Mormons; why don't you have crosses in your churches?

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Zundrah said:
…Christian? Is it like catholicism or protestants? 🤷
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Zundrah said:
…is this a joke? What is a quaker? Is it another protestant denomination? I’m a methodist! 😃
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You do sound pretty juvenile—if not worse. The Quakers are a well-known Chritian movement older than Methodists, and many early colonizers of North America were Quakers. You can read more about them here.
 
dianaiad said:
What’s the difference between an 'un-programmed" Friend and a “programmed” one? Where can I go find out?

Diana
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“Un-programmed” Friends do not employ a “pastoral system”. We meet for worship each First Day on the basis of “silence”. Each of us prepares our hearts and minds to enter into worship, seeking the direction of the Lord. We “center down” and wait for the Lord to minister to us. Should the Spirit call on one of us to give “vocal ministry” we stand and offer that vocal ministry, by prayer, or “homily” or song. Sometimes many are led to offer ministry…other times the Meeting for Worship has no vocal ministry provided. We seek to join with one another and “speak to that of God” and listen to that “Still small Voice”.

“Programmed” meetings employ a pastoral system of worship. It is much like most Protestant services…except for a time of “silent worship” where any in the congregation can offer “vocal ministry” or prayer. There is usually an order of service. Most programmed meetings occur among the Evangelical Friends…they use “Friend’s Church” instead of “Friend’s Meeting.”
 
Publisher said:
I believe God was in Christ reconcilling the world to Himself. I believe the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. I believe the true Light, which enlighens every man lived among us and showed us what real love is. He loved completely and perfectly and because of that the forces of this world killed him. He now lives more surely than we do. In him is Light and Life, and it is offered freely to all mankind.

Some of us may be “like Mormons”…it depends on what you characterize Mormons as “being like”.🙂

We believe in “being at peace with all men as far as it depends on us”.

Some of us are very liberal in belief…some of us are middle of the road…some of us are very conservative. Some of us still speak in the “plain language” and wear “plain clothing”, some of us wear bright clothes…others of us wear conservative clothes.

Searching the web would be a good place to start…we believe on seeking the answers for ourselves instead of relying on others to tell us what to believe.
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Publisher, I am very glad to meet you. I would like to know what your beliefs are, or rather, what the basic beliefs of the Society of Friends are. Could you aim me at some sources that are 'Friend-ly?"
 
zerinus said:
You do sound pretty juvenile—if not worse. The Quakers are a well-known Chritian movement older than Methodists, and many early colonizers of North America were Quakers. You can read more about them here.
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You do sound pretty juvenile—if not worse.
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What are you saying Zerius!? :snowing:
 
Publisher said:
“Un-programmed” Friends do not employ a “pastoral system”. We meet for worship each First Day on the basis of “silence”. Each of us prepares our hearts and minds to enter into worship, seeking the direction of the Lord. We “center down” and wait for the Lord to minister to us. Should the Spirit call on one of us to give “vocal ministry” we stand and offer that vocal ministry, by prayer, or “homily” or song. Sometimes many are led to offer ministry…other times the Meeting for Worship has no vocal ministry provided. We seek to join with one another and “speak to that of God” and listen to that “Still small Voice”.

“Programmed” meetings employ a pastoral system of worship. It is much like most Protestant services…except for a time of “silent worship” where any in the congregation can offer “vocal ministry” or prayer. There is usually an order of service. Most programmed meetings occur among the Evangelical Friends…they use “Friend’s Church” instead of “Friend’s Meeting.”
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Thank you…somewhat like our own 'Fast and Testimony" meeting, then…except that our meeting is probably more restrictive, and it’s only once a month. I love best the times when there actually IS silence, where everyone is actually paying attention to the spirit of the Lord.
 
