Moses' law VS Mohammad's law

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The MAIN reason i stopped posting and visiting this forum was the onslaught of non-Catholic “Christians”, of arab descent, who came here to these forums and who post their barrage of defaming articles on Islaam, almost as if they are teaming up and just joining in numbers hoping to “outpost” the Muslims who were here.
saying the Bible is corrupt is nice in your opinion?
They completely disregard the rules of this forum and they not only post an ENTIRE article on a post, but as in this post (just one of MANY examples), they post **THREE PAGES **
from a website defaming Islaam. is quoting forbidden on this forum? i didn’t know this…so i should have changed some words and pretend they were mine?
I rarely saw a moderator take action, and in the few instances that they did, perhaps after a few warnings, those individuals were banned, only to come right back under another name.
they always take action. It is the moderator’s fault now? i’d like to see how we ( the ones who believe Jesus is the Son of God, the perverted, the unjust and who will burn in hell) are dealt with in muslim forums…maybe with the love that mohammad taught toward us?
This is very sad indeed, as there could have been, and perhaps still can be, valuable discussions between Catholics and Muslims, as there were several posters who did seem sincerely interested in educating themselves on Islamic beliefs.
yes and there are those who believe the Bible is corrupt…are you one of them?

wouldn’t be better to answer the post instead of blaming? is it always either Christians’ fault, or Jews’ fault, and now the moderators’? :confused:
 
Mr. inJESUS,

You must realise that your attitude towards other religions (especially towards Islam) is not going to gain any converts to your faith in a peaceful manner because you are actually a disgrace to your own faith. So why would any sensable, sincere and truth-seeking non-Catholic will buy your product after seeing the end result in your behaviour?

If embracing Catholicism means ending up a person like inJESUS, then I don’t see any good reason to even think anything about Catholicism, let alone knowing and embracing it.

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Justice2006 said:
Mr. inJESUS,
You must realise that your attitude towards other religions (especially towards Islam) is not going to gain any converts
do you think i’m looking for converts on a catholic site? no…thats not my intention.If you don’t know who Jesus is, it is your own loss, not mine.
to your faith in a peaceful manner because you are actually a disgrace to your own faith.
no, i’d be a disgrace if i don’t expose false teachings ( i already explained this simple idea)
So why would any sensable, sincere and truth-seeking non-Catholic will buy your product after seeing the end result in your behaviour?
and that is surely not you…coz if you were, the reaction will be different…but your agenda is clear…same posts ever, without reading anything from the responses…be truthful, everyone will be as such…keep your attitude as it is, we will keep behaving well ( for Jesus’ sake) but like many are doing, they’ll just ignore you…
If embracing Catholicism means ending up a person like inJESUS, then I don’t see any good reason to even think anything about Catholicism, let alone knowing and embracing it.
prove am a liar or a bad person…for once give a sound proof.

What about answering my post? thx

PS: you are not telling me that you don’t follow Jesus because of me, do you? so if i were “better” ( whatever that means to u), you will convert? come on…
 
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inJESUS:
do you think i’m looking for converts on a catholic site? no…thats not my intention.If you don’t know who Jesus is, it is your own loss, not mine.
Mr. inJESUS,

If you are not looking for converts/defend your Catholicism then what are you doing in this “Non Catholic Religions” sections? To distribute some candies/toffees?? and to discuss what made Holy Papacy to make the lives of God’s choosen people (the Jews) miserable in the past and why she took so long to** partially amend** her 2000 years old stance towards them for a supposed “death” of your God (Jesus)??

If you are not looking for converts/defend your Catholicism then, you should be doing something constructive as a sincere Catholic. For example you should start reading your own different versions of the Bibles which has 72~74 Books unlike **Ethiopic Bible ** which has 84 Books and unlike the Protestant Bible which has thrown out 7 spurious apocryphal books alongwith many other verses of your versions as fabrications/interpolations
…and you should think about why the latest Catholic Bible (The New American Bible) used the word “their” instead of “her” in a specific verse of Matthews’ “Gospel” ?

For your kind information, the word** “her**” is found in your another Catholic Douay Rheims Bible which is replaced with the word “their” in your latest New American Bible.]

