should be more charitable to the broader community; hence, I notice that many LDS missionaries spend a certain number of hours each month volunteering in food kitchens or similar projects for the poor.

Finally, keep in mind that Mormonism is a bit millenarian: they expect a time of trouble to come just before the return of Christ. They feel that by accepting the advice of their Prophets and preparing now for such a time IS trusting God. After all, Joseph in the Old Testament told Pharaoh to store up SEVEN YEARS worth of food against a prophesied seven-year famine.
 
How does ensuring that your family is fed go against a commandment to feed the poor? Isn’t there something about charity beginning at home?
I guess my OP wasnt clear, but I was more shocked at the fact that the LDS web site says to keep enough food for a whole YEAR.
To me, a year is a bit extreme.
I know we all have to provide for our family, and many of you have said that you store stuff for 3 months, which is cool by me, some stuff I have lasts that long too like sauces and spices.
On the LDS web site it actually listed what foods and specific amounts for a whole year, and it just seemed like hoarding to me, when within that 12 months, others less fortunate could need some food.
 
. . . . Jump forward a few years and I was a young pregnant newlywed who had been confined to bed for the last 5 months of my pregnancy. my ex-husband and I were living in St George at the time. He was going to school full time and I was under Drs orders to stay prone unless to relieve myself or shower. Otherwise I would lose my baby. I called the Relief Society president and she came to my house and told me that if my husband and myself would come to church and pay tithing for 3 months, we could get help. I explained to her that I wasn’t able to hold a calling… I wasn’t able to sit through a meeting… I was unable to work in the fields and I was the only bread earner, since my husband was going to school full time. We were denied church “welfare”.

Yeah… Mormons take care of their own. :rolleyes:

in Christ
Steph
Church welfare is NOT supposed to be predicated on one’s Church attendance, nor even on one’s ability to “earn” the help received. This sort of thing DOES happen however. In some cases these sorts of rules are invoked when it is known or believed that you have actually left the LDS Church and are attending another denomination–the feeling is that if you no longer consider yourself Mormon, and are part of some other faith-community, why are you not seeking help from them? People who refuse any contact with the church–who turn away home teachers and visiting teachers and make it known that contact from the LDS Church is unwelcome–often find that it is then difficult to suddenly show up asking for help. I don’t necessarily approve of this, as it seems out of keeping with Christian charity; but it happens. In many cases it is pure fickleness on the part of someone. Had you contacted the ward bishop, the likelihood is that such strictures would have been removed. Sorry about your experience. (I’m a former Mormon, by the way, so am not ‘defending’ them, just clarifying what I think is supposed to be the policy).
 
When my father died my mom still had 4 kids at home. I was only 6 and other than the typical post-mortem jello salads an casseroles we got no help from the LDS church. We were and remained active members. My mom served in Young Women’s presidency for years.

They told her that since she didn’t pay her full 10% tithe she wasn’t eligible for help. The church was using my sister & her husband’s land for the welfare farm. They were young an newly married and not in a position to help my mother.

I’m sure that is what Christ would have done-- Oh hungry person, can I feed you? Let me check the books first.
 
When my father died my mom still had 4 kids at home. I was only 6 and other than the typical post-mortem jello salads an casseroles we got no help from the LDS church. We were and remained active members. My mom served in Young Women’s presidency for years.

They told her that since she didn’t pay her full 10% tithe she wasn’t eligible for help. The church was using my sister & her husband’s land for the welfare farm. They were young an newly married and not in a position to help my mother.

I’m sure that is what Christ would have done-- Oh hungry person, can I feed you? Let me check the books first.
When I was an active LDS, I occasionally had people on my ‘home-teaching’ assignments who were inactives resentful of the Church for how they had been treated when they were in need. I don’t mean to deny that such abuses happen, therefore. I do think that the refusal to render help where needed is actually something that represents a deviation from official SLC policy. In fact, I was told by a representative of LDS Church Welfare that it is illegal for the Church to refuse many kinds of help, even to a non-member who just happens to show up at the Welfare Services door. I don’t know the details of why that would be, but believe it is related to the Mormon Church’s 501(c) 3 tax-exempt status.

I’ll tell a true story on myself, however. Several years ago, I was in financial straits after several car accidents within a period of a few months. None of the accidents were my fault, but contrary to popular perceptions, legal counsel was not able to make me an independently-wealthy man. Rather, I was left with considerable debt owed on my own cars (in two cases the automobiles were ‘total’ losses, but the insurance only paid what the cars were valued at, not what I actually owed on the vehicles). My wife was also left unable for quite awhile to do the sort of heavy lifting that her former job as a CNA had required–due to ‘soft tissue’ injuries that our lawyers informed us were doubtlessly real but which are particularly difficult to show on X-rays or photos. (Tip: if you’re going to be in a car accident, in addition to making certain that it’s the other driver’s fault–see to it that all injuries involve massive, scarring wounds and/or broken bones).

I was able to work, and because of that, we made barely too much to qualify for food stamps or other state welfare–but not enough to allow us to buy food and to pay our necessary bills. At the time I was seriously exploring the possibility of returning to the LDS Church and when I expressed a need for help with groceries, it was given with no questions asked and with no recriminations. I was really rather pleased with the kind of help we received: Church Welfare storehouses are vaguely reminiscent of small Aldi’s stores, and the food one gets is new and fresh and very good. After going for two or three months to the storehouse, however, neither I nor my wife could see remaining a part of the LDS Church and so we stopped attending and stopped asking for help from them.

