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What happens if a Catholic, who is in a state of grace, commits a mortal sin and dies before they are given an opportunity to repent? For example, if they died in the act of mortal sin itself. Do they go to hell or are they given a chance to repent in purgatory?
 
What happens if a Catholic, who is in a state of grace, commits a mortal sin and dies before they are given an opportunity to repent? For example, if they died in the act of mortal sin itself. Do they go to hell or are they given a chance to repent in purgatory?
You only get a chance to repent before you die, and not after. If a person dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin then they spend eternity in Hell.
 
You only get a chance to repent before you die, and not after. If a person dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin then they spend eternity in Hell.
Wow. You must know all the answers. You speak so matter-of-factly. Just out of curiosity, how do you know this?
 
Wow. You must know all the answers. You speak so matter-of-factly. Just out of curiosity, how do you know this?
Because the Catholic Church (the only Church) which Christ himself established on Peter was entrusted by Christ with the Deposit of Faith and authority given to Peter with the Apostles and their successors to preserve and proclaim the truth in matters of faith and morals.

If you wish to read the teachings of the Church you can find them all summarised in the Catechism of the Catholic Church with footnotes to each teaching referencing the source (e.g. Scripture) of the teaching.
 
You only get a chance to repent before you die, and not after. If a person dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin then they spend eternity in Hell.
Certainly it is the teaching of the Church that repentance from actual mortal sin can only occur prior to death. After death, we cannot repent from actual mortal sin. Whoever dies unrepentant from actual mortal sin goes to Hell. This was infallibly taught by Pope Benedict XII by solemn definition in "on the beatific vision of God’

“By this Constitution which is to remain in force for ever, we, with apostolic authority, define the following:

Moreover we define that according to the general disposition of God, the souls of those who die in actual mortal sin go down into hell immediately (mox) after death and there suffer the pain of hell.”

It is also the infallible teaching of the Universal Magisterium, found in many sources, including the Catechism:

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.”

And it is the teaching of Pope John Paul II:
“Furthermore, when sin is considered from the point of view of the punishment it merits, for St. Thomas and other doctors mortal sin is the sin which, if unforgiven, leads to eternal punishment; whereas venial sin is the sin that merits merely temporal punishment (that is, a partial punishment which can be expiated on earth or in purgatory).” (Reconciliation and Penance, n. 17.)

And it is the infallible teaching of the Council of Florence: “But the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains.”

Note that those who die in original sin alone are guilty of the actual mortal sin of omission of never having found sanctifying grace in their life, despite the opportunity to do so.
 
What happens if a Catholic, who is in a state of grace, commits a mortal sin and dies before they are given an opportunity to repent? For example, if they died in the act of mortal sin itself. Do they go to hell or are they given a chance to repent in purgatory?
Of course, we cannot judge any particular person’s soul. We do know that the church says committing a mortal sin is rejecting the entire moral law and God.

Please see here:
In point of fact, man does not suffer perdition only by being unfaithful to that fundamental option whereby he has made “a free self-commitment to God”.113 With every freely committed mortal sin, he offends God as the giver of the law and as a result becomes guilty with regard to the entire law (cf. Jas 2:8-11); even if he perseveres in faith, he loses “sanctifying grace”, “charity” and “eternal happiness”.114 As the Council of Trent teaches, “the grace of justification once received is lost not only by apostasy, by which faith itself is lost, but also by any other mortal sin”.115
 
What happens if a Catholic, who is in a state of grace, commits a mortal sin and dies before they are given an opportunity to repent? For example, if they died in the act of mortal sin itself. Do they go to hell or are they given a chance to repent in purgatory?
Purgatory is a state of being that your soul enters after death. Purgatory is a purification process rather than a place. You can only repent while you are alive. If you die having willfully and knowingly committed a mortal sin before you can repent, it is believed that you will spend eternity in hell.

But for the most part, it’s not possible for us to determine for sure the state of ones soul at their death so we can’t judge. That’s between them and God. Most of the time, unless we know the person did something really wrong right before they died, we assume the person is going to heaven if the person was a faithful Christian and did the best he could to do God’s will. But in reality we wont know until we get there ourselves.
 
