Mortal sins help

[werstrng]

So a mortal sin must meet the following requirements

1. Its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter.
2. It must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (no one is considered ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are inborn as part of human knowledge, but these principles can be misunderstood in a particular context).
3. It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin.
   But what is considered a subject to grave or serious matter?
   lets say some one committed the mortal sin of damaging another’s property on full consent. but if it was only something small like a pencil being broken with that consider not serious and it it not a sin and it needs to be something bigger like breaking ones tv or computer? or do i have it all wrong and this is all irreverent to it being a serious matter?

 

[fermat]

Generally speaking, grave matter a violation one the ten commandments. The magnitude of the offense is less important. The key is that you are doing something that you know has been forbidden by God.

To clarify on the ten commandments, you need to look to the spirit of the commandment, not just the letter.

 

[ahs]

A good “Examination of Conscience” will tell you what sins are considered to be grave matter. You can also study different sins in the Catechism and it will tell you whether it is grave matter or not. Breaking someone’s pencil is not grave matter, in itself. Breaking a pencil because you know that it is a person’s favorite thing in the world and you just want to see them suffer and you take joy in their suffering…that could be grave matter.

 

[IrishRush]

I’ve also learned that with the 10 commandments, when you read them to discern mortal sin you should not only take them at the literal words on the page in front of you. For instance, with the first commandment - I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve. - look at your life and see what you put ahead of your worship and love of God. Is it your personal belongings, a person in your life, video games (I don’t know your age so I’m just throwing random things out)?
Do you understand what I mean? It’s not ONLY are your worshipping someONE other than God, things can also come into play. So read through the commandments with this type of thought process. Another example is thou shalt not kill. I’m going to assume that you’ve never murdered anyone. But have you ever been just absolutely, over the top furious with someone and later realized that it was not a “righteous” anger? Confess that.
I hope this has helped you.
God bless you.

 

[bmullins]

To commit a mortal sin as I’ve been told, is not something you can do lightly or on accident. It’s willfully and with full knowledge doing something you know God doesn’t want you to do, and doing it anyway. It’s turning your back on God’s law out of selfishness.

Person A is surfing the net and he stumbles across a website. He looks at it without really thinking about what he is doing. He really likes what he is looking at, and even is excited by it. He has some lustful thoughts. He let’s his lust carry him away, he turns off the computer and goes on with his life.

Person B is surfing the net and he stumbles across the same website. As he is looking at it, he ponders what he is doing and his conscience reminds him that lust is the same as breaking the commandment against adultery. He starts to turn the computer off so he won’t be tempted, and instead decides he doesn’t care he’s going to look anyway.

Person A ‘might’ have committed mortal sin. It isn’t a sure thing, only he and God know for sure. Person B HAS committed mortal sin. He not only knew it was wrong, he had a chance to turn away from the wrong action after being ‘reminded’ it was wrong and with full consent, full knowledge of what he was doing, fully being aware that he was going into mortal sin he did it anyway.

 

[teachccd]

Person A ‘might’ have committed mortal sin. It isn’t a sure thing, only he and God know for sure. Person B HAS committed mortal sin. He not only knew it was wrong, he had a chance to turn away from the wrong action after being ‘reminded’ it was wrong and with full consent, full knowledge of what he was doing, fully being aware that he was going into mortal sin he did it anyway.

I beg to differ. Ideally you would be correct if the person has no external drive to affect his or her decision. The sexual urge may be so intense at that moment that that is the sole reason why he or she did not leave the temptation. This could mitigate the sin since the person’s full consent was coereced by the extreme physical urge. In other words, this person may have rationalized that what they were doing was wrong and even went to the point of vacating the situation but then that decision was overidden by the intense physical urge.

I am not undermining the presence of mortal sin but with sexual sin there is not always a clear cut difinitive understanding of full consent. The externals are pretty enticing therefore limiting the rationalization required for a full assent of the will.

So, Person B is more likely to be in the state of mortal sin than Person A but that could never be totally determined by anyone except God. This person should be HIGHLY advised to get to reconciliation and to abstain from the Eucharist but can never be judged by us… teachccd

 

[Bookcat]

So a mortal sin must meet the following requirements

1. Its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter.
2. It must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (no one is considered ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are inborn as part of human knowledge, but these principles can be misunderstood in a particular context).
3. It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin.
   But what is considered a subject to grave or serious matter?
   lets say some one committed the mortal sin of damaging another’s property on full consent. but if it was only something small like a pencil being broken with that consider not serious and it it not a sin and it needs to be something bigger like breaking ones tv or computer? or do i have it all wrong and this is all irreverent to it being a serious matter?

“Grave matters” yes can involve the 10 commandments certainly. But also note that there can in various things be “parvity” (smallness) of matter too in various of the 10 commandments. Good examples of grave matters are of course, Lust, murder, adultery, perjury in court, abortion, fornication etc. An example where there can be smallness of matter might be in a lie…or anger etc.