Mortal sin and not knowing

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Ok, so I know that in order for a sin to be mortal, one must recognize what they are doing is wrong. But, what if someone commits a mortal sin, but does not know it is a mortal sin ( such as having sexual intercourse, etc.). Wouldn’t that still be considered a mortal sin? I just don’t get that one must know it is wrong, because a lot of times people do wrong things but they probably think it isn’t wrong.
 
Ok, so I know that in order for a sin to be mortal, one must recognize what they are doing is wrong. But, what if someone commits a mortal sin, but does not know it is a mortal sin ( such as having sexual intercourse, etc.). Wouldn’t that still be considered a mortal sin? I just don’t get that one must know it is wrong, because a lot of times people do wrong things but they probably think it isn’t wrong.
No. In order for a sin to be mortal, it must be deliberate. For example, a child raised in a non-Christian home who masturbates regularly is not committing a sin if he has never been told that such behavior is inappropriate. Likewise, premarital sex is not a sin if the individuals were unaware that the intercourse was offensive to God.

If you accidentally break a friend’s best piece of china, she’s unlikely to feel anger; after all, we are all clumsy from time to time. Likewise, God does not punish us for “accidental” sins. On the other hand, if you deliberately smash your friend’s dish, she’s likely to be angry indeed. Similarly, God is offended when we deliberately ignore his wishes and act without regard for his commandments.

Hope that helps.
 
if what you are saying is true, than those people go to Heaven even though they are committing a mortal sin ?
 
Yes, they will go to heaven because they did not commit a mortal sin because they were not aware that it was a mortal sin. You cannot be held accountable for what you do not know. It might sound silly to us practicing Catholics that anyone would think it is not a sin but we take it for granted that these things have been taught to us and revealed to us. There are many people out there (especially confused teens) that really have no clue. If they go by what society tells them then how would they know it’s a sin?

“For those of us who have been given much, much will be asked and for those who have been given little, little will be asked.”
 
if what you are saying is true, than those people go to Heaven even though they are committing a mortal sin ?
As to whether or not they go to heaven, that depends on a lot, but they won’t be condemned to hell for something less than a mortal (or original) sin.
From the Catechism
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
IV. THE GRAVITY OF SIN: MORTAL AND VENIAL SIN

1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

1856 Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us - that is, charity - necessitates a new initiative of God’s mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation:

When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery. . . . But when the sinner’s will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.130
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

**1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
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**1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
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1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1862 One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent.

1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. "Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness."134

While he is in the flesh, man cannot help but have at least some light sins. But do not despise these sins which we call “light”: if you take them for light when you weigh them, tremble when you count them. A number of light objects makes a great mass; a number of drops fills a river; a number of grains makes a heap. What then is our hope? Above all, confession.135
1864 "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."136 There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit.137 Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
 
Ok, so I know that in order for a sin to be mortal, one must recognize what they are doing is wrong. But, what if someone commits a mortal sin, but does not know it is a mortal sin ( such as having sexual intercourse, etc.). Wouldn’t that still be considered a mortal sin? I just don’t get that one must know it is wrong, because a lot of times people do wrong things but they probably think it isn’t wrong.
The other posters have given you the answers to when a sin of grave matter becomes a mortal sin or stays a venial sin.

However, just a comment on somebody saying they don’t know something is wrong.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that any Catholic does not know that sex outside marriage, abortion (murder), contraception, homosexuality, theft, etc is wrong. How can a Catholic think any of the aforementioned are not wrong. If they told me they didn’t know such things were wrong I would not believe them.
 
Ok, so I know that in order for a sin to be mortal, one must recognize what they are doing is wrong. But, what if someone commits a mortal sin, but does not know it is a mortal sin ( such as having sexual intercourse, etc.). Wouldn’t that still be considered a mortal sin? I just don’t get that one must know it is wrong, because a lot of times people do wrong things but they probably think it isn’t wrong.
Objectively, all human sin is a moral evil – has evil effects on the actor’s character and often others. But all moral evil is not a sin. Whether or not a moral evil is also a sin depends on subjective information: the actor’s (or subject’s) knowledge and intent. This subjective information is unique to each individual and, therefore, knowable to only the individual and God who knows each of us better than we know ourselves.

Beyond the immoral act itself and its possible sinfulness, it is also a moral evil not to form one’s conscience according to the inner voice which we all experience when faced with a moral choice. This willful ignorance may be sinful if the subject (the actor) hears but repeatedly wills to ignore this voice of conscience which we call grace.
 
