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GregoryPalamas
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Scott,
Thank you for this link. We shouldn’t be surprised that the Catholic church is always in the cross hairs of every secular group in the world. Darkness hates the light. Let us always be faithful. Let us always proclaim the truth.
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Thank you for this link. We shouldn’t be surprised that the Catholic church is always in the cross hairs of every secular group in the world. Darkness hates the light. Let us always be faithful. Let us always proclaim the truth.
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David_Paul
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Finally. The question is why some in the west were so eager to accept Soviet forged documents and other disinformation. Those concerning the Church were just part of the campaign. Reading “The World Was Going Our Way” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin. More than once those “confidentail sources” notable American political columnists cited were Soviet agents.
I hope what Poles have started is just the start. The crimes of communism must be exposed and the disinformation corrected.
I hope what Poles have started is just the start. The crimes of communism must be exposed and the disinformation corrected.
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GregoryPalamas
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The Soviets and many in the West colluded because they have a common enemy…the Church.
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bones_IV
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Remember how Our Lady of Fatima said that Russia would spread her errors throughout the world? This is just one example.
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David_Paul
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Check out the reviews of “The Deputy” at Amazon. The LA Times thought it wonderful. Best Christian play in years.
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bones_IV
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The Deputy is one of the most dispicable plays ever written just like the play Dario Fo wrote that was shown at the Univ. of Minnesota.
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Hello all,
I do not think that many people believe that Pope Pius XII told Hitler to halocaust the Jews.
I do believe that the Nazis, the KGB, Hezbola and many of the wicked in the world manipulated Pope Pius XII, manipulated Pope Benedict XVI, and have manipulated many Popes in the past, with death threats to keep their mouths shut about their evil wars and these Popes abliged these evil wicked monsters in fear of being killed and/or Catholics being killed.
People like Pope Benedict XVI and other German and Italian Catholics did not recieve proper teaching from Pope Pius XII as to whether or not to accept martyrdom at the hands of the Nazis in refusing to fight/participate in Hitlers unjust war. Thus, many Catholics did participate in Hitlers evil unjust war rather than accept martyrdom at the hands of the Nazis. Had millions of German and Italian Catholics accepted martyrdom rather than fight for Hitler, at the teaching of a Pope, WWII would have never came to be.
One Catholic soul, burning in hell for all eternity, is far more loss of life than the combine loss of life cut short from all the wars and martyrdoms in human history. Even if Popes like Pope Pius XII and other Popes do not see Catholics killing in unjust evil wars for evil wicked dictators bent on halocausts, as mortal sin, possibly Popes should accept martyrdom of himself and Catholics simply to save millions from death in evil dictators unjust wars.
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Here is an explanation as to how evil world leaders like the KGB, Hezbola and Nazis manipulate Popes to not speak out against their evil wicked unjust wars.The twofold symbolic weight of the killing of sister Leonella
by Lucetta Scaraffia
The dramatic killing of sister Leonella Sgorbati in Somalia on Sunday, September 16 (2006), is, unfortunately, a symbolic action of great significance. This is so for two fundamental reasons. Because, in fact, even in the absence of precise assertions, this is a matter of blackmail. And because the one assassinated was a woman, and a religious woman.
As seen in the history of the Christian persecutions, this time as well the method was chosen of striking others in the place of the one who was indicated by so many voices in the Muslim world as the main target, namely Benedict XVI, and not only because the Italian religious sister was an easier victim The explanation is found in the memorable pages of the Japanese writer Shusaku Endo, which narrate the persecution of the Christians in Japan in the seventeenth century: some Jesuits, although they were ready to die to bear witness to their faith, were forced to commit apostasy by having the Christian country people subjected to torture before their eyes. A Christian can dispose of his own life, even to the point of martyrdom – and the countless Christian martyrs of the past century demonstrate this – but not of the lives of others: the killing and torture of other Christians paralyzes the real target of the aggressive action, it gags him, it prevents him from saying and doing what would be rightfor himself, until it impedes him from martyrdom. The Japanese case is the most sensational, but there have been other, similar cases, if one only reads attentively the lives of the missionaries of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries: it’s enough to recall the Combonian missionary sisters who were held prisoner by the Mahdi in the Sudan at the end of the nineteenth century.
quoted from: chiesa.espressonline.it/d…id=85302&eng=y
I do not think that many people believe that Pope Pius XII told Hitler to halocaust the Jews.
I do believe that the Nazis, the KGB, Hezbola and many of the wicked in the world manipulated Pope Pius XII, manipulated Pope Benedict XVI, and have manipulated many Popes in the past, with death threats to keep their mouths shut about their evil wars and these Popes abliged these evil wicked monsters in fear of being killed and/or Catholics being killed.
