Moslems offended by national holiday

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People are welcome to support any kind of law, including religious Sharia law wherever they like IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, where THAT LAW is in place.

When you come to ANOTHER COUNTRY (that is, such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, USA, etc.) then YOU NEED TO ADAPT to the local ways. (I don’t omit the UK to be mean, but heck, they keep adapting! If they continue they will be living under Sharia! Not my fault!)

But the bottom line, in the case of someone changing countries, the HOST COUNTRY has NO OBLIGATION to adapt. END OF STORY.

I have no idea why this is so hard a concept to understand. When my Father came to this country 80 years ago, it was a given. You came here, you adapted. What has changed? This is America, if you come here, you change YOUR ways, we’re not obligated to change ours!
 
I went to a muslim forum to see what they had to say on this matter, and this is one reply I found

Now this is only ONE persons point of view, but others did agree with this poster, but thankfully, not all agreed with the poster.
Im getting more and more convinced muslims will not stop until they have their laws in place, everyone subjects to islam and so on.
Can you PM me the site?
 
I’m offended by the Muslim campaign of gang rape against native women and Islamic terrorism. I’m offended that in the Islamic world idiocy like holocaust revisionism is normal to the point that the Iranian government doesn’t see a problem with uniting western anti-Semities with their eastern counterparts for a conference on the subject of holocaust denial. I’m offended that every time Muslims start a fight and lose they were the victims, and if they win then they were defending themselves. I’m offended that Muslims murder people over cartoons in a news paper. I’m offended that in the Islamic world it’s a perfectly acceptable choice to sell your daughter to sex slavers.
 
Yes, and they have all integrated into this country. I myself am an immigrant who left Cuba to escape communism. Islam is totally different. Muslims do not want to integrate and they want everyone else to bow and kowtow to their fanatical and superstitious beliefs!
Oh right, they have fully integrated. That is why there is a Little Havana in Miami, a China Town in numerous cities, a Little Italy in New York City…

And guess what? Each of those groups has defamation leagues or other similar groups that speak out when they see something they believe is unfairly characterizing their ethnic heritage. Moreover, they have their own ethnic restaurants, churches, gathering places, cultural events, etc.

Muslim beliefs are no more “superstitious” than anyone else. Chinatown in NYC celebrates Chinese New Year with firecrackers, parades complete with dragons and Shou Sui.

What about Calle Ocho in Little Havana? Hispanics play popular Latin music and wear flags from their countries of heritage. That’s hardly “integration” or “assimilation” now is it?
Good grief! Muslims checkers at Target stores won’t even scan a package of bacon, for heaven’s sake! Do you think that this type of behavior is compatible with our way of life?
And Catholics at Target pharmacies did not serve birth control. Many Americans would not view that as compatible with “our” way of life either (though I agree with the pharmacists).

Honestly, some of the messages here seem purely hateful towards Muslims.
 
Oh right, they have fully integrated. That is why there is a Little Havana in Miami, a China Town in numerous cities, a Little Italy in New York City…
We’ve a China Town in Sydney too. But I don’t see Chinese trying to convert me to being Chinese… that’s because Islam’s an ideology not a race. That ideology is opposed to being integrated.
 
I’m offended by the Muslim campaign of gang rape against native women and Islamic terrorism. I’m offended that in the Islamic world idiocy like holocaust revisionism is normal to the point that the Iranian government doesn’t see a problem with uniting western anti-Semities with their eastern counterparts for a conference on the subject of holocaust denial. I’m offended that every time Muslims start a fight and lose they were the victims, and if they win then they were defending themselves. I’m offended that Muslims murder people over cartoons in a news paper. I’m offended that in the Islamic world it’s a perfectly acceptable choice to sell your daughter to sex slavers.
I agree 100%…one can only imagine what our attitudes/policies would be if they didn’t have the oil ??? The fact that the oil WILL run out is borne out by the fact that muslims [esp.the saudies] are busy buying up real estate in western countries , at an unpresedented rate ! It’s mind boggling to think that the western governments keep quiet whilst freedoms are denied to christians living in islamic states.:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
We’ve a China Town in Sydney too. But I don’t see Chinese trying to convert me to being Chinese… that’s because Islam’s an ideology not a race. That ideology is opposed to being integrated.
Yes, the Chinese get on with their own business - if they want a Chinese New Year parade they pay for it themselves. If Muslims want something they insist the govt pay for it, and cry racism if it won’t. They try and impose their belief systems on society as a whole because that is the purpose of Muslim immigration. Thus banks stopped giving away piggy banks for example, Muslims get tax breaks for polygamy etc etc. In the Uk we saw preachers telling people they had to live in a state within a state. We see people ignoring the laws of the land and committing fraud supposedly for extracting jizya. We see proclamations about “Muslim lands” supposedly in the UK (from Trevor Brookes)!
 
