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Atemi
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Where does the RCC list all the sins of omission that are mortal and damn one for eternity?One can also sin mortally by committing a sin of omission, which takes no effort at all!
Surely Catholics need to know if what they are NOT doing is a damnable offense.
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Atemi
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So Catholics are commanded not to pray for a brother in mortal sin?
That is what the text says…(if it is speaking of the RC version of deadly sin)…
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Mannyfit75
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Um, how did you come up with that conclusion? I am merely quoting where the word mortal sin came about and its right in Scripture.
Catholics are called to pray for his brother or sister especially if they live in sin.
Often at Mass, we pray for one another. The Catholic Church acknowledges that there is serious sin (mortal sin) and a sin that is not mortal (venial sin). This belief has been professed since Apostolic times.
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1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.
Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.
1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
If you want to look indepth with what sin is in the Catholic view take a look at this site:
vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#Mans%20Vocation:%20Life%20in%20the%20Spirit
It’s a question and answer format.
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Atemi
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“If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that”
Why on earth would John say not to pray for a brother in mortal sin?
Just thinkin’
Thanks Manny.
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Mannyfit75
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Let’s read the entire Chapter of 1 John 5.
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Mannyfit75
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1: Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.
2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
4: For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith.
5: Who is it that overcomes the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
6: This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood.
7: And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
8: There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.
9: If we receive the** testimony of men**, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God that he has borne witness to his Son.
10: He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne to his Son.
11: And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12: He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God has not life.
13: I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
14: And this is the confidence which we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.
15: And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.
16: If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and** God will give him life** for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.
17: All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
18: We know that** any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.**
19: We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one.
20: And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21: Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
4: For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith.
5: Who is it that overcomes the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
6: This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood.
7: And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
8: There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.
9: If we receive the** testimony of men**, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God that he has borne witness to his Son.
10: He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne to his Son.
11: And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12: He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God has not life.
13: I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
14: And this is the confidence which we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.
15: And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.
16: If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and** God will give him life** for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.
17: All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
18: We know that** any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.**
19: We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one.
20: And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21: Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
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guanophore
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These can be found in a number of places, in addition to scripture, the faithful have the catechism, the publications of the councils, the letters from the Holy Father, and pastoral letters from the Bishops. Many good examinations of conscience can now be found on the www as well.
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guanophore
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I think it is saying that intercessory prayer is not sufficient. It requires confession and healing.
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guanophore
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Yes, pray, but realize that it is not enough! Such a one needs to be restored before God. That can only happen with a personal repentance, and acceptance of absolution. No one can do that for someone else.
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Atemi
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The Apostle implies that you are not to pray for someone in mortal sin. Why are not more Catholics obedient to that?
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Milliardo
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No, it requires, but is not as immediate as mortal sin.
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Atemi
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Saying these are found “in a number of places” doesn’t answer the question.
There are (supposedly) fewer things more dangerous than unconfessed mortal sin. But I guess the loophole is if the faithful do not know they are committing mortal sins of omission left and right…then they are not guilty of them.
Interesting system for sure.
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Atemi
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Then that disagrees with the poster before you.
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Milliardo
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The operative word here is, “they do not know”. Are they guilty of them? Yes, but their guilt wouldn’t be as heavy as those who knowingly commit sin.
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Milliardo
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Please reference which post.
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guanophore
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For a Catholic who is regularly attending Mass, the Eucharist is sufficient for confession and healing of venial sins.
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guanophore
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Indeed, it may not be sufficient for those who want a quick and easy way. But Christ never promised such a life! He supported the 10 commandments, which, contrary to popular belief, have not been changed to the ten suggestions. However, those persons requiring deeper understanding can access the documents. For example, the commandments say “thou shalt not kill”. A believer may wonder, does that apply to contraception? Abortion? Capital punishment? War? For these questions, one might wish to study further.
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guanophore
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For the same reason we don’t pluck out our eyes and cut off our hands and feet when they sin against us.
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