People like Pope Benedict XVI and other German and Italian Catholics did not recieve proper teaching from Pope Pius XII as to whether or not to accept martyrdom at the hands of the Nazis in refusing to fight/participate in Hitlers unjust war. Thus, many Catholics did participate in Hitlers evil unjust war rather than accept martyrdom at the hands of the Nazis. Had millions of German and Italian Catholics accepted martyrdom rather than fight for Hitler, at the teaching of a Pope, WWII would have never came to be.
One Catholic soul, burning in hell for all eternity, is far more loss of life than the combine loss of life cut short from all the wars and martyrdoms in human history. Even if Popes like Pope Pius XII and other Popes do not see Catholics killing in unjust evil wars for evil wicked dictators bent on halocausts, as mortal sin, possibly Popes should accept martyrdom of himself and Catholics simply to save millions from death in evil dictators unjust wars.
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Here is an explanation as to how evil world leaders like the KGB, Hezbola and Nazis manipulate Popes to not speak out against their evil wicked unjust wars.The twofold symbolic weight of the killing of sister Leonella
by Lucetta Scaraffia
The dramatic killing of sister Leonella Sgorbati in Somalia on Sunday, September 16 (2006), is, unfortunately, a symbolic action of great significance. This is so for two fundamental reasons. Because, in fact, even in the absence of precise assertions, this is a matter of blackmail. And because the one assassinated was a woman, and a religious woman.
As seen in the history of the Christian persecutions, this time as well the method was chosen of striking others in the place of the one who was indicated by so many voices in the Muslim world as the main target, namely Benedict XVI, and not only because the Italian religious sister was an easier victim The explanation is found in the memorable pages of the Japanese writer Shusaku Endo, which narrate the persecution of the Christians in Japan in the seventeenth century: some Jesuits, although they were ready to die to bear witness to their faith, were forced to commit apostasy by having the Christian country people subjected to torture before their eyes. A Christian can dispose of his own life, even to the point of martyrdom – and the countless Christian martyrs of the past century demonstrate this – but not of the lives of others: the killing and torture of other Christians paralyzes the real target of the aggressive action, it gags him, it prevents him from saying and doing what would be rightfor himself, until it impedes him from martyrdom. The Japanese case is the most sensational, but there have been other, similar cases, if one only reads attentively the lives of the missionaries of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries: it’s enough to recall the Combonian missionary sisters who were held prisoner by the Mahdi in the Sudan at the end of the nineteenth century.
quoted from: chiesa.espressonline.it/d…id=85302&eng=y
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Here’s some links showing that in addition to the dingo’s doo-doo about popes being complicit with Nazi’s, that the “silence of Pius XII” is a shipwreck out of the dock as well:
ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ZPIUS12.HTM
catholicleague.org/pius/dalinframe.htm
catholicleague.org/piusxii_and_the_holocaust/howto.htm
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ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ZPIUS12.HTM
catholicleague.org/pius/dalinframe.htm
catholicleague.org/piusxii_and_the_holocaust/howto.htm
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You DO know that Pope Benedict just made a visit to Turkey despite death threats, correct? He even asked for prayers related to going to “the wolves” (The terror group the Grey Wolves…they shot JP2 ) Here’s a few links…**this man, Holy Father of the Church, was in no way acting out of fear, and to say so is either an insult, or a total lack of understanding. **
news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2018690.ece
consortiumnews.com/archive/story33.html
ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/12/desecration-of-holy-site-turkey-and.html
I began trying to address other parts of your message, but it doesn’t seem to follow rhyme or reason.
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Rather dicey links here.You DO know that Pope Benedict just made a visit to Turkey despite death threats, correct? He even asked for prayers related to going to “the wolves” (The terror group the Grey Wolves…they shot JP2 ) Here’s a few links…**this man, Holy Father of the Church, was in no way acting out of fear, and to say so is either an insult, or a total lack of understanding. **
news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2018690.ece
consortiumnews.com/archive/story33.html
ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/12/desecration-of-holy-site-turkey-and.html
I began trying to address other parts of your message, but it doesn’t seem to follow rhyme or reason.
A “right wing group” didn’t plot the murder of the Pope. The KGB ordered it. The Stasi gave the contract to the Bulgarians.
The Independent might have mentioned what prompted the Crusades, that cannibalism is not a teaching of the church and that the church has expressed deep regret over the excesses which occurred.
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The links were just the first three things that came up under a google search about “pope, turkey, and wolves.” since before his departure, the pope made a statement of going “to the wolves”.
Maybe the vatican had some intelligence on the matter? Maybe he had received warnings we don’t know about? It was an unusual statement, and one taken to mean danger.
The actual point I was rebutting the accusation that our current Pope cowered in fear under threats against his life. He did not.
I DO believe the KGB had been trying to damage our church for decades, but I got a little bit sidetracked and emotional when the inflammatory remarks about our pope started.
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