Moses killed a man.. so.. how was it he was close with God and all...?

[Omyo12]

Exodus 2:12
12 And when he had looked about this way and that way, and saw no one there, he slew the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
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Verse 12 “He slew the Egyptian”… This he did by a particular inspiration of God; as a prelude to his delivering the people from their oppression and bondage. He thought, says St. Stephen, Acts 7. 25, that his brethren understood that God by his hand would save them. But such particular and extraordinary examples are not to be imitated.*

Note that Bishop Challoner took this as an extreme example and not to be imitated
It was required for Moses to do what he did.

I see people here trying to actually justify this… quite bloodthirsty indeed.

We do not have God’s view of the way things are to make these decisions.

God, for the greater good, can will things that seem unjust in the short run. However they are required. Moses killing the Hebrew sparked a grand chain of events. It was this action that symbolically pitted him against Egypt in the first place.
Since we can’t see into the future, we have no idea of the consequences of our actions.

Also there could be spiritual implications:
Moses killed a man, failed to circumcise his son Gershom, and wasn’t a good speaker.
Not the ideal man to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and stand up against Pharaoh. Yet the Lord saw he was a righteous man and chose him.

He turned out to be the greatest of the OT prophets!!

Whodda thunk?

 

[bpbasilphx]

Do you think it would have been better had the Bible glossed over this fact or suppressed it? Rather, in a few brief words, it shows the ugliness of murder.

You can draw a parallel with St. Paul’s persecuting the Church and being an accessory to the martyrdom of St. Stephen.

The Bible, especially the OT, simply describes people they way they are, warts and all.

 

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i don’t think it was murder at all… i think he probably knew or thought that the Egyptian was going to kill the Hebrew… The reason i say this is 'cause there is no mention whatsoever of how this act affected his relationship w/ God… I think the Word would mention if it had…

Moses killed another man. But Moses killed and resisted an evil act of a long-standing evil oppressor, not an innocent stander-by. This would make his act in God’s eyes something altogether different from a cold-blooded murderer of innocent victims. He had to flee Pharoh as a fugitive to another place. He was afraid for his life when God wanted him to go back to Pharoah and be God’s messenger to him. Moses tried getting out of it, he was afraid of Pharoah and his punishment from Pharoah. But God told Moses that Moses would obey despite Moses exuses. God indirectly was allowing Moses to see he was exused by God and God would even be protected by him against Pharoah and the Egyptian law. Other people in the Bible have done bad things - Moses killed someone - but he did it to defend a helpless, innocent life from long-term evil oppressors - it was an act of resistance - like an act of resistance against evil oppressors in a war. Moses did what he did out of righteous anger and as an act of resistance - it was the beginning of a new war started, so to speak, against the oppression of the Hebrews - and God would end it with the liberation of the Hebrews through Moses, the same man who killed an Egyptian under Pharoah’s rule. God will not judge Moses as a cruel mean-spirited murderer. What Moses did was act out with righteous anger against years and years of evil oppression against his relatives. Even if it was murder, which I think it was, it was a special case - not just cold-blooded hatred of an innocent person - but the defense of life and resistance against long-term evil oppressors.

 

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so if Roeder had killed the abortionist while he was in the middle of his gruesome work… that would not be murder?

Moses and anyone killing an abortionist is considered a murderer. But Moses’ case is quite different from those men trying to kill abortionists. Are these people who are killing abortionist or trying to kill them actually just men or righteous people defending life - or are they men who have lost their minds and perspective? Moses killed a member of a group that abused his relatives for many, many years and acted out with resistance and righteous anger - did he lose his mind and perspective - maybe. But he wasn’t a psych case or even someone who normally led an unrighteous life. He is not to be put in the same category with the mentally ill or the unlawful unrighteous who take the law in their own hands when they don’t get their own way. Nothing Moses did, I’m sure, was even premeditated. He murdered, but it was an act done out of righteous anger against evil aggessors. Those women who go to abortionists seek out the abortionists. Abortion is legal under U.S. law. Nobody should be killing abortionists who are practicing with consenting humans - even though some of them aren’t adults, I’m afraid. But Moses’ relatives were not consenting to the evil done against them and had suffered for many years against an evil aggressor. Those men who try and kill abortionists are out of their mind and premeditated murder - not Moses. He may have lost his mind, but it wasn’t premeditated, the circumstances were way different - and God knows it was done by a righteous man with righteous anger - essentially exusing Moses - though God still required him to deal with Pharoah at a later time, just the same.

 

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Besides, we have a legal system in the U.S. which they did not have in Pharoah’s time. Pharoah made the law and nobody had any say. In the U.S. in the twenty-first century we have senators and representatives we can lobby and laws we can work towards changing. Those men who want to kill abortionsists should be putting their anger and energy into changing laws and creating public awareness in defense of the unborn. They should’t be taking human life.