Ok, so I know that in order for a sin to be mortal, one must recognize what they are doing is wrong. But, what if someone commits a mortal sin, but does not know it is a mortal sin ( such as having sexual intercourse, etc.). Wouldn’t that still be considered a mortal sin? I just don’t get that one must know it is wrong, because a lot of times people do wrong things but they probably think it isn’t wrong.
Compendium of the Catechism:
  1. When does one commit a mortal sin?
1855-1861
1874

One commits a mortal sin when there are simultaneously present: grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent. This sin destroys charity in us, deprives us of sanctifying grace, and, if unrepented, leads us to the eternal death of hell. It can be forgiven in the ordinary way by means of the sacraments of Baptism and of Penance or Reconciliation.
  1. When does one commit a venial sin?
1862-1864
1875

One commits a venial sin, which is essentially different from a mortal sin, when the matter involved is less serious or, even if it is grave, when full knowledge or complete consent are absent. Venial sin does not break the covenant with God but it weakens charity and manifests a disordered affection for created goods. It impedes the progress of a soul in the exercise of the virtues and in the practice of moral good. It merits temporal punishment which purifies.

So in what you describe…

It is objectively a grave matter. And is gravely wrong…and can never be good. And is harmful to the person in a number of respects…even if the person is not guilty of mortal sin…

The person may or may not have committed a mortal sin. It depends on the person in this case… or it may be a venial sin…etc

Some things are known to be serious via natural moral law…like murder…adultery…etc so a person who does not even use the term or know the term ‘mortal sin’ can still commit one…(but again it can still be the case that the person does not really know for far as for mortal sin…their conscience has been blinded by their culture…their parents…etc…God is the judge…)

One can see something of this idea in Romans…

“14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.” (Paul Letter to the Romans 2)

But having said this… a mortal sin still requires the full knowledge (even without the term mortal sin or grave matter) and the deliberate consent …complete consent.

Of course a Catholic Christian will know generally these things…🙂 they will know murder and fornication…large theft etc…are serious…

And as to the salvation question…we are saved by Jesus Christ…we are saved by Faith and Baptism etc…

even though it is possible for those who do know know Him and his Church etc…to be saved by Him …if they are saved they are saved by Jesus Christ…even in a way we may not understand or see…

but this is not the ordinary way…we must proclaim Christ!
 
The other posters have given you the answers to when a sin of grave matter becomes a mortal sin or stays a venial sin.

However, just a comment on somebody saying they don’t know something is wrong.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that any Catholic does not know that sex outside marriage, abortion (murder), contraception, homosexuality, theft, etc is wrong. How can a Catholic think any of the aforementioned are not wrong. If they told me they didn’t know such things were wrong I would not believe them.
I’m not certain we are speaking about just Catholics. Based on the initial question, I assumed we were speaking about individuals in general, regardless of faith. It is quite possible for non-Catholics (and non-Christians) to be unaware of the sinfulness of certain acts.
 
I find it very hard to believe that people who sin, or commit mortal sins will go to Heaven. Even if someone does not know it is mortal, they don’t have a good relationship with God, so I don’t get how they would go to Heaven? Doesn’t make sense to me. That’s a very easy way out for those people. …just stay ignorant ??
 
I find it very hard to believe that people who sin, or commit mortal sins will go to Heaven. Even if someone does not know it is mortal, they don’t have a good relationship with God, so I don’t get how they would go to Heaven? Doesn’t make sense to me. That’s a very easy way out for those people. …just stay ignorant ??
Or how about go to confession?
 
I find it very hard to believe that people who sin, or commit mortal sins will go to Heaven. Even if someone does not know it is mortal, they don’t have a good relationship with God, so I don’t get how they would go to Heaven? Doesn’t make sense to me. That’s a very easy way out for those people. …just stay ignorant ??
Ignorance is not bliss. Take my brother for example… he isn’t a Christian and doesn’t know very much about God at all. He wouldn’t know a “mortal” sin if it hit him in the head. Oh, the biggies for sure like thou shall not murder, or lie or steal… but masturbation or missing mass on Sunday? He hasn’t a clue those things are wrong. So for him, they aren’t mortal sins.

Sounds like the easy way out, doesn’t it?

Wrong. He also doesn’t know how to pray. He doesn’t know he can go to God for help… and ask for forgiveness when he falls short. He isn’t part of a Christian community… doesn’t hear homilies about how much God loves him. When he looks at a crucifix he feels…nothing. How sad is that?

Will he go to heaven? I have no idea. He hasn’t been baptized… he doesn’t trust in God… doesn’t even know Him at all. Not sure he’s bothered to look for Him either. He says he’s seen enough examples of BAD Christians to know they don’t have anything he needs. So I don’t know… I pray for him. I would never in a million years say he has the easy way out.
 
Ignorance is not bliss. Take my brother for example… he isn’t a Christian and doesn’t know very much about God at all. He wouldn’t know a “mortal” sin if it hit him in the head. Oh, the biggies for sure like thou shall not murder, or lie or steal… but masturbation or missing mass on Sunday? He hasn’t a clue those things are wrong. So for him, they aren’t mortal sins.

Sounds like the easy way out, doesn’t it?

