Mortal Sin to visit a Sikh Temple?

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As I said, you need to look it up for yourself, RyanBlack. Obviously, you don’t realize how crafty and subtle Satan is. Nor do you seem to want to know. You just want to excuse the OP’s reasons for going to a place he has no business frequenting.

I love Indian food (and foods of many different nationalities and cultures) and hanging out with my friends as much as the next person. But I’m not going to put my soul in danger for momentary pleasures.

The OP uses his desire to eat free Indian food and hang out with his Indian friends as an excuse to go to the Sikh temple near him. Why is he not able to hang out with these friends somewhere else like school, the movies, any other social setting? Why is he not able to eat Indian food elsewhere? Why must these things only occur in a Sikh temple?

Is the OP going to Mass before he hangs out with these Indian friends of his? Or is he placing his desires (the free food and hanging out with these Indian friends in the Sikh temple) above his obligation to God?

If he has no desire to leave the Catholic Church, why is he spending more time at a Sikh temple than he is at Mass? Mass is a half hour to an hour each day, Can he not spend even that 30 minutes to an hour with Jesus?

I can understand going to a Sikh temple or another religious setting as part of a class assignment. Those are field trips. You go and then you write a report about what you saw and learned. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here. The OP admits he’s been to a Sikh temple quite a number of times with his Indian friends. The food and desire to hang with them are the draw.

Again, why is he not hanging out with these friends and sharing food and fellowship in places that aren’t Indian? Why must it be at a Sikh temple? While on the surface, everything looks innocent, there is more going on beneath the surface than perhaps the OP realizes.
 
You’re missing the mark, what your mentioning is ecumenical teaching and world inter religious concepts, this is nothing to do with nations, people, culture, or celebrations,but against demons Ephesians 6: 11 Put on the whole armor of God, so that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places but it is regarding food offered to idols, other heathen, gentile, or unbelievers, the religions you mentioned are mentioned by the Catholic Church as New Age concepts which is to be strictly avoided.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...s/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CULTURE
PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
JESUS CHRIST
THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE
A Christian reflection
on the “New Age”

The present publication calls attention to the need to know and understand New Age as a cultural current, as well as the need for Catholics to have an understanding of authentic Catholic doctrine and spirituality in order to properly assess New Age themes. As Pope John Paul II said to a group of bishops from the United States: “Pastors must honestly ask whether they have paid sufficient attention to the thirst of the human heart for the true ‘living water’ which only Christ our Redeemer can give (cf. Jn 4:7-13)”. Like him, we want to rely “on the perennial freshness of the Gospel message and its capacity to transform and renew those who accept it” (AAS 86/4, 330).

2.1. What is new about New Age?
Some of the traditions which flow into New Age are: ancient Egyptian occult practices, Cabbalism, early Christian gnosticism, Sufism, the lore of the Druids, Celtic Christianity, mediaeval alchemy, Renaissance hermeticism, Zen Buddhism, Yoga and so on.(15)

A general loss of faith in these former pillars of consciousness and social cohesion has been accompanied by the unexpected return of cosmic religiosity, rituals and beliefs which many believed to have been supplanted by Christianity;

**Here the prashad (Food offered, consecrated by the word of their scripture)is prepared in the langar kitchen. Prashad is blessed by offering of Ardas, a prayer, often before reading a hukam from the Guru Here idols can be anything a book their scripture,falsely called wisdom of divine **
knowledge,persons,they believe in incarnation of persons,etc satanic wisdom,James 3:15 This wisdom is not such as comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, devilish.Psalms 95:5 For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens
 
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I agree with Francis… You are correct and your proofs are true…
 
Thanks for understandingPhilippians 3:1 To write the same things to you is not troublesome to me, and for you it is a safeguard. this is nothing to do with, people,nations culture,nor against any religion, the genitals are good people,its against demons and our fight is against evil spirits In Ep 6:10-20 and nothing else,but for us Jesus is the true God .God Bless

1 Corinthians 8:1-6 Now concerning food sacrificed to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2 Anyone who claims to know something does not yet have the necessary knowledge; 3 but anyone who loves God is known by him.

Hence, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “no idol in the world really exists,” and that “there is no God but one.” 5 Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

1 Corinthians 10:20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be mismated with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Be′lial?[a] Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,“I will live in them and move among them,and I will be their God,and they shall be my people.17 Therefore come out from them,and be separate from them, says the Lord,and touch nothing unclean;then I will welcome you,18 and I will be a father to you,and you shall be my sons and daughters,says the Lord Almighty.”

Luke 16:10 “He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much.
 
