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For one part of the hypothesis I presented, read “The Man who Led Columbus to America” by Handley. It is a nice little non-threatening book that I hope will soon be in paperback reprint. Catholic Encyclopedia has a nice little article on St. Brendan the Navigator.

The other part waits DNA proof.

Personally, I choose to not talk to LDS missionaries. However, should you choose to, enter into it well-equipped.
 
During my 3 plus years at BYU, the Mormons I knew really didn’t want to have a mutual exchange of ideas, it was all one sided. They wanted to tell me about their religion, but didn’t want to know about Catholicism. They had plenty of bible verses against it, mind you, and historical facts to denegrate it, but as far as respectfully listening to me as I had listened to them, no way. That was 20 some years ago…maybe things have changed.
 
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susi75:
Has anyone out there had experience in dealing with Mormons? I want to be nice, but their doctrines are very strange and I know they hate the Catholic Church.
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I am a Mormon, and I am married to a Catholic, so I have been attending both churches for many years. Some of my six children are married to Catholics and my daughter has one son who is a Mormon priest(17 years old) and one son who is a Catholic alterboy (12 years old). I do not know who told you Mormons hate Catholics, but they were wrong. My husband’s parish even gave honor and recognition to a Mormon family who owns the local mortuary and has been planning the funerals of all the Catholics in this parish for over 30 years. Mormons and Catholics in our city, and others all over the world work together for humanitarian efforts constantly. There may have been people in the early Mormon church who misinterpreted the scripture to mean Catholics in referring to the abominable church, but in modern times this is not true. There were many predjudices and judgements in the 1800s and up until 1960s, if you see how our country treated other cultures, you can see how people judged others with no reason. That is just how people were then(and some are still)
We believe that the Catholic Church has been a force in the world for keeping people on the path of Christianity and that is a very good thing. Both the Catholic church and the Mormon church believe that they are the one and only Churches with the complete truth, all churches have part of the truth. So basically these two are the only two who make that claim.
Don’t listen to hatemongers, listen to your heart. LDS people are the same as Catholic people, there are good and bad and any human failing you can describe can be found in Mormons as well as Catholics. Human frailty is found in every religion, so you can’t take what one person says as the absolute binding truth about Mormons or Catholics.
🙂 BJ
 
BJ is correct. Mormons do not hate Catholics. I have a very good friend who happens to be Mormon. We made a pact many years ago that neither one of us would ever try to “convert” the other. We respect each other. On the other hand, her husband has told me that I am o.k. for now (being Catholic) but would change my mind in the spirit world and become Mormon. Since I believe that there is NO religion in the next world, what he says I take with a grain of salt, and simply answer, “not a chance”. As Catholic christians, we believe that there are no more chances on the other side. We better make our good decisions here on earth. Some say, you have “purgatory”. Purgatory is simply a place of cleansing before we are taken to heaven. When we die, if we go to Purgatory, we will eventually be in heaven. If when we die, we go to hell, that is where we stay, no “chance” to get out.

When I say no religion, I mean that we will all be one in our love of God and each other. Religion (Catholic, Mormon, Methodist, etc.)is a tool that Jesus gave us to use here on earth so that we may reach heaven and live in constant joy in adoration of God, in the presence of Mary and all the Saints, along with being re-united with our friends and family. Catholics say that Jesus gave all of us the “Catholic” faith to use to live our lives so that we may enjoy heaven. Mormons say that the “Catholic” church went astray and God gave the world the Mormon way to their 3 spirit worlds, etc.

I have come in contact with Mormons (those with a Temple Recommend) who feel very superior to Catholics and even to other Mormons who have not lived a life worthy enough to go to the Temple. I also know Catholics who feel “superior” to others, for whatever “human” reason. (Maybe they have time to pray the Rosary 3 x a day, etc.)

Bottom line, we must practice our Catholic faith in such a way as to be good examples to everyone of all faiths, christian and non christian, or no faith at all. Light “one little candle”…

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, pray for us.
 
My best advice is to learn your faith! Learn it well! It does no goo to try and talk to anyone from another religion if you don’t know what it is you believe. Once you’ve got that down, then I would suggest learning about the LDS faith. And I suggest doing so from both pro-LDS sources and non-LDS sources. That way you can receive both sides. And always remember to use charity.
 
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Has anyone out there had experience in dealing with Mormons? I want to be nice, but their doctrines are very strange and I know they hate the Catholic Church.
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LDS do not hate the Catholic Church. LDS are taught to respect all faith traditions and for the most part, they follow those teachings. Most of my family, many co-workers and quite a few of my friends are LDS, and none have ever said anything negative or acted negatively toward me or my Catholic faith.
 
