Mormons to Mark 30th anniversary of blacks in priesthood

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Sorry for the delay, Amy. I had an appointment.

I don’t know the reason for the prohibition–and I don’t imagine you know why only descendants of Levi were allowed the priesthood anciently. God never said why no one else but Levites were eligible–and I don’t know of any authoritative statement for the prohibition that was in place from 1847 to 1978. I just accept it the same as I

the fact that Jesus didn’t explain why the apostles were not to go to the gentiles until after His resurrection.

Alma
let me direct you to a list of “authoritative statements” on this:

signaturebookslibrary.org/neither/neitherappx.htm#Appendix

references are present so that you can verify it. this was refernced in a special on his subject by PBS:

pbs.org/mormons/themes/prohibition.html
 
Sorry for the delay, Amy. I had an appointment.

I don’t know the reason for the prohibition–and I don’t imagine you know why only descendants of Levi were allowed the priesthood anciently. God never said why no one else but Levites were eligible–and I don’t know of any authoritative statement for the prohibition that was in place from 1847 to 1978. I just accept it the same as I accept the fact that Jesus didn’t explain why the apostles were not to go to the gentiles until after His resurrection.

Alma
Christ was prophesied as the Messiah, and thus he ministered to the Jews only, in fulfillment of prophecy.

The message of Christ is that all are His people, including gentiles.Neither Christ or the Apostles continued the Levite tradition. Christ appointed the Apostles and they appointed bishops, based on their discipleship and the discernment of the Holy Spirit, not their tribes or skin color. This is a Mormon construct with no basis in the teachings of Christ.
 
BartBurk, the Mormons have a “Trinity” they just define it differently. Just as their understanding of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is different, so too is their definition of Trinity. As for accepting the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. Since you say you were once a Mormon, then you obviously would know that their theology is completely incompatible. For them to accept the doctrine of the Trinity is for them to become an entirely different faith.
Mormons have already readily accepted new doctrines and denounced others that have made them an entirely different faith…remember polygamy?:rolleyes:
 
Mormons have already readily accepted new doctrines and denounced others that have made them an entirely different faith…remember polygamy?:rolleyes:
And the past 20 years. Mormons today are not how I was raised a Mormon. For one, this idea of sola scriptura never existed until recently.
 
Mormons have already readily accepted new doctrines and denounced others that have made them an entirely different faith…remember polygamy?:rolleyes:
Yes, but the Mormon “Trinity” contains 3 separate “personages” and Mormons believe that God/Heavenly Father and Jesus each have their own physical body. It is hard to see how that could ever be reconciled with the concept of a traditional Christian “Trinity”. If they did that, they would no longer be Mormons, they’d be something else.
 
Yes, but the Mormon “Trinity” contains 3 separate “personages” and Mormons believe that God/Heavenly Father and Jesus each have their own physical body. It is hard to see how that could ever be reconciled with the concept of a traditional Christian “Trinity”. If they did that, they would no longer be Mormons, they’d be something else.
They are already something else. Modern Mormonism is nowhere near what Joseph Smith “restored” or what Brigham Young preached.

I’m sure they’re both rolling in their graves.
 
They are already something else. Modern Mormonism is nowhere near what Joseph Smith “restored” or what Brigham Young preached.

I’m sure they’re both rolling in their graves.
i think they are weeping and wailing and gnashing their teeth; not in their graves but rather somewhere warmer.
 
BartBurk, the Mormons have a “Trinity” they just define it differently. Just as their understanding of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is different, so too is their definition of Trinity. As for accepting the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. Since you say you were once a Mormon, then you obviously would know that their theology is completely incompatible. For them to accept the doctrine of the Trinity is for them to become an entirely different faith.
Actually, the seeds for belief in the Trinity are in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. They could easily embrace it just like the Community of Christ does.
 
Why does the Catholic Church deny the priesthood to women?

zerinus
Some one already answered this one partially. Christ was male and he chose only males. Further, in the OT, the priesthood was also limited to males. It is not because women are unfit or unholy.

Besides, doesn’t the LDS limit the priesthood to males as well?
 
Yes, but the Mormon “Trinity” contains 3 separate “personages” and Mormons believe that God/Heavenly Father and Jesus each have their own physical body. It is hard to see how that could ever be reconciled with the concept of a traditional Christian “Trinity”. If they did that, they would no longer be Mormons, they’d be something else.
Actually, the whole idea of three separate personages is based on one version of the appearance of the Father and Son to Joseph Smith. There are other versions where only Jesus is mentioned. The Community of Christ has the same history and doesn’t see any conflict between it and the doctrine of the Trinity. Indeed, the central proposition of the doctrine of the Trinity is that Jesus was always God, something Mormons currently deny. If they would throw out their belief that God the Father was once a man and admit that Father, Son and Holy Ghost were eternally one God they would be in a position to accept the doctrine of the Trinity. Since that is what the Book of Mormon teaches it is not far-fetched that some future Mormon leader might see fit to redefine Mormon teaching in this manner. They have already come very close to tossing out the idea that God the Father had a Father. It’s something they rarely mention anymore unless they are pushed against the wall on it. Rather or not the Father has a physical body is really not at issue in the Nicene Creed – the central issue is whether or not Jesus was always God, something Mormons currently deny. The other issue Mormons have to deal with is ex-nihilo creation. They need to accept the fact that God created everything out of nothing rather than out of pre-existing matter. In my opinion that would be a much harder issue for them than the Trinity.