In days of old we burned witches. We had an excuse then, we were ignorant. Today we do not have such excuse, we must not succomb to the temptation to make witches out of Moslems.

We owe it to our Master to make peace and show them how much we love.
Yes, we mustn’t demonise - but when you look at what Islam and Muslims freely admit to, in some cases it is quite monstrous. We mustn’t be complacent either. It is necessary to confront evil, and confronting Islam is not parallel to witchhunting, which was a rather more complex phenomenon at least partially due to the Reformation (and gender equality of course).
 
Yes, we mustn’t demonise - but when you look at what Islam and Muslims freely admit to, in some cases it is quite monstrous. We mustn’t be complacent either. It is necessary to confront evil, and confronting Islam is not parallel to witchhunting, which was a rather more complex phenomenon at least partially due to the Reformation (and gender equality of course).
No, we already confronted them before and all it led to was death and destruction. Christians(and specifically our Church), seem to have forgotten about the lessons of the battles over the Holy City, and also the persecution we dished out to the Moors in Spain. Confrontation and war will only lead to further destructions… We have to follow the pope’s lead on this because I’m sure the papacy will never forget it was the institution that incited the Crusades, which it lost anyway. “He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”…

Let the Secular government that governs the United States go in instead…

Also Alan Jones is just as much of a dumb *** Racist as Sheik Al Hilaly(the one who made those “women = meat” comments and has also done other worse things like allowed $75,000 to suspiciously “dissapear” during a trip to Lebanon).

abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1898662.htm
 
On further reflection on the words by that *&^$@ Sheik, I think it was just fitting that he’d liken muslims to animals …… those who think that just because a woman is dressed provocatively she is asking/deserving to be raped are exactly that: ANIMALS ….

On second thought, I think they are worse than animals, because as far as I know, animals have mating seasons …… needless to say, any religion that sanctions such despicable things can only be a religion of animals and for animals ……

(I apologise to cats, dogs and the rest of the animal kingdom for comparing them to rapists that have the blessing of the “religion of peace” .)
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On top of this we have various Sheiks around the place saying women who dress ‘provocatively’ deserve to be raped. Or that women are like pieces of meat. There’s no ‘calming’ influence from their leaders.

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No, we already confronted them before and all it led to was death and destruction. Christians(and specifically our Church), seem to have forgotten about the lessons of the battles over the Holy City, and also the persecution we dished out to the Moors in Spain. Confrontation and war will only lead to further destructions… We have to follow the pope’s lead on this because I’m sure the papacy will never forget it was the institution that incited the Crusades, which it lost anyway. “He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”…

Let the Secular government that governs the United States go in instead…

Also Alan Jones is just as much of a dumb *** Racist as Sheik Al Hilaly(the one who made those “women = meat” comments and has also done other worse things like allowed $75,000 to suspiciously “dissapear” during a trip to Lebanon).

abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1898662.htm
I disagree with you about the Crusades and I have no idea who Alan Jones is. Aled Jones maybe, but not Alan Jones.
 
No, we already confronted them before and all it led to was death and destruction
You are assuming I mean military confrontation?
Confrontation can take many forms. If a war was just and necessary then I would have no qualms - but that option is unlikely at the moment.
 
Oh right, they have fully integrated. That is why there is a Little Havana in Miami, a China Town in numerous cities, a Little Italy in New York City…
So what? They still abide by the laws of this country, and work and pay taxes like everyone else. Moving to another country does not mean that you have to give up your cultural heritage.
And guess what? Each of those groups has defamation leagues or other similar groups that speak out when they see something they believe is unfairly characterizing their ethnic heritage. Moreover, they have their own ethnic restaurants, churches, gathering places, cultural events, etc.
Again, so what? Are they oppressing anyone because of this? Have you heard of Hispanics, or Chinese, for instance, making demands that American restaurants offer their ethnic cuisines on their menus? Muslims on the other hand insist on “halal” foods being served to them where ever they go.
Muslim beliefs are no more “superstitious” than anyone else. Chinatown in NYC celebrates Chinese New Year with firecrackers, parades complete with dragons and Shou Sui.
And do Americans not go and watch these parades? A lot of people enjoy watching spectacles such as those. Are the Chinese forcing their heritage on others because of these parades?