I don’t believe that anybody LDS hates Catholics. I married a mormon, who now converted ( he was never very active, though ). I always found the members of the LDS to be very polite, friendly, oftentimes a lot more considerate and tolerant towards my faith than some of our “nondenominational” brothers and sisters. They always seemed to respect my statement “I’m Catholic, and that’s not going to change “. My best friend is Mormon, and she’s going to church more often because we talk about our faiths to each other. We help each other. There’s a lot of similarities when it comes to the love of Christ. I don’t understand most of their doctrines, and I found it to be an outright lie, when I went to Salt Lake City temple Square last week. There was a plaque claiming that Jesus through Aaron imposed on the men the priesthood so that the men could baptize people to forgive them their original sin. So far, ok…But then the lie: Since that hasn’t been done until the end of the 18th century, until Joseph Smith. I was like"say what? What have the Catholic priests been doing for the last 1800 years???” So, that struck me as odd. There were a lot of ( I’m assuming here…) nondenominational protesters there, that would literally verbally attack people going toward the temple area with” are you one of THEM?" I answered, “oh no, I’m Catholic”, after which they said “oh yeah, THAT’S better” I didn’t care much for that tone, but anyway. I’ve had missionaries over for dinner before, I thought they were quite nice and good company. Never did they try to impose their faith upon me. We all need to work for more understanding and tolerance and get rid of these prejudices. Who knows who’s right? Every religion thinks they’re the only ones doing everything right( I mean, I KNOW ours does…😉 ), but seriously. I keep praying for all of them, it’s easier and healthier than to keep distrust and even hate in your heart. Bless you all!
 
My daughter and I visited the Temple and the square and we went as Catholics happy to see somethng important to the Mormons. We had to leave because the mormons kept accosting us every 3 steps trying to engage us in conversations about their religion. At first I politely explained that we are Catholic and just visiters. Immediately another would come until I just ignored them and walked away fast. If they had left us alone, we could have learned more but by bombarding us we felt very uncomforable especially my daughter.

There is a beautiful Catholic Church nearby Cathedral of the Madeleine and we spent a great deal of time there in peace.
 
Last week my husband and I attended week day mass at the Cathederal of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. We were in Salt Lake for the funeral of my hubands uncle. (LDS) The Cathedral was beautiful and my ex-LDS husband wanted to attend mass and recieve communion before attending the funeral service. Before the funeral service, my husband told his relatives that he is now Catholic. Since they are not practicing LDS, none seemed very upset. His relatives are great.

Love and peace
 
My girlfriend just turned moron, I mean mormon. Her and I are at the edge of breaking up due to our difference in the beliefs. I’m Catholic, born and raised. I’ve told her straight up and the missionaries that “showed” her the “truth” that I DON’T BELIEVE in mormonism or Joseph Smith. I told them in their face. I don’t feel that she wants me to go mormon and be Catholic at the same time. I told her no, cause I feel like I’m betraying my religion. I DON’T believe in their 3 layers of Heaven or their “dark room”(hell). I strongely believe that there is a Heaven and a Hell and that is it. She knows that I’m hard headed…black and white;meat and potatoe type of guy.

I don’t know either to break up and let her go her mormon way or try to work it out. She has mentioned that she wants to get married in the Temple and I told her that I don’t want to. I also told her that I don’t need to get married in a church, but I will not get married in a temple.

Catholic churches does allow ANYONE to come and see the wedding if in a church, regardless of your religion. The LDS,ONLY allows, “MEMBERS” to go INTO the temple. I think that is *********.

When her missionaires come by we have to pretend that we are not dating cause her church says that we ARE NOT ALLOWED because I’m catholic. The stuff that she has told me, makes me feel that the mormon church is nothing more then a CULT.

I never heard that a practicing Catholic is not suppose to have the opposite gender, if single, past 9pm at their house. She has told me that her religion doesn’t allow that. If this is true or not, let me know. On both religions.

Can anyone give me advice or has anyone been through this and what I should I do? Ever since she has joined this religion our relationship has gone down hill and it is not stoping. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Also, what questions should I asked the missionaries ,or the mormon church itself, when they start talking about their religion, cause honestly I don’t care, nor do I want to listen. So, if there is any smart-*****, but serious, question(s) that i can ask, that you know will stop them in their tracks, please let me know. I’m tired of saying “Look, I don’t CARE!”…I have my religion and thats-that".