At about the same time, my wife had notified one of the non-Mormon religious social-services agencies of our situation. This was right around Thanksgiving and Christmas. Within a few weeks we had a surfeit of foods of all kinds, including two or perhaps it was three turkeys. What impressed me particularly was that even though neither my wife nor I are Lutheran nor Roman Catholic–a great deal of the help we received came from either the Lutheran Church/Missouri Synod OR from Catholic Charities. Neither of those denominations gave a flip about whether or not we had any sort of affiliation with their churches or not–they just knew we needed help and they gave it. I’m not at all certain that the LDS Church is THAT generous as a matter of policy.
 
Neither of those denominations gave a flip about whether or not we had any sort of affiliation with their churches or not–they just knew we needed help and they gave it. I’m not at all certain that the LDS Church is THAT generous as a matter of policy
:rotfl: :bigyikes:

It’s not the story, flameburn, but the usage of the word ‘flip’ that made me just about spew my pop out my nose. That is sooooooo mormonesque. ROFL
 
My Mormon fiance, well, pretty much ex-Mormon, though she hasn’t yet resigned or been excommunicated, is big on food storage. But then, so am I, and have been for many years. I think it is just good common sense to keep a fair amount of food on hand, and I’ve always kept an eye on my pantry, thinking, what if there was an earthquake, could I live on this for a few weeks?

I’ve joked many times, though, about the one-year idea. I tell my love that, sweetie, that food won’t do you that much good. Once the neighbors with guns know you’ve got it, they’ll come and take it from you, I guarantee it.
 
I don’t see anything wrong with this. It’s nothing more than prudent planning.

A year is not at all excessive. No matter where you live, or what religion you are. There are numerous scenarios where one might need to care for their family without the help of the US or local governments. Many natural disasters can put a country or region in ruins without deystroying the whole world. Volcanos, Hurricains, Meteors, etc… Many from Katrina are still out of housing. I know of some who had left a little early with thier travel trailers and whatever they could carry, and are still living just fine in the trailer park they found. Sounds like good planning to me.

My vacation home, which I am moving to soon, is right close to Mt. St. Helens. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a back up plan in case it blows again.

As far as the Mormans go, they’ve always had that “end of the world” preperation thing going. I don’t know if it was just local or sanctioned by thier church, but back in the '80’s their was a big upproar in my city (big city) about the discovery of rather large armories hidden below a rather well known chain of small amusement parks (mini-golf types). In the end, it turned out that they had all the right paperwork and permits to have them and defended their positions in the papers as just being prepared to defend themselves in case of global disasters. The chains were sold off and the armories are gone, but I’ll bet they were just moved somewhere.

I’m not a big fan of their religion, but I can’t knock this particular idea.
 
I have just been reading lds.org and discovered that Mormons are to try and keep enough food in storage to feed their family for a year, in case there is ever a time when food is scarce.

Doesn’t this go against the teachings of Jesus to feed the poor?
In the Old Testament, Joseph was helping Egypt storing foods for 7 years. Later, he shared the food with Egypt’s neighbors.
 
It’s not just mormons, but the feds have started telling folks to store up water (and probably food) for weeks or months in case of a terrorst attack or disruption/contamination of the food supply or disruption of the transportation system.

My college age son has intructions to head for home and for families to have at least a 2 to 4 week supply of food and water. They are to have plans in place to be picked up from school or to make their way home (you would think that would be even more dangerous to have thousands of college students trying to make their way home during an emergency- wouldn’t they be safer to stay put ???).

I’ve also seen containers at Costco for food that should last up to a year. Does Uncle Sam (Mormons and Costco) know something that we should know ???
 
When the oil-based economy (that is, our present-day economy) goes bust, the Mormons will be way ahead of the rest of us. Joseph Smith didn’t get martyred for nuttin’, honey.:cool:
 
:rotfl: :bigyikes:

It’s not the story, flameburn, but the usage of the word ‘flip’ that made me just about spew my pop out my nose. That is sooooooo mormonesque. ROFL
O MY- how true!!! my brother say ‘flippin’ like every other flippin’ word, LOL!!!
 
i am returning to this thread now. earlier on in this thread, it seems that there was alot of animosity towards Mormons, church welfare, and the practice of storing food. it seemed like some posts were leaning towards personal attacks.

i am sorry that some of you have had situtations that were negative with receiving church welfare. IME, it was not this way when i grew up at our ward. as in any religion, there are people who are not generous or charitable. this does not mean that everyone is that way. i know that the Mormons i know are not that way. and they are not selfish or uncharitable- they would help anyone at anytime. now is this everyone who is Mormon? of course not. conversely, is this how every Catholic is? charitable and unselfish? of course not, b/c there is more to our personalities than our faiths, unfortunately.

is it really our job as Christians to put others down, even of we dont agree with them? I know that it is cliche’, but what would Jesus do?

my family had some very hard times and the Mormon church helped us alot- yes we were expected to help out at the storehouse- i dont see anything wrong with that.

i have not been active in the Mormon church for over 15 years. i became a Presbyterian in my adult years, and am now in RCIA, finally, TBTG.

i have no tie to the Mormon church except for my parents and 3 of my siblings. i have no intention of every returning to that church. i have longed to be Catholic for 20 years, and now I am almost there.

i believe in keeping charitable attitudes towards others, regardless of what we percieve that they do or not do.

as far as the food storage issue goes, i bet most of us have food in our cabinets that have been there MORE than a year. i know that i do. but i also pull items out a couple of times a year to take to the crisis food center.
 
The Mormons I have known were all very self-reliant people who helped one another when needed. We should remember that when various groups of Catholics came to this country they were not held in a favorable light. Sometimes we fear or put down things we do not know about. DH covered the Utah territory when he was in business and he has always said that the Mormons were very good to work with. They kept their promises, you really did not need a contract. I don’t care why they store food for a year, but I bet it has something to do with self-reliance as I mentioned before. Wouldn’t hurt the rest of us to follow suit. With the way things are going, we might soon wish we had that food.
 
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