Purgatory is a state of being that your soul enters after death. Purgatory is a purification process rather than a place. You can only repent while you are alive. If you die having willfully and knowingly committed a mortal sin before you can repent, it is believed that you will spend eternity in hell.

But for the most part, it’s not possible for us to determine for sure the state of ones soul at their death so we can’t judge. That’s between them and God. Most of the time, unless we know the person did something really wrong right before they died, we assume the person is going to heaven if the person was a faithful Christian and did the best he could to do God’s will. But in reality we wont know until we get there ourselves.
Exactly.
 
You only get a chance to repent before you die, and not after. If a person dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin then they spend eternity in Hell.
People who spend their lives loving their families, spouses, kids, going to work every day and doing a fine job, treating everyone the way they’d want to be treated (with the occasional slip-up) will be going to Hell after telling a single lie, or being promiscuous a single time, or whatever other sin you’d like to insert here.

Under these conditions, Hell will be/is more crowded than a subway during rush hour, while Heaven will be/is about as empty as a Washington Nationals game.
 
People who spend their lives loving their families, spouses, kids, going to work every day and doing a fine job, treating everyone the way they’d want to be treated (with the occasional slip-up) will be going to Hell after telling a single lie, or being promiscuous a single time, or whatever other sin you’d like to insert here.

Under these conditions, Hell will be/is more crowded than a subway during rush hour, while Heaven will be/is about as empty as a Washington Nationals game.
It is true that generally we die as we have lived. But, mortal sin is not a “slip-up”.
 
From what I have come to understand, one who is perfectly contrite (that is sorry for committing sin just because they have committed sin against God), but could not receive the sacrament of confession, will not be damned (Im not trying to say that we as humans can say who goes to heaven or not) I am saying that contrition is enough in extraordinary circumstances, while attrition is not…
(I wrote all this then found a part in the catechism to support)

“When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called ‘perfect’ (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible” (CCC 1452).
 
So it seems that most are saying that this person who is in a state of grace and commits a mortal sin and dies before having a chance to repent (like dying in the act itself) would go to hell.

Now the next question I would ask is such a situation possible from a loving, merciful God?

I suspect my answer would be that because God is eternal he knows whether this person will repent or not given the chance. So if God knew this person, if given the chance to repent, would still not do it then allowing more time for repentance would not make any difference to the outcome. (Although it would still seem more merciful to me if he still went through the motions). But if God knew that this person would repent then it is my opinion that a loving, merciful God would not allow the above situation to occur and would allow time for repentance so the person could be saved.

What do you think?
 
People who spend their lives loving their families, spouses, kids, going to work every day and doing a fine job, treating everyone the way they’d want to be treated (with the occasional slip-up) will be going to Hell after telling a single lie, or being promiscuous a single time, or whatever other sin you’d like to insert here.

Under these conditions, Hell will be/is more crowded than a subway during rush hour, while Heaven will be/is about as empty as a Washington Nationals game.
First, a mortal sin cannot be committed by accident (slip-up). It is a deliberate act of rejecting God’s love.

Second, as for Hell being crowded I think you may well be correct. Jesus said many will end up in Hell and few will end up in Heaven.

Read the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:13-14:

13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many.
14 How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few.
 
Note that those who die in original sin alone are guilty of the actual mortal sin of omission of never having found sanctifying grace in their life, despite the opportunity to do so.
Uhhhh…

What opportunity, one might ask, for those before the age of reason?

I believe in Limbo, and that those who die in original sin cannot enter Heaven…

But your deduction appears flawed.
 
Uhhhh…

What opportunity, one might ask, for those before the age of reason?

I believe in Limbo, and that those who die in original sin cannot enter Heaven…

But your deduction appears flawed.
For those who die without the opportunity, such as prenatals, infants, and young children, and the severely mentally handicapped, my theological opinion is that they receive a non-formal baptism prior to death, at least in the last moment of life, so that their final resting place is in Heaven, not Hell.