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm

Catechism of the Catholic Church
PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST

SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

CHAPTER ONE
“YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND”

ARTICLE 1
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.3
It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."4

I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"

2084 God makes himself known by recalling his all-powerful loving, and liberating action in the history of the one he addresses: “I brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.” The first word contains the first commandment of the Law: "You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him. . . . You shall not go after other gods."5 God’s first call and just demand is that man accept him and worship him.

2085 The one and true God first reveals his glory to Israel.6 The revelation of the vocation and truth of man is linked to the revelation of God. Man’s vocation is to make God manifest by acting in conformity with his creation “in the image and likeness of God”:

There will never be another God, Trypho, and there has been no other since the world began . . . than he who made and ordered the universe. We do not think that our God is different from yours. He is the same who brought your fathers out of Egypt “by his powerful hand and his outstretched arm.” We do not place our hope in some other god, for there is none, but in the same God as you do: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.7

2086 "The first commandment embraces faith, hope, and charity. When we say ‘God’ we confess a constant, unchangeable being, always the same, faithful and just, without any evil. It follows that we must necessarily accept his words and have complete faith in him and acknowledge his authority. He is almighty, merciful, and infinitely beneficent. Who could not place all hope in him? Who could not love him when contemplating the treasures of goodness and love he has poured out on us? Hence the formula God employs in the Scripture at the beginning and end of his commandments: ‘I am the LORD.’"8
 
IN BRIEF

2133 “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your strength” (Deut 6:5).

2134 The first commandment summons man to believe in God, to hope in him, and to love him above all else.

2135 “You shall worship the Lord your God” (Mt 4:10). Adoring God, praying to him, offering him the worship that belongs to him, fulfilling the promises and vows made to him are acts of the virtue of religion which fall under obedience to the first commandment.

2136 The duty to offer God authentic worship concerns man both as an individual and as a social being.

2137 “Men of the present day want to profess their religion freely in private and in public” (DH 15).

2138 Superstition is a departure from the worship that we give to the true God. It is manifested in idolatry, as well as in various forms of divination and magic.

2139 Tempting God in words or deeds, sacrilege, and simony are sins of irreligion forbidden by the first commandment.

2140 Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the first commandment.

2141 The veneration of sacred images is based on the mystery of the Incarnation of the Word of God. It is not contrary to the first commandment.
 
Francis, can you distill your points down a bit? I’m not going to comb through that wall of text. Also, the point about chicken tikka masala and the sin of gluttony is one of the oddest things posted in this thread so far.

Lily, I’m not sure you understand the role of temples in Indian-American communities. Much more than most Christian churches, they often function as general community centers in addition to places of worship. A lot of them have restaurants/cafeterias attached and host cultural events that have nothing to do with religion.

I know one Indian-American guy who is a very devoted Catholic who still drops in at the local Hindu temple from time to time to stay connected to the Indian community in his area. He just doesn’t worship there. But he sees nothing wrong with chatting over a cup of coffee in the community areas. You really think he’s communing with the devil?
 
BoomBoomMancini i just gave, a few points, not a wall of text!, which was very direct and clear, well , the point about chicken tikka masala which is one of the oddest things posted in this thread so far was by you, I just answered your question ,food can be a cause of mortal sin ,when eaten in excess, and a desire always to eat tasty food as in Phi 3;19 becomes an idol and mortal sin.

Similarly food offered or prayed over, consecrated by the word of gentile scripture or perform the blessing during the recitation, Here idols can be anything,their book, scripture, incarnation of persons,here incarnations is nothing but possessed person with diabolic evil spirits, falsely called wisdom of divine knowledge, satanic wisdom, James 3:15 This wisdom is not such as comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, devilish.Psalms 95:5 For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens. 1 Corinthians 10:20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. 1 Corinthians 10:20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?
2 Thessalonians 2:2-11 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Exodus 20: 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Those devoted Catholic as you say, do not have the discernment, fall in bondage and are in the grip of satan,it is very clear in Job 20:“Though wickedness is sweet in his mouth, though he hides it under his tongue,13 though he is loath to let it go,and holds it in his mouth,14 yet his food is turned in his stomach; it is the gall of asps within him.15 He swallows down riches and vomits them up again; God casts them out of his belly.that is why some get dizzy and vomit it out after eating them.

Psalms 107:17-19 Some were sick through their sinful ways,and because of their iniquities endured affliction;18 they loathed any kind of food, and they drew near to the gates of death.19 Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble,and he saved them from their distress;they are spiritually blind 2 Corinthians 4: 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
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Sihks worship only one God, the creator of the universe. Catholics worship only one God, the creator of the same universe.
 
