Mortalium Animos

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My school has a Christian Organization. They have invited me to join, but I have read Mortalium Animos and it clearly states that Catholics cannot be part of “ecumenical gatherings”. What should I do? I know praying with non-Catholics is sinful, but what about a Christian Organization?
 
My school has a Christian Organization. They have invited me to join, but I have read Mortalium Animos and it clearly states that Catholics cannot be part of “ecumenical gatherings”. What should I do? I know praying with non-Catholics is sinful, but what about a Christian Organization?
It is not a sin. Even the pope has prayed with non Catholics.
 
It is not a sin. Even the pope has prayed with non Catholics.

Which Pope? Pius XI? Ot JPII?
Papal Encyclical:
…The manifold churches or communities, if united in some kind of universal federation, would then be in a position to oppose strongly and with success the progress of irreligion. This, Venerable Brethren, is what is commonly said. There are some, indeed, who recognize and affirm that Protestantism, as they call it, has rejected, with a great lack of consideration, certain articles of faith and some external ceremonies, which are, in fact, pleasing and useful, and which the Roman Church still retains. They soon, however, go on to say that that Church also has erred, and corrupted the original religion by adding and proposing for belief certain doctrines which are not only alien to the Gospel, but even repugnant to it. Among the chief of these they number that which concerns the primacy of jurisdiction, which was granted to Peter and to his successors in the See of Rome. Among them there indeed are some, though few, who grant to the Roman Pontiff a primacy of honor or even a certain jurisdiction or power, but this, however, they consider not to arise from the divine law but from the consent of the faithful. Others again, even go so far as to wish the Pontiff Himself to preside over their motley, so to say, assemblies. But, all the same, although many non-Catholics may be found who loudly preach fraternal communion in Christ Jesus, yet you will find none at all to whom it ever occurs to submit to and obey the Vicar of Jesus Christ either in His capacity as a teacher or as a governor. Meanwhile they affirm that they would willingly treat with the Church of Rome, but on equal terms, that is as equals with an equal: but even if they could so act. it does not seem open to doubt that any pact into which they might enter would not compel them to turn from those opinions which are still the reason why they err and stray from the one fold of Christ.
  1. **This being so, it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. **Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise? For here there is question of defending revealed truth. Jesus Christ sent His Apostles into the whole world in order that they might permeate all nations with the Gospel faith, and, lest they should err, He willed beforehand that they should be taught by the Holy Ghost:[15] has then this doctrine of the Apostles completely vanished away, or sometimes been obscured, in the Church, whose ruler and defense is God Himself? If our Redeemer plainly said that His Gospel was to continue not only during the times of the Apostles, but also till future ages, is it possible that the object of faith should in the process of time become so obscure and uncertain, that it would be necessary to-day to tolerate opinions which are even incompatible one with another? If this were true, we should have to confess that the coming of the Holy Ghost on the Apostles, and the perpetual indwelling of the same Spirit in the Church, and the very preaching of Jesus Christ, have several centuries ago, lost all their efficacy and use, to affirm which would be blasphemy. But the Only-begotten Son of God, when He commanded His representatives to teach all nations, obliged all men to give credence to whatever was made known to them by “witnesses preordained by God,”[16] and also confirmed His command with this sanction: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned.”[17] These two commands of Christ, which must be fulfilled, the one, namely, to teach, and the other to believe, cannot even be understood, unless the Church proposes a complete and easily understood teaching, and is immune when it thus teaches from all danger of erring. In this matter, those also turn aside from the right path, who think that the deposit of truth such laborious trouble, and with such lengthy study and discussion, that a man’s life would hardly suffice to find and take possession of it; as if the most merciful God had spoken through the prophets and His Only-begotten Son merely in order that a few, and those stricken in years, should learn what He had revealed through them, and not that He might inculcate a doctrine of faith and morals, by which man should be guided through the whole course of his moral life.
  2. These pan-Christians who turn their minds to uniting the churches seem, indeed, to pursue the noblest of ideas in promoting charity among all Christians: nevertheless how does it happen that this charity tends to injure faith? Everyone knows that John himself, the Apostle of love, who seems to reveal in his Gospel the secrets of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and who never ceased to impress on the memories of his followers the new commandment “Love one another,” altogether forbade any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt version of Christ’s teaching: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you.”[18]
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My school has a Christian Organization. They have invited me to join, but I have read Mortalium Animos and it clearly states that Catholics cannot be part of “ecumenical gatherings”. What should I do? I know praying with non-Catholics is sinful, but what about a Christian Organization?
You can go if your goal is to convert them to the One True Faith, which is the Catholic Faith. Remember, these people dont’ know Christ and need you to teach them. They have zero idea what they are talking about so you need to be there to set them right. Learn all you can about apologetics and get really into your faith and you might be able to save some of them.