See this article on Limbo:
catholicplanet.com/RCC/baptism-limbo.htm

and this article on non-formal baptism:
catholicplanet.com/RCC/mystical-baptism.htm
 
I suspect my answer would be that because God is eternal he knows whether this person will repent or not given the chance. So if God knew this person, if given the chance to repent, would still not do it then allowing more time for repentance would not make any difference to the outcome. (Although it would still seem more merciful to me if he still went through the motions). But if God knew that this person would repent then it is my opinion that a loving, merciful God would not allow the above situation to occur and would allow time for repentance so the person could be saved.
There is no such teaching in Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium.
 
For those who die without the opportunity, such as prenatals, infants, and young children, and the severely mentally handicapped, my theological opinion is that they receive a non-formal baptism prior to death, at least in the last moment of life, so that their final resting place is in Heaven, not Hell.

See this article on Limbo:
catholicplanet.com/RCC/baptism-limbo.htm

and this article on non-formal baptism:
catholicplanet.com/RCC/mystical-baptism.htm
Seemingly reasonable deductions have not the weight of tradition, which is preferable. Find some saints to support you, I would recommend, explicitly, or refrain from too far speculation. I think from some of your articles which I have read you’re a little too quick to come up with deductive solutions that others in the past, far more holy have not formed a consensus of support of – and could easily have supported or thought of, just like yourself, and yet refrained.

It is the difference between human reason and divine revelation. You have some good articles, but others seem prone to this problem. 😃

I saw a throne in the sky, and on it sat the Lord Jesus Christ as Judge. Before his feet sat the Virgin Mary; and around the throne, there was an army of angels and an infinite multitude of saints. A religious, very learned in theology, stood on a high rung of a ladder which was fixed in the earth and whose summit touched the sky. His gestures were very impatient and restless, as if he were full of guile and malice. He questioned the Judge, saying. . .

[The Sixth Interrogation]

First question. Again there appeared on the rung the same man as before, and he said: “O Judge, I ask you why one infant comes forth alive from its mother’s womb and obtains baptism while another, after receiving a soul, dies within its mother’s viscera?”

Second question. “Item. Why, for the just, do many things have an untoward outcome while, for the unjust, all things are as they wish?”

Third question. “Item. Why do plagues and famines come - and the inconveniences that afflict the body?”

Fourth question. “Item. Why does death come so unexpectedly that it can very rarely be foreseen?”

Fifth question. “Item. Why do you suffer men to go to war with deliberate wrath and envy and in a spirit of vengeance?”

Response to the first question. The Judge replied: "Friend, you question not out of charity but only because I permit it. And that is why I answer you in a way that resembles words. You ask why one infant dies within its mother’s viscera and another comes forth alive. The reason is this. All the strength of a child’s body is taken from the seed of its father and mother; but if it is conceived without due strength because of some infirmity of the father or the mother, it quickly dies.

As a result of the parents’ neglect or lack of care - and also as a result of my divine justice - many things happen so that what was joined together quickly separates. Nevertheless, although the soul had no longer time to vivify the body, it will not therefore meet with a harsh punishment but rather with a mercy known to me. When the sun streams into a house, its rays alone are seen. Only those who gaze at the sky see the sun as it is in its beauty. So it is with the souls of such children. Because they lack baptism, they do not see my face. Nevertheless, they do draw nearer to mercy than to punishment - although not in the same way as my elect."

The Revelations of St. Bridget
 
You all need to stop quoting Scripture. Catholics do not base their faith on Scripture. If you want to base your faith solely on Scripture go find a Church that does that.

If you want to quote the Catechism, that is better, but quote all of it, not just the parts you like. You are judged by Jesus Christ, or God, however you choose to say it. Some of the grave sins as defined in the Catechism are so obscure that there probably aren’t six people in the world that agree on what they mean and that they are a grave sin.

After Jesus did so much work to get people into Heaven why do you want to have them thrown out? Why would He?

It is right for the Church to say what is a grave sin. It is their place to do so. It is God’s place to judge, at least according to the Church.
 
The teachings of the Catholic Faith are based on:

Sacred Tradition
Sacred Scripture
and the Magisterium.
 
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