ZERIUS;

I have never heard of quakers, you must remember Zerius that I have only been a christian now for about one year and about 8 months… This is all so much to take in! I was an athiest my whole life with absolutely NO christian upbringing…
 
Zundrah said:
ZERIUS;

I have never heard of quakers, you must remember Zerius that I have only been a christian now for about one year and about 8 months… This is all so much to take in! I was an athiest my whole life with absolutely NO christian upbringing…
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Its a shame they don’t give American history to Britons. You can’t get through colonial history without at least hearing the term Quaker. President Nixon I believe is the last well known Quaker.
 
dianaiad said:
Mormons have a two fold reaction to the cross; on one hand, we do see it as a depiction of His execution, and would rather concentrate on the entire accomplishment of the Atonement; the cross surmounted. On the other, because we do NOT use it every day, or display it on our walls, homes and persons, every time we do see one, it is a shock; we are brought immediately to the reality of His suffering; it is fresh and meaningful. It is, in other words, too sacred for us to use as an accessory.

So we don’t. This does not mean that everybody who does display the cross, or wear them as earrings or necklaces is somehow disrespectful or evil; it does not. It simply means that we have different ideas of how to deal with it.
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I understand what you are saying, but the problem I have is that when I was LDS, I was told not to wear or display a crucifix/cross period. Especially when living in Provo, Utah it is hard to be “shocked” by something you will never basically see. I never really even understood what crucifixion was or what Our Lord must have endured UNTIL I really studied it and then my appreciation for His sacrifice grew a million times over. Now I proudly wear a crucifix 24/7. 👍
 
aquabatix said:
I understand what you are saying, but the problem I have is that when I was LDS, I was told not to wear or display a crucifix/cross period. Especially when living in Provo, Utah it is hard to be “shocked” by something you will never basically see. I never really even understood what crucifixion was or what Our Lord must have endured UNTIL I really studied it and then my appreciation for His sacrifice grew a million times over. Now I proudly wear a crucifix 24/7. 👍
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You must have lived in a Provo I don’t recognize, if you never saw a cross anywhere.
 
ParkerD said:
Javise01,
You could ask lots of questions by going to mormon.org and asking whatever questions you have. Some LDS (Mormon) posters here have answered a lot of questions, and you can actually pull up the answers by clicking on the person’s name and then clicking on the option of selecting all of their posts. I hope you will give your friend the benefit of the doubt when you hear strange things, many of which are not true or are not explained well. Everything Mormonism teaches is Biblically based, though some teachings are hidden in the Bible.
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Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where John Smith is mentioned in the Holy Bible, or the book of Mormon? Exactly when was Jesus, the Christ, on the North American continent? I missed that in the Bible too. Just looking for info. :confused::confused:
 
javise01 said:
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where John Smith is mentioned in the Holy Bible, or the book of Mormon? Exactly when was Jesus, the Christ, on the North American continent? I missed that in the Bible too. Just looking for info. :confused::confused:
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Actually, John Smith is most memorably mentioned in song in Disney’s version of “Pocahontas.” (who can forget “Colors of the Wind?”)

As to Joseph Smith, he isn’t mentioned in the bible either, by name. Of course, Paul (who used to be Saul), Peter, Mark et. al were not mentioned by name in the Old Testament, either. I guess according to your logic, we have to throw everything they had to say out, as well, yes?

As to when Jesus was on the North American Continent, that event is chronicled in the Book of Mormon; it happened right after His resurrection. it would not be mentioned in the bible, seeing that the folks who wrote the bible lived in Israel and Rome, and were rather unaware that the Americas even existed.

Does that ease your confusion?

Diana
 
javise01 said:
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where John Smith is mentioned in the Holy Bible, or the book of Mormon? Exactly when was Jesus, the Christ, on the North American continent? I missed that in the Bible too. Just looking for info. :confused::confused:
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The Book of Mormon is a work of fiction compiled most likely over the 6-7 years between Jsmiths alleged “first vision” account (he changed his version of this ‘first vision’ several times BTW)

I would encourage you to go to www.UTLM.org to get the Truth about Mormonism you sadly will not find in the LDS posters here.
God Bless!
 