Well, I guess since you won’t share your super secret insider information, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
 
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Well, I guess since you won’t share your super secret insider information, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
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BoomBoomMancini, there is no “super secret insider information.” There is doing the research, learning and discerning the truth. In other words, using common sense.

My responses have been based not only on research and experience but also the OP’s post. Ask yourself this question. Why would the OP ask if it is a mortal sin to visit a Sikh temple if all he is doing, as he claims, is “eating free Indian food and getting together with his Indian friends”?

Why is he not inviting these friends to Mass with him? Why is he the one having to go to the Sikh temple to see his friends? Why is everything done there? After all, Catholics socialize after and between the Masses sharing free food and conversation with friends. So why isn’t he inviting his Indian friends to not only come to Mass but to share in the food and fellowship of his fellow Catholics?

Do you honestly believe the OP isn’t considering converting? Satan uses subtle things like food and places that aren’t appropriate for a Christian to frequent as a means of getting that person away from the true faith and the one, true God.

Do some fine tooth comb researching and you will find that the god they worship is not the God Christians worship. Far from it. If you know as much as you say you do about Sikhs, you know I’m telling you the truth. Be honest with yourself if not with the rest of us.

Also, I’m sure you’ve noticed that the OP hasn’t posted since his initial post in this thread. Why do you think that is, BBM? If Francis and I are so wrong about this, why isn’t the OP here clarifying his position and showing us where we’re in error? Could it be because deep down inside he knows he’s the one in the wrong but isn’t ready to admit it because he really wants to continue going to this temple regardless of what anyone tells him?
 
@lilypadrees Very True

I have firsthand information of some Catholic, and few of them are my friends and relatives who went to temples of other religions, during tours who, where possessed with those evil spirits, but they were leading normal lives, but in severe bondage,the evil spirits lead them to believe in such idols ,such as eastern religions and so on ,later even performing their rituals, ever their prayers and casual visits to temple for food and fun. Only when they attend a retreat at the time of counselling, about the 10 Commandments,did they revealed some of them, they only eat food offered to idols of other gods, few even went to sikh temples.A Catholic, Priest who had the gift of deliverance, had prayed over them, and they were swaying to and fro in a trance,they were possessed of the evil spirits of which ever, temple they have visited, and thus they were set free, only then did they realized their mistakes,and confessed their mortal sins of such kind,at first I too was skeptical about such things, but when i went for a retreat, i seen for myself what was happening, they all, where well educated, and 25 of them, that’s why am so convinced, about such things.

Catholic must understand this is nothing to do with, people, nation,or culture, nor against any religion, the genitals are good people, it’s against demons and our fight is against evil spirits In Ep 6:10-20 and nothing else, but for us Jesus is the true God .

Luke 16:10 “He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much.

What should we do? We have to confess it immediately and how many number of times you have visited and eaten food this can be different sweets,fruits,coconut,chocolates etc, or shown respect to it, have you removed your footwear and covered your head that means you have shown respect indirectly worshiped venerated,showing, honor. Because without removing you footwear and covering you head your will not be allowed in the temple, without giving excuses or justifying yourself, confess it immediately it’s a very grievous sin breaking the 1st commandment. God Bless.
 
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Catholic should avoid food offered to a false God as it is very clears in the Word of God as in 1 Corinthians 10:20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?Do All to the Glory of God

1 Corinthians 10:20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.

As they are disobedient as said in Ephesians 2:2 in which you once lived, following the course of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work among those who are disobedient. Wisdom 1:16 But the ungodly by their words and deeds summoned death;considering him a friend, they pined away and made a covenant with him,because they are fit to belong to his company.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be deceived:“Bad company ruins good morals.”
 
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I’m not sure why you continue to cut and paste texts to me. It’s a bit like trying to converse with a fortune cookie. 😎 Do you have something to say?
 
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please read my above post so i don’t have to keep repeating things here, or do you have anything to say about it ?
 
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lilypadrees said:
As I said, you need to look it up for yourself, RyanBlack. Obviously, you don’t realize how crafty and subtle Satan is. Nor do you seem to want to know. You just want to excuse the OP’s reasons for going to a place he has no business frequenting
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Since you won’t tell this truth that you claim to know, I can’t take your claim about it seriously. Also, you presume far too much about what I know, what I care to know, and what I think about the OP frequenting a gurdwara. I don’t personally think it’s a particularly advisable thing to do. My problem is assuming that the Sikhs there are waiting for the right opportunity to pounce on him and make a convert of him, when Sikhism doesn’t seek converts. I’m also opposed to equating Sikhism with Satanism.
 
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