Well “her” and “their” are two totally different words and they are not even like the terms **The Son ** (with capital ‘S’) and the servant (with small ‘s’’).

Anyway open up a new thread and I will explain this dilemma.
 
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inJESUS:
Mohammad stated that hecameto confirm the “prophets” before him…Under the thread Islam, i proved as you all already know, that mohammad did not confirm Jesus’ teachings but opposed them in the area of morality ( polygamy, divorce, eye for eye law, sex with slaves, temporary marriage, killing, stealing ,sex in paradise ecc)…

Cont…
What Thread was that? Link? Message numbers please.
 
Oh surprise surprise :rolleyes: the same Justice with the same posts 😉

care to answer this thread Mr. Justice? 🙂
 
Her and there?? go read the link given to you by Daniel and then come back here…
 
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inJESUS:
no, i’d be a disgrace if i don’t expose false teachings ( i already explained this simple idea) …
Mr. inJESUS,

In order to “expose” the false teachings of others, you have to have 100% TRUE TEACHINGS of yours about JESUS, so that by comparing the **false teachings of others ** with your 100% TRUE TEACHINGS [of Jesus] you can claim with firm rational conviction/faith that others have got false teachings and only you have got the Truth.

But unfortunately you don’t have 100% TRUE TEACHINGS of JESUS. But if you somehow claim that you do have, then you should accept Mormonism and Jehova Witnesses-ism too because if you can accept the books of unknown authors of your New Testament as genuine and authentic then on what ground you can reject the **Book of Mormon ** or the unique New World [Bible] Translation of Jehovas Witnesses and their unique interpretation?

Buddy, you are really in a mess, once you proceed with false premise/groundless argument.

You better don’t make so many hollow claims. The best you can claim is “OK. this is my Catholic faith, though I have no rational/scientific reasons to believe in…if you want to believe what I believe/brainwashed since my childhood…I would appreciate because I cannot prove why you too shoud believe what I believe”
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And once again the historical/anthropological record is ignored by the Islamic posters. I have one question for you Justice. All these cultural questions…polygamy, divorce, marrying your brother’s wife…could these be a reflection of a nomadic tribal lifestyle as opposed to an evolved organized state? Do you even understand the difference between a tribe and a state?

And as an aside, do you think that your attitudes towards Christianity and western civilzation will gain converts to Islam? This is a Catholic website. We are not out trying to convert you. On the other hand, you are here as an apologist for your faith and thusfar all you have done is confirm my faith in Christianity and western civilization. The world existed before the rise of Islam. If you really want to start throwing around history then you had better be prepared to defend your history.
 
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inJESUS:
PS: you are not telling me that you don’t follow Jesus because of me, do you? so if i were “better” ( whatever that means to u), you will convert? come on…
Mr. inJESUS,

No !! I am not saying that I don’t follow Jesus because of you.

What i am saying is though you/your Church don’t have 100% true teachings of Jesus, but your Chuch does believe in those Universal Truths which are common/found in ALL RELIGIONS and even in some NON-RELIGIOUS communities. So you atleast should abide those common Universal Truths, in order to maintain your Church’s honor/dignity since you claimed to be a Catholic if not a spokesperson or representative of Catholicism, as you are on this Catholic forum to do ‘evangelism’.

But unfortunately your behaviour is a bad name to your Church’s honor/dignity. And I don’t think your Papacy will ever consider you to allow you to speak on her behalf after seeing what you are doing and how you are behaving at this “Catholic” forum.

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SpiritIsWilling:
The basic fact is that Mohammad took what parts of the Old Testament that he liked and discarded the ones that didn’t fit his war mongering and womanizing way of life.

If Jesus says he’s the last prophet, then 600 years later someone else comes along saying that Jesus was a liar, who would you believe?
Jesus AND His earliest followers don’t just claim He was the last Prophet - they claim He was God incarnate and our Saviour and redeemer from sin. Why on earth would any more prophets be needed after Him?
 
Justice, can you prove to me that the quran you have now is the exact same one burnt by Uthman?
 
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LilyM:
. Why on earth would any more prophets be needed after Him?
coz otherwise, mohammad wouldnt have had the sexual “priviledges” as a “prophet”.
 
