Mortal Sin and the Ten Commandments

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Bookcat said:
Yes of course it “we” are examine “our” conscience and “confess” any and all mortal sins (hopefully none!). So yes the confessor is not a mind reader. And yes it is thus not the sole responsibility of the confessor.

But I think the OP may have meant that it is not up to “you or I” to say if Joe committed a mortal sin …that would be for Joe and his confessor to judge. I think that is what the other person was getting at there.
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1 John 5:16 John presumes, in that passage, one can determine what is and is not a mortal sin, not only in our self but others as well
 
Bookcat said:
We can rather more easily see what is not mortal on another yes (light matters).
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John presumes we can also see another committing a mortal sin as well, otherwise his instruction makes no sense.
 
steve_b said:
John presumes we can also see another committing a mortal sin as well, otherwise his instruction makes no sense.
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One can speak of the objective nature of the action. That one can readily see.

They though may not be culpable fully. That the person judges, the Priest…and of course God.
 
steve_b said:
Example: Keep holy the Lord’s day

If the child deliberately misses mass on Sunday for example, they commit a mortal sin
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I have to ask. Then if that child suddenly dies, like in an accident, after deliberately missing service is that child going to hell?
 
steve_b said:
Is the confessor a mind reader? Can the confessor tell if the individual is playing games?
It is NOT the sole responsibility of the confessor.
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It is the sole responsibility of the Confessor to decide if it’s a mortal sin. You and i don’t decide that.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
It is the sole responsibility of the Confessor to decide if it’s a mortal sin. You and i don’t decide that.
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About another person…sure.

But not about ourselves…we* too* are involved rather. We examine our conscience and *confess.
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Bookcat said:
About another person…sure.

But not about ourselves…we* too* are involved rather. We examine our conscience and *confess.
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:thumbs: Even then we don’t decide if it’s a mortal sin, yes we confess it but it’s up to the Confessor to decide if it is a mortal sin.
 
NM505StKate said:
I have to ask. Then if that child suddenly dies, like in an accident, after deliberately missing service is that child going to hell?
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Only God, not any of us, knows the state of a person’s soul at death.

We can say objectively that anyone dying in a state of mortal sin goes to Hell but we cannot say any specific individual will go there.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Even then we don’t decide if it’s a mortal sin, yes we confess it but it’s up to the Confessor to decide if it is a mortal sin.
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Yes we actually can/do judge (decide) that such and such was a mortal sin.

That is why we examine our conscience.

Now are there cases when one should rely on the Priest to judge yes or no? Sure.
 
thistle said:
Only God, not any of us, knows the state of a person’s soul at death.

We can say objectively that anyone dying in a state of mortal sin goes to Hell but we cannot say any specific individual will go there.
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Well according to the “rules” if a mortal sin is not reconciled through confession then the punishment is hell. If I am wrong tell me because this is a rather ludicrous way of handling not going to a building for a set amount of time each week.
 
NM505StKate said:
Well according to the “rules” if a mortal sin is not reconciled through confession then the punishment is hell. If I am wrong tell me because this is a rather ludicrous way of handling not going to a building for a set amount of time each week.
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It is not simply about “rules”. Nor is the manner of your presentation correct.

Also remember that we do not know what state a person has died in or not. Nor their subjective culpability etc.
thistle said:
Only God, not any of us, knows the state of a person’s soul at death.

We can say objectively that anyone dying in a state of mortal sin goes to Hell but we cannot say any specific individual will go there.
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Quite Correct.
 
Bookcat said:
It is not simply about “rules”. Nor is the manner of your presentation correct.

Also remember that we do not know what state a person has died in or not. Nor their subjective culpability etc.
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A child of ten skips church to go play with friends at the local park. By “rules” this is a mortal sin. Now while at the park there is a freak accident and the child is killed. Said child didn’t repent, probably didn’t have all the sacraments, and died in mortal sin. Since mortal sin is a grave offense that child would be sent to hell via the “rules”.
 
NM505StKate said:
A child of ten skips church to go play with friends at the local park. By “rules” this is a mortal sin. Now while at the park there is a freak accident and the child is killed. Said child didn’t repent, probably didn’t have all the sacraments, and died in mortal sin. Since mortal sin is a grave offense that child would be sent to hell via the “rules”.
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Again…

It is not simply about “rules”.

We do not know what state a person has died in or not. Nor their actual last moments. Nor their subjective culpability etc.

Period.
 
Bookcat said:
Again…

It is not simply about “rules”.

We do not know what state a person has died in or not. Nor their actual last moments. Nor their subjective culpability etc.

Period.
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The child was run over by a car while attempting to catch a ball. That is a fair state to put them in. They were having fun and thinking about their friends. Better?
 
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