Not everyone who claims to be a Christain is one but can be if we help them.
 
My school has a Christian Organization. They have invited me to join, but I have read Mortalium Animos and it clearly states that Catholics cannot be part of “ecumenical gatherings”. What should I do? I know praying with non-Catholics is sinful, but what about a Christian Organization?
Paragraph 7 of MA gives the proper context to paragraph 8. Read paragraph 7 carefully, and then prayerfully discern if the “Christian Organization” that has invited you to join is driven by a false ecumenism or not. Not every organization of Christians of different confessions is condemned by paragraphs 8 and 9.

And besides, MA contains matters of law, and it is possible for that law to be revised.
 
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Joannm:
It is not a sin. Even the pope has prayed with non Catholics.
Are you referring to John Paul II? He also invited pagans, animists, Voodoists, Buddhists, etc. to “pray” to their respective gods at Assisi (in other words, he invited them to commit idolatry and break the first commandment). Do you really want to use that man as an example of what is NOT a sin??
 
My school has a Christian Organization. They have invited me to join, but I have read Mortalium Animos and it clearly states that Catholics cannot be part of “ecumenical gatherings”. What should I do? I know praying with non-Catholics is sinful, but what about a Christian Organization?
I think it’s important to keep in mind the historical context of Mortalium Animos. The modern ecumenical movement had just been born as a result of several Protestant denominations gathering with the intention of building unity through common beliefs and downplaying or all together ignoring doctrinal differences. When the Catholic Church was invited to take part, of course Pius XI had to condemn it. The Church of Christ is clearly visible, but for Catholics to take part in such gatherings would require them to pretend that this visibility did not exist, or at best was made up of many different and seperate groups coming together to form one “church”. But this could not be tolerated and is still very clearly the teaching of the Church according to Vatican II:
The way and method in which the Catholic faith is expressed should never become an obstacle to dialogue with our brethren. It is, of course, essential that the doctrine should be clearly presented in its entirety. Nothing is so foreign to the spirit of ecumenism as a false irenicism, in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded (Unitatis Redintegratio 11).
It’s also important to remember that in Mortalium Animos, Pius XI was issuing a disciplinary norm, not defining doctrine. In this case it could be superceded by changes made by an ecumenical council, namely Vatican II. I would think that prayer in common would be fine, as long as it doesn’t give the impression of indifferentism. From what you describe, i’m not sure that would work with this group. God bless!
 
All of the Catholics are planning on making a statement of our Catholic faith to avoid indifferentism.
 
The main goal of the organization is to promote morality at campus. I’m thinking that this would fit under the Pius XII’s document on ecumenism where it says:
Neither does the said Monitum apply to those mixed meeting of Catholics and non-Catholic in which the discussion does not turn upon faith and morals but upon ways and means of defending the fundamental principles of the natural law or of the Christian religious against the enemies of God who are not leagued together, or where the question is how to restore social order, or other topics of that nature. Even in these meetings, as is evident, Catholics may not approve or concede anything which is in conflict with divine revelation or with the doctrine of the Church even on social questions
. If the group focuses too much on what we believe in common and ignore our difference I will quit. But our campus is very pro-choice and this was the organization that organizes all of the pro life events. I know that I will seek to convert all there. Is this acceptable within traditional Catholic teaching?
 