Well, I keep in touch and let ya’ll know what has happen or happening. Please, don’t forget to answer/ give advice for/to me. This is highly appreciated- TheLastOne
 
Break up with her immediately, and never look back. If she has fallen for the Mormon cult, she is emotionally unbalanced and will bring you nothing but heartache. She will always be loyal to the cult, and not to you. The Mormon missionaries are the sort St Paul warned about:
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
-2 Tim 3:6
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The Mormons are in the business of breaking up families. The certainly destroyed mine. Don’t let them do it to you.

Paul (a former Mormon, now Catholic)
 
Although I should point out that my dear husband married me… I was Mormon, He, a life-long Catholic. It took me a few years, but I wasn’t a great Mormon to begin with and I agreed to go to church with him.
The blinders fell off and now I’m a Born-Again Catholic. Explain that one to me! LOL

in Christ
Steph
 
tundramom said:
Although I should point out that my dear husband married me… I was Mormon, He, a life-long Catholic. It took me a few years, but I wasn’t a great Mormon to begin with and I agreed to go to church with him.
The blinders fell off and now I’m a Born-Again Catholic. Explain that one to me! LOL

in Christ
Steph
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Explain how your “blinds” had fallen off from your views and how should i go about this?. What should I do, in order to make her understand, or do I just let her find out later in her mormon life? How would I go about handling this without annoying her or making her irritated by this subject when asked or brought up?

TheLastOne
 
We all know that feeling when it’s over. Well, I KNOW that feeling real well and I’m at that sense. If I was going to go through and break up with her and I know she could careless;because we both know that we don’t need any dependency from anyone. What should I say to her to make her think about where we are at and the outcome of what can happen? Any thing will help…thanks,

TheLastOne
 
Hi “TheLastOne”,
I spent a few years going to church with my husband and I would pick through the Apostle’s Creed as it was being said. I stubbornly sat in the pew as others knelt before the Consecration. I was smug! Finally it took a Baptist friend about two full years of listening to me and although he didn’t know anything about Mormonism, he was very patient and kind with me and when we had these discussions, all through email, he would point out where in the Bible it said this or that and how illogical the Mormon church was.
I came to the point where I had to say, “I just don’t get it!” I couldn’t explain the Trinity, which was the major stumbling block for me… and one night I prayed for God to show me which way to go. I opened up the Bible and read Proverbs 2:1-5. It basically said, “If you accept my words and search for it (wisdom) as for hidden treasure then you will find the knowledge of God”. I had been searching and searching and trying to figure it out and at that moment I knew I just needed to give up and give myself over to Jesus. That was my born-again experience and I spent the next couple of years straddling the Assembly of God and the Catholic church. Then finally it was almost the same thing… a giving up of my own understanding and giving myself over to Jesus in the Eucharist. The final straw was my old AoG pastor holding up their communion bread and saying, “we could do this with a snickers bar and a coke and it would be the same thing”. He was right! Where could I go to get that reverence of communion? That attitude could only be found in the belief in Transubstantiation and the Eucharist.

in Christ
Steph
 
Also, remember that if you try to use logic to argue with her that she will rely on her own feelings. That’s what Mormons teach you to do. Rely on that “burning in the bosom”.

in Christ
Steph
 
Thanks for your advice and sharing your views. The past two days has been really interesting. Her and I have not actually sat down and talked. When we do talk over the phone it’s very brief and I’m annoyed just by listening to her talk about some random subject. After church today, i called her back-cause she called me when I was at mass, and I wasn’t going to answer-anyway, she told me that one of her friends from seattle was going with her to her church…I forgot the girls name…anyway, she asked me “If I were mad, that her friend was coming to her church?”…I replied simply by saying “No, It’s YOUR church…I don’t care.” Then she said that some other useless stuff and that WAS the LAST time I heard from her. That was at 1230pm (Sunday) yesterday afternoon. I called her around 945pm and of course-surpise-surpise, no answer. I know in my heart that it is over. I want to write her a letter explaining how I feel and how I believe she has sucked into a cult(which,I believe,that’s what the mormon church really is). Obviously, she doesn’t care or else she would be calling, right? Oh well, she isn’t my first girlfriend nor will she be my last. Well, I appreciate all the advice that everyone has given me…which is like two people…If, by the grace of God, she comes to her senses, I’ll let ya’ll know and if not, I’ll still let ya’ll know.

Thanks,

TheLastOne
 
Seems I’m posting this link a lot. truthinlovetomormons.com/site_map.htm

This is by far the best information about the LDS available. Not because of the thoroughness of the material, and it is thorough, but because of the spirit in which it is presented. LOVE
I read the book several years ago and now the author, a Lutheran pastor (but don’t let that put you off) has added more material to his original writing and made a website.
Anyone who MIGHT have an encounter with an LDS, especially a “missionary,” would be well advised to be familiar with this information.

Peace,
+Nathan
 
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