This is what I find the most amazing about Mormons on this site. My only exposure to them had been their frequent door knocking escapades in my area. But on this site, their refusal to apply the same *‘litmus test’ *to **their own **belief system that they seem to apply to everyone else, tells me a few things. One, they are ‘in fear’ of doing so for one reason or another, dis-fellowship, being ostracized, whatever, and Two, they are extremely programmed. wssup uses a trumped up *‘developed argument’ *(two small pages in relation to the whole history of the Church) of Papal Succession to prove the claim of ‘Apostasy’???.. And yet, yet…this same examination of the *‘historical facts’ *of the Catholic Church, which he finds ‘inadequate’, is not used on his own faith. The truth is, and this is so bizarre, when you really look at it, the history of the early Church including the Papal Succession, is more tangible, well documented, read and understood, studied, and there is more evidence, real hard evidence, in the existence of tombs, archaeological inscriptions, the lists of the Roman martyrs, writings and letters, as scant as *he *claims them to be, dialog and cross reference by other writers, and on and on, Yet, there is NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF JOSEPH SMITHS CLAIMS FOR WHAT HE SAW, WHAT HE WROTE, WHAT HE CLAIMED TO FIND, NO EVIDENCE FOR A WHOLE HISTORY OF A CIVILIZATION THAT HE PROCLAIMED TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE, NONE, NOT ONE SCRAP OF PAPER, INSCRIPTION, TOMB, EXTANT STORY OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN, NOTHING, AND YET, WSSUP USES THE FACT THAT FIRST CENTURY INFORMATION IS ‘INCOMPLETE’ TO PROVE HIS POINT???. WSSUP AND ZERINUS, SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE, EVEN ON THE SMALL SCALE OF CHURCH HISTORY THAT YOU REJECT, SHOW EVEN THAT LITTLE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE, AND I’LL BELIEVE YOU. WSSUP, YOU’RE A BLIND GUIDE. **USE THE SAME CRITERIA **THAT YOU USE ON EARLY CHURCH HISTORY ON YOUR OWN CHURCH AND TELL ME WHAT YOU FIND. You find, feelings…You want to judge historical evidence, judge your own. I’m still waiting for you to tell me how the ‘Catholic Church’ during and after Peter was a different chruch than the *‘your words’ *Early Church. I’m still waiting for the evidence, any, you can show me for all Joesph Smiths claims. You said you proved Apostasy, you showed hard evidence. All you’ve managed to do, was to show, was what real evidence the Catholic Church has, and how your church has absolutely none. Show me, and I’ll belive, otherwise, your just lier living a lie.