Justice2006 said:
Mr. inJESUS,
since you claimed to be a Catholic if not a spokesperson or representative of Catholicism, as you are on this Catholic forum to do ‘evangelism’.
:confused: evangelism? on a catholic site? no…i discuss here and i learn from other threads…absolutely no intention of evangelism.
But unfortunately your behaviour is a bad name to your Church’s honor/dignity.
again, prove it…you accused me a thousand time but never proved it.
And I don’t think your Papacy will ever consider you to allow you to speak on her behalf after seeing what you are doing and how you are behaving at this “Catholic” forum.
and who said am talking on the behalf of anyone?

Now read this :
Alwaladu katala
Alwaladu kutila
According to you, is there a difference in meaning here?
 
But unfortunately you don’t
have 100% TRUE TEACHINGS of JESUS. But if you somehow claim that you do have, then you should accept Mormonism and Jehova Witnesses-ism too because if you can accept the books of unknown authors of your New Testament as genuine and authentic then on what ground you can reject the **Book of Mormon ** or the unique New World [Bible] Translation of Jehovas Witnesses and their unique interpretation? who wrote the quran? mohammad? no…during mohammads time? no…did mohammad correct it? no…what do you make of the Shiia quran? what about Ahmadiyya ? why don’t you believe in them as well?Ghulam Ahmad gave a new interpretation to quran, why don’t you believe him? or if you were black, Nation of Islam is great for you…
 
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inJESUS:
who wrote the quran? mohammad? no…during mohammads time? no…did mohammad correct it? no…what do you make of the Shiia quran? …
Mr. inJESUS,

The preservation of The Koran was not just through written record but through WORD by WORD complete memorization in the dialect it was revealed and in the dialects it was allowed to recite and then through continuous remembrance/recitiations in the daily non-stop five times a day prayers and once every year rehearsing of whole text of the Koran during the months of Ramadhan, out of memory and verification by the listeners, right after the Koran was revealed.

The tradition of memorization of the Koran is UNIQUE and there is no such tradition attached to any other religious or non-religious book on the face of this earth in the entire known-history of the world. This Unique memorization is a **TAWATUR ** tradition which goes back to the Period of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) from our day.

At the present there are millions of Huffaaz in the world of Muslims, who knew the whole text of the Koran by heart, word by word. There are numerous Tafaasir (Commentries) too as well where in the whole text of the Koran is found.

It is only the Arabic original trext which is considered/accepted as the Koran and it is this text only which is memorized word by word.

If every written document of the Koran (Masaahif) is destroyed from the face of the earth, it is not going to change an iota of the original Arabic text of the Koran because it will be re-written, re-produced, out of memory from the hearts of those millions of Huffaz at any time and in any given period.

More Muslims live in Indonesia now in all Arab countries combined. There are more Huffaz of the Koran in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Indonesia/Malaysia than any Arab country.

What the Third Caliph after the Prophet, Uthmaan ibn 'Affaan, did was, in his period, when Islam spread rapidly in all four directions, and non-Arabs too embraced Islam, they alongwith some Arabs whose dialect/pronunciation was totally different than allowed/revealed dialects of the Koran, were **reciting ** the text of the Koran in other than revealed/allowed dialacts. When this news reached to Caliph Uthmaan, he took a very strong action. Why? Because the Koran was supposed to preserve in it’s pure form as it is since it is considered the last and Final Revelation till the end time of this earth. So he prepared official copies and were verified by the Scribes of the Prophets and Companions of the Prophet and those who knew the whole Koran by heart. There was no objection at that time to the copies made by Uthmaan. Then they were sent to different centers of Islamic Caliphate with an order to retain this original dialect/script and discard every other copy which contradicts.

The one way to retain this Original was to completly discard those copies which might create confusion. Now, were they all destroyed? Not necessarily. Some still might had in their possession who did not hear the order of Uthmaan. But what happened later? Caliphate was turned into Mulukiyyah (Monarchy) after fourth Caliph and a brief period of 'Umar bin Abdul-'Azeez. Many dynesties emerged. Some were shia or pro- Shia too. Some were not fully Islamic. But did they ever try or were able to change the text of the Koran?
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islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/
 
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Fourth Caliph 'Ali is considered by the Shias as a shia and he is the central figure in their view/theology. Did Caliph 'Ali change the text the Koran during his caliphate which was right after the Third Caliph Uthmaan? He could have done that easily if the Koran was not the same. Afterall he is considered as most brave man and most pious Muslim. Did he say: Uthmaan copies were not accurate? No. Because there was no such problem/issue at that time. On the contrary Uthmaan prompt action of preparing the copies was to retain the Originality of the Koran in pure form as such until this period there is no dispute at all in the world of Muslim.