But that is way off topic except for the fact it does show that Mormonism is capable of change as it was in the decision to end polygamy and the decision to give the priesthood to blacks. There was also a time when birth control was frowned upon by Mormons. They will change if the bottom line is threatened as it was in the priesthood issue. There is some feeling they were threatened with loss of their tax exempt status because they discriminated against blacks. The other problem was trying to determine who was and wasn’t black in Latin America.
 
Being an ex mormon myself I know growing up that I was always teached that Blacks was cursed. I also was not allowed to date a black person.
As a young catholic boy, I was told the same by my father. 🙂 But perhaps it wasn’t catholic doctrine but highly discouraged.
 
They are already something else. Modern Mormonism is nowhere near what Joseph Smith “restored” or what Brigham Young preached.

I’m sure they’re both rolling in their graves.
Joseph Smith allowed blacks to hold the priesthood. In fact, blacks were always welcomed to attend lds meetings and become members. From the time of brigham young, they were not allowed to hold the priesthood but they were not barred from being members. Also, mormon churches were always desegregated which cannot be said for many other christian faiths at that time.

Also, mormons by and large are not racist. However, many catholics are and were racist in their attitudes toward black americans. I know because as a young catholic boy I heard a lot of racial slurs against blacks in my neighborhood and catholics were among the name throwers.
 
This is one of those touchy subjects with Mormons, kinda like polygamy. They don’t like the subject to be brought up.
Not true. I think that mormons like the subject to be brought up so they can respond to the questions asked. However, at the time that blacks were barred from holding the priesthood, I do not believe that many people who were not mormons brought up the subject at all. It was just accepted. Now, however, it has become one of the favorite ways to whip the lds church. But then again, show me a church with a perfect history. There are none.
 
Some one already answered this one partially.
I don’t automatically reply to everyone’s post. I pick and choose.
Christ was male and he chose only males.
Christ was also white, and He only chose Jews; so blacks and Gentiles are excluded. Right?
Further, in the OT, the priesthood was also limited to males.
It was also limited to the Levites; so non-Levites are excluded. Right?
It is not because women are unfit or unholy.
Perish the thought! It was not because blacks were unfit or unholy either.
Besides, doesn’t the LDS limit the priesthood to males as well?
Yes. And it also used to limit it to whites. And so?

zerinus
 
Mormonism is the most ridiculous religion out there. And yes, originally Mormons were racist, unlike the Catholic Church which has been ordaining people of other races since the beginning.
 
Mormonism is the most ridiculous religion out there. And yes, originally Mormons were racist, unlike the Catholic Church which has been ordaining people of other races since the beginning.
What religion isn’t ridiculous? When a non-catholic goes inside a catholic church and sees people lighting candles and praying infront of St Joseph or the Virgin Mary, it may also seem ridiculous. Or when a bishop wears the vestments during high mass complete with white and gold color, with a red beanie may also seem ridiculous to non-catholics. I can go on and on.

Point: ridiculous is often in the eye of the beholder.

Second point: by and large mormons are not racist. The lds church has always been a desegrated church even in the south. Also, blacks were never excluded from membership in the lds church. To be in Missouri during Joseph Smith time and have blacks and whites to worship together was a revolutionary, christian act. Most churches practiced segregation to my understanding.
 
Not true. I think that mormons like the subject to be brought up so they can respond to the questions asked. However, at the time that blacks were barred from holding the priesthood, I do not believe that many people who were not mormons brought up the subject at all. It was just accepted. Now, however, it has become one of the favorite ways to whip the lds church. But then again, show me a church with a perfect history. There are none.
That’s not exactly true. I can remember how I felt about the issue of Mormons and blacks prior to becoming a Mormon. It was the issue that kept me from becoming Mormon for two years. This was in the late 60’s when many schools wouldn’t play BYU in athletics because they didn’t allow blacks to become priesthood holders. The issue continued to be brought up whenever a Mormon president was interviewed by the news media. Every Mormon I knew was greatly relieved when the priesthood was finally extended to blacks in 1978. I’ll never forget reading the headline in the paper at my mother-in-law’s house the day after it happened. I had been a missionary to Venezuela and had to constantly deal with the idiocy of trying to figure out who might have black blood and who didn’t. Some elders had posters on the wall showing black characteristics – if a person had those characteristics they wouldn’t teach them even though they could just have easily been descendants of Italians and Native Americans! And then just before we baptized someone we had to teach a special lesson asking the family if they knew of any black ancestory. I can remember some Venezuelan members who constantly were telling us they didn’t have “the blood” even though they had priesthood. And I can remember one old white member telling me that it was ridiculous – according to him almost every native Venezuelan had “the blood.” This was supposedly inspired religion, but as a 20 year old I didn’t see through it at the time.
 
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