Mosaics of female bishops?

[bcuster]

Tantum, I am tempted not to reply because your response is so lacking in civility, let alone charity. BUT–I will try again. John Paul II may well have shut the door to female priests in the present time, but he cannot change history, and there is much evidence that the church built on Jesus’ clear overturning of the ancient norms regarding women. The writings of the early church writers contain many references to females presiding at the Eucharist. Although your quoting JPII (about women priests in our time) serves to emphasize your own outlook, it has nothing to do with interpreting the art and writings of the past.

And for what it’s worth to you, Tantum, this is all written by a female very happy to be a woman, wife, and mother.

Please site these early church writers. I have not found them. I would be happy to review such information.

 

[edwest2]

Keep in mind, Ed, the heretics started ordaining Women to the prieshood in the 3rd century… And were outside the church. Lots of evidence of “Catholic Women Priests” is actually of Gnostic and other heretical offshoots…

I am aware of the Gnostics but not of the ordaining of women priests in the 3rd Century. Any references?

Best,
Ed

 

[cmodrmac]

“The mosaic is unidentified and its provenance is unknown. The fact is, there were never women priests in the Church’s history.”

How do you know the above statement is true-sure never woman Priest’s? -there were female Deacons I believe-what about the daughters of Phillip-what precisely was Mary Magdalene-

Did Jesus lay his hands on all the Apostles directly -? or did Peter lay hands on each Apostle and the 70 -probably did not lay hands on St. Paul or did they become Priest’s just because they were the Original Apostles?

If the RC Church does not want female Priests -that is fine-you can set the rules for you Church-but your justification arguements are a bit weak

 

[MorEphrem]

How do you know the above statement is true-sure never woman Priest’s? -there were female Deacons I believe-what about the daughters of Phillip-what precisely was Mary Magdalene-

Oh Goodness, not this act of misconstruing again… While there were deaconesses, they were not ordained (i.e. did not equate to a female office of the deacon). They served to prepare women for baptism, etc. Many of the Eastern Orthodox Churches still have/restored deaconesses. As I said, they are not ordained nor do they enter the sanctuary.

Now, as for Mary Magdalene, have you ever entertained the idea she was the archetypical nun? Or even more broadly, a devote convert? To all these people who argue for female ordination, I won’t say you’re wrong but you should look into why everyone isn’t commissioned for the same thing and how there is such a thing as gender role based simply on natural disposition (I am a male, I will never be able to bear children no matter how much I want to and will probably not have the motherly inclination towards children that a hypothetical wife would either).

Edit: I would just like to conclude by saying if one says Christ did not ordain women because it would’ve been too countercultural… He got killed for such, and you’re claiming that God was limited by human will. Please reassess that. Better to argue Christ did ordain women rather than say that God Himself was limited or made a mistake.

 

[cmodrmac]

Now, as for Mary Magdalene, have you ever entertained the idea she was the archetypical nun? Or even more broadly, a devote convert?

Thank you I will mull this over-appreciate it

 

[jmcrae]

This is the mosaic.
http://sojo.net/sites/default/files/article/image/mosaic of women leaders.jpg

At first glance, they look like Christian women of high social standing.

If I had to make a wild guess, I might think that this was intended to depict Johanna, Mary Magdalene, Susanna, and Mary the mother of Jesus, as an illustration of Luke 8:2-3.

In any case, regardless of who they really are, they certainly aren’t Bishops.

 

[Brendan]

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How do you know the above statement is true-sure never woman Priest’s? -**there were female Deacons **I believe-what about the daughters of Phillip-what precisely was Mary Magdalene-:

Even that statement is false, there were Deaconess’, but they never received Holy Orders. They did not have a clerical role, but were women who were consecrated for service to others.

Several of the Orthodox Churches still retain the role of Deaconess, and they too acknowledge such women are not ordained to Holy Orders.