The Safavids (1501-1722) was a Shia dynasty, were they ever try or were they able to change the Koran according to whatever view they had? No!
Even now Shias are in power in Iran; which copy of the Koran they follow even now? Ask Iranians. It is the same Koran coming down from the days of the Prophet that we all have now. Why? Because the preservation of the Koran is not left merely on the written documents nor it is kept in few people’s custody. It is preserved through a non-stop continuous memorization **word by word ** by millions in each period and through a tireless, devotional recitation in daily prayers as well besides a collective effort of written record in beautiful styles of Arabic calligraphy by the countless average to masters (Kaatibeen / Khattateen) of Arabic Script. Thus this continuous collective effort cannot allow any person to change an iota of Arabic text, other than preserving/beautification of the original text in written form (Rasm atTahreer) and through recitation (Qiraa’ah).

You need too keep in mind the whole CONTEXT of every historical period in order to reach a fair and balanced view. Keep the following few points:

Caliph Uthmaan was companion of the Prophet. Prophet’s wives were alive in Medina. So many other Companions and Taba’een were alive. The ones who prepared the official copy of the Koran were among the Scribes/Calligraphers of the first hand copy(ies) of the Surahs of the Koran during the life of the Prophet. All copies that were prepared by a committee. Many companions were present who were Huffaa****z (the ones who knew the whole text of the Koran word-by-word).

Caliph Uthman reigned from 644 until 656 and the period of the Prophet was c. 570 – 632. So even if you assume that Uthmaan prepared copies of the Koran in the year he died --i.e., 656 A.D-- then 656 - 632 = 24, it is hardly a gap of 24 years maximum after the period of the Prophet. But Uthmaan did prepared before his death. He reigned only for about 12 years.

Now compare this situtation with how Greek copies of the New Testament were written down by unknown authors and how they preserved that it was only in the 4th century after Jesus, Church had to cononised by his own standards/wish with no reasons why should someone must accept three so called synoptics and John’s gospel as the inspired word of God when they were not written by the authors to whom they are attributed. You don’t even have any saying of Jesus in his native language, in the first place in order to make sure what Jesus in fact preached. Now the rest details I am not going to explain here, you should read/know by yourself by now or try this link:

islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/

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Justice2006:
The tradition of memorization of the Koran is UNIQUE and there is no such tradition attached to any other religious or non-religious book on the face of this earth in the entire known-history of the world. This Unique memorization is a TAWATUR tradition which goes back to the Period of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) from our day.
Oooh… So “unique” is the same thing as “correct”.

It all makes sense now. :rolleyes:
 
To all those non-Muslims who mindlessly qoute from so-called "Dr."Ali Sina’s site or answering-islam site or any anti-Islam site:
Before you make a fool out of yourself, please go through the following sites:

’Doctorer’ Ali Sina Exposed
faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed.html

Islamic Awareness
islamic-awareness.org/
Bismikaallahuma.org
bismikaallahuma.org/
The True Religion
thetruereligion.org/missionary.htm
Investigating Islam
islamic.org.uk/
Muslim Answers
muslim-answers.org/
Sharif.org
sharif.org.uk/
Guided Ones
guidedones.com/
Understanding Islam
understanding-islam.org/
Examine the Truth
ExamineTheTruth.com

Christianity’s Baby God.
[Examine The Truth - Discover The Real Truth Online]](http://www.examinethetruth.com/Who_Is_God/baby_god.htm])

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Justice2006:
To all those non-Muslims who mindlessly qoute from so-called "Dr."Ali Sina’s site or answering-islam site or any anti-Islam site:
I haven’t mindlessly quoted anything. Stop getting off the subject. The funny thing is how right after you say this you proceed to blindly slap a ton of Muslim propaganda links on your own post.
 
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