Wrong. He also doesn’t know how to pray. He doesn’t know he can go to God for help… and ask for forgiveness when he falls short. He isn’t part of a Christian community… doesn’t hear homilies about how much God loves him. When he looks at a crucifix he feels…nothing. How sad is that?

Will he go to heaven? I have no idea. He hasn’t been baptized… he doesn’t trust in God… doesn’t even know Him at all. Not sure he’s bothered to look for Him either. He says he’s seen enough examples of BAD Christians to know they don’t have anything he needs. So I don’t know… I pray for him. I would never in a million years say he has the easy way out.
Sorry, I guess I used the wrong words. But, at the same time, he has the ability to try getting to know God but chooses not to. I mean I don’;t know, because I am not in that position. I just see so many people do wrong things , and to say that they aren’t sinning and would go to Heaven is weird to me, that’s all.

My question would probably be, if someone does not commit a mortal sin, would they still go to Heaven??
 
My question would probably be, if someone does not commit a mortal sin, would they still go to Heaven??
And as to the salvation question…we are saved by Jesus Christ…we are saved by Faith and Baptism etc…

even though it is possible for those who do know know Him and his Church etc…to be saved by Him …if they are saved they are saved by Jesus Christ…even in a way we may not understand or see…

but this is not the ordinary way…we must proclaim Christ!
 
Sorry, I guess I used the wrong words. But, at the same time, he has the ability to try getting to know God but chooses not to. I mean I don’;t know, because I am not in that position. I just see so many people do wrong things , and to say that they aren’t sinning and would go to Heaven is weird to me, that’s all.

My question would probably be, if someone does not commit a mortal sin, would they still go to Heaven??
God’s mercy is to much for us to understand. He will not held you accountable for what you do if you dont know the savarity of it. It is like a 3 year old child who wants a piece of candy in the store and just takes it. Will God punish this 3 year old child? No becuase this child does not know what he is doing. The same with any age. If they seriously dont know what they are doing then it is not a mortal sin. If a non christian kid masturbates and if he doesn’t know that is a sin then it is not a mortal sin. It does not mean that what he did good it is still a grave sin but not mortal. Only God really knows what is a mortal sin and what is not. He judges our hearts and the curcumstances of the situation.

Peace and Good will brothers!!!
 
Sorry, I guess I used the wrong words. But, at the same time, he has the ability to try getting to know God but chooses not to. I mean I don’;t know, because I am not in that position. I just see so many people do wrong things , and to say that they aren’t sinning and would go to Heaven is weird to me, that’s all.

My question would probably be, if someone does not commit a mortal sin, would they still go to Heaven??
I agree with you… it’s hard to understand why some people seem to get a free pass and the rest of us who KNOW about sin are held accountable to a much higher standard.

I guess what I would say is we can’t assume that God WILL save those people… like my brother for example. You are right - he has had every opportunity to get to know God and has chosen not to… I wouldn’t want to be him on judgement day. Because although God is merciful and just… it just seems like such a gamble. I would MUCH rather know which sins are mortal, not commit them, or ask for forgiveness when I fail. I don’t presume I’m going to heaven… but I don’t worry about it either. I can’t imagine my brother, when faced with death will have that same peace?

We cannot know whom God will save. Who are we to say? We are all held accountable for what we know… and He knows our hearts. That’s good enough for me… 🤷
 
Ok, so I know that in order for a sin to be mortal, one must recognize what they are doing is wrong. But, what if someone commits a mortal sin, but does not know it is a mortal sin ( such as having sexual intercourse, etc.). Wouldn’t that still be considered a mortal sin? I just don’t get that one must know it is wrong, because a lot of times people do wrong things but they probably think it isn’t wrong.
No, it is grave matter though (not venial). It’s still a very problematic state for the individual to be in, but it does not necessarly seperate the individaul from God. It still needs to be confessed though, particularly when the individuals contience comes to realize the magnitude of the sin.
 
No. In order for a sin to be mortal, it must be deliberate. For example, a child raised in a non-Christian home who masturbates regularly is not committing a sin if he has never been told that such behavior is inappropriate. Likewise, premarital sex is not a sin if the individuals were unaware that the intercourse was offensive to God.

Hope that helps.
Sorry, but I think that’s ridiculous! If that’s really true, then that confirms my nagging feeling that I wish I was born somewhere/something else besides Catholic. How is that right where people ignorant can masturbate and not have to sit through Church while I have to? How does that make ANY sense at all!?
 
Sorry, but I think that’s ridiculous! If that’s really true, then that confirms my nagging feeling that I wish I was born somewhere/something else besides Catholic. How is that right where people ignorant can masturbate and not have to sit through Church while I have to? How does that make ANY sense at all!?
even if the person is not guilty of a mortal sin in this case…it is still harmful to the person…such as increasing selfishness etc…

it still remains grave and is very harmful …

of course also see my previous posts for a person can still know via natural law…
 
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