The main goal of the organization is to promote morality at campus. I’m thinking that this would fit under the Pius XII’s document on ecumenism where it says:Neither does the said Monitum apply to those mixed meeting of Catholics and non-Catholic in which the discussion does not turn upon faith and morals but upon ways and means of defending the fundamental principles of the natural law or of the Christian religious against the enemies of God who are not leagued together, or where the question is how to restore social order, or other topics of that nature. Even in these meetings, as is evident, Catholics may not approve or concede anything which is in conflict with divine revelation or with the doctrine of the Church even on social questions
Wow! First of all, thank you for bringing this document (“Instruction on the Ecumenical Movement”, proclaimed by the Holy Office on December 20, 1949) to my attention. I had not seen it before.

The phrase monitum, cum compertum means (if I’ve gotten my Latin correct), “warning as well as investigating”.
If the group focuses too much on what we believe in common and ignore our difference I will quit. But our campus is very pro-choice and this was the organization that organizes all of the pro life events. I know that I will seek to convert all there. Is this acceptable within traditional Catholic teaching?
If the purpose of the group is to promote morality (sexual chastity, pro-life, etc.), then they are “defending the fundamental principles of the natural law”. Be charitable in your presentation of the Catholic faith so as not to deter the members of the group who do not wish to be Catholic from continuing their efforts to promote morality in accordance with Divine law.
 
I have told them that I will not be able to do anything “spiritual” with them. I told them that I was happy to answer any question about the Catholic Faith and that I will promote it (I will be try to be charitable). I also told them I would not be able to “pray with them” but I could keep them in my prayers and their intentions. The Catholics in the group are going to read the Creed of the Council of Trent to show we do not support them being separated, but that we are in the organization to promote a culture of life on campus. I told them that talking about Catholicism and promoting the culture of life is as far as I can participate. They want to have a bible study, the Catholics in the organization are uneasy about attending that aspect. Some feel it could be used as an aid to conversion, others feel that would be getting too involved and would break the directives of the Church. I personally feel that would be too involved. What would your opinions be?
 
Pius XI didn’t know about St. Peter?SFD
Of course he did, however since you took a swipe at JP11 with your offhand remark comparing him and Pius IX, I simply wanted to point out that JP11 is in good company, since the first Pope (Peter) prayed with non-catholics (Jews).

Unfair or stupid comparison? Sure, because I am comparing what a Pope did and said in 33 with what one did and said in 1928. Same applies to comparing what a Pope did and said in 1928 with what one did and said in 1988.

The OP is looking at a 1928 document to make a 2008 decision. Joannm pointed out that you have to look at how this teaching applies today: What does “ecumenical gatherings” mean, and how is it applied. His point was that if the last two Popes (didn’t B16 pray at an interfaith “ecumenical gathering” in Assisi with non-catholics) have seen fit to pray with non-catholics then there may be room, within the sphere of prayerful determination, to look more in depth at joining this organization and not to rely solely on the document.
 
Of course he did, however since you took a swipe at JP11 with your offhand remark comparing him and Pius IX, I simply wanted to point out that JP11 is in good company, since the first Pope (Peter) prayed with non-catholics (Jews).
St. Peter invited pagans to pray to their false gods…and then prayed with them? What is the precise source for this idea?
Unfair or stupid comparison? Sure, because I am comparing what a Pope did and said in 33 with what one did and said in 1928. Same applies to comparing what a Pope did and said in 1928 with what one did and said in 1988.
No, it’s just a false comparison.
The OP is looking at a 1928 document to make a 2008 decision.
The 1928 document is valuable. Didn’t Pius XI use established principles based in scripture and divine law and the tradition of the Church to craft the encyclical? These encyclicals demand the assent of all Catholics.
Joannm pointed out that you have to look at how this teaching applies today: What does “ecumenical gatherings” mean, and how is it applied.
Yes, that’s fine.
His point was that if the last two Popes (didn’t B16 pray at an interfaith “ecumenical gathering” in Assisi with non-catholics) have seen fit to pray with non-catholics then there may be room, within the sphere of prayerful determination, to look more in depth at joining this organization and not to rely solely on the document.
Many Catholics see a contradiction in the actions of these conciliar popes and this document…are they not also bound by the principles of this document. These principles are based in the Divine law which binds all…even popes.
 
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