Ifany one is looking info on Morrmon faith Frnk Duff wrote a small little atricle about 20 page on it it is very interesting you can get it from Legion of Mary
 
In the book of mormon it says that even if you are not baptized you do not indefinately go to hell… So… the fact that they say that our baptisms’ are not real baptism’s shouldn’t matter even if you believe them.

lol - Just to cover that up.
 
javise01 said:
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where John Smith is mentioned in the Holy Bible, or the book of Mormon? Exactly when was Jesus, the Christ, on the North American continent? I missed that in the Bible too. Just looking for info. :confused::confused:
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Javise01,
I hope you are having a good day. If we had the writings of Joseph, son of Jacob (Israel), within the Old Testament, then we would know that he actually prophesied about a later Joseph who would be important to his posterity. Joseph was the father of Ephraim and Manasseh, and the Nephites and Lamanites were descended partly from an ancestor of the tribe of Manasseh.

What the Book of Mormon shows by describing the appearance of Jesus Christ to 2,500 people somewhere in the Americas, is that Christ is God of the whole earth, and that His promise that the entire House of Israel was a covenant people and had been scattered to all parts of the earth and was always considered part of the mission of the Savior, is shown by an actual event rather than just by the prophecies in the Old Testament. Who knows, someday we may read about His appearing to others of the House of Israel also. It would have depended on the people’s righteousness and preparation for that to happen, but in any case everything that has ever happened anywhere in the world is not necessarily written up in history books, as you would know.🙂

Have a good day.
 
ParkerD said:
Javise01,
I hope you are having a good day. If we had the writings of Joseph, son of Jacob (Israel), within the Old Testament, then we would know that he actually prophesied about a later Joseph who would be important to his posterity. Joseph was the father of Ephraim and Manasseh, and the Nephites and Lamanites were descended partly from an ancestor of the tribe of Manasseh.

What the Book of Mormon shows by describing the appearance of Jesus Christ to 2,500 people somewhere in the Americas, is that Christ is God of the whole earth, and that His promise that the entire House of Israel was a covenant people and had been scattered to all parts of the earth and was always considered part of the mission of the Savior, is shown by an actual event rather than just by the prophecies in the Old Testament. Who knows, someday we may read about His appearing to others of the House of Israel also. It would have depended on the people’s righteousness and preparation for that to happen, but in any case everything that has ever happened anywhere in the world is not necessarily written up in history books, as you would know.🙂

Have a good day.
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Thank you ParkerD, I am having a wonderful day. I hope you are as well.

Yes, Christ is the Savior of the whole world!! And, yes, those of the House of Israel were
scattered by God’s design because they refused to follow Him. Of course, everything is not written in history books.
My issue is that NOTHING my friend is claiming is written anywhere in this entire collection of books know as the Holy Bible. But then there’s this other book, the book of Mormon, that contains all of this information that nobody seems to have but, the Mormons. It is not my intention to insult you, however, I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that suddenly, a man has a vision and decides that he needs to become the head of a new church. The last time that happened that I am aware of was when God our Father, sent his son Christ. It wasn’t a vision that Christ had, He was sent by God. The Word made Flesh via the Holy Spirit and through the Virgin Mary. What would give an ordinary man the idea that he is now somehow on the same level as Christ?
I’m also stumped by the idea that things about the Momon ideas are “hidden” in the Holy Bible. While my friend says that, she also refuses to read actual passages and accept things that are not hidden in the Holy Bible. On the other hand, she quotes Matt 23 and reads that most literally. Why is it that she can only quote that one passage and believes that the rest of her beliefs are “hidden” in the Bible and that all other religions are wrong for reading all the things that are written around that “hidden” text.
Enlighten me ParkerD. I really want to understand.
 
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