I suppose believing that the devil sleeps up people’s noses at night and has to be washed out every morning, or that an angel will not enter a room if there’s a dog or a picture in it, or that the devil pees in the ears of those who fall asleep during prayer, are perfectly sensible beliefs and worthy of respect! :rolleyes:
What about Calle Ocho in Little Havana? Hispanics play popular Latin music and wear flags from their countries of heritage. That’s hardly “integration” or “assimilation” now is it?
They’re just celebrating their heritage! Are they hurting anyone by these things? Are they not working and paying taxes like everyone else and abiding by the laws of this country?

Here on the other hand is what I mean by Muslims not integrating into our society. Here is an example of what the Muslim Accommodations Task Force wants to see implemented for Muslims students in our colleges and universities:

"The task force’s eventual objectives on American campuses include the following, according to the website: permanent Muslim prayer spaces, ritual washing facilities, separate food and housing for Muslim students, separate hours at athletic facilities for Muslim women, paid imams or religious counselors, and campus observance of Muslim holidays. The task force is already hailing “pioneering” successes. At Syracuse University in New York, for example, “Eid al Fitr is now an official university holiday,” says an article featured on the website. “The entire university campus shuts down to mark the end of Ramadan.” At Henry Ford Community College in Dearborn, Mich., “halal” food – ritually slaughtered and permissible under Islamic law – is marked by green stickers in the cafeteria and “staff are well-trained in handling practices.”
At Georgetown University, Muslim women can live apart in housing that enables them to “sleep in an Islamic setting,” as the website puts it. According to a student at the time the policy was adopted, the university housing office initially opposed the idea, on grounds that all freshman should have the experience of “living in dorms and dealing with different kinds of people.” That might sound appealing, Muslim students told a reporter in an article featured on the website. But in their view, the reporter wrote, "learning to live with ‘different kinds of people’ " actually “causes more harm than good” for Muslims, because it requires them to live in an environment that "distracts them from their desire to become better Muslims, and even draw weaker Muslims away from Islam."

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016087.php

And yet these same institutions are banning anything Christian from their campuses.

Can you not see the difference between those demands and the examples you quoted? Can you see these people ever integrating into our society?? Their whole way of life sets them apart from others.
And Catholics at Target pharmacies did not serve birth control. Many Americans would not view that as compatible with “our” way of life either (though I agree with the pharmacists).
I’m glad you agree with the pharmacists. There’s a big difference between dispensing something that can kill a human life, and not scanning a package of bacon! The comparison is ludicrous!
Honestly, some of the messages here seem purely hateful towards Muslims.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Your remarks could be construed the same way.

Vickie
 
If you think that form of segregation is bad, imagine why a bookshop would need a separate section for women only? I couldn’t think of a good reason, but the local Islamic bookshop proudly boasts a separate women’s section. What next - separate aisles in the supermarket?
 
I disagree with you about the Crusades and I have no idea who Alan Jones is. Aled Jones maybe, but not Alan Jones.
yeah you probally wouldn’t thats why I gave the link. This guys is just as problematic as the Sheik is, and he’s on the opposite side.
 
yeah you probally wouldn’t thats why I gave the link. This guys is just as problematic as the Sheik is, and he’s on the opposite side.
which is just a tu quoque really, and gets us nowhere
 
which is just a tu quoque really, and gets us nowhere
Alan Jones is a right-wing radio personality on Sydney’s airwaves in the morning.

Recently he was accused by an authority of inciting the Cronulla riots (mentioned elsewhere).

This was simply not true. What he did was he read out an e-mail sent to him by one listener urging Aussies to get together in Cronulla to fight the Moslems. After reading it Alan Jones explicitly said DO NOT DO THIS. Don’t take the law into your hands.

So the authority that accused him claimed that if someone had tuned into his station at the beginning of him reading that e-mail, and turned off right at the end, they’d have got the impression that he was urging people to violence. They said that someone lisetning to his show for 27 seconds might well think that!

And then one of the people on the panel of this board (who’s from a totally different state which doesn’t get his program) said that he’d not even heard the comments in any review of them, but had simply been told about them by a colleague!

Jones’ homepage is at
2gb.com.au/index.php?option=com_homepage&id=1&Itemid=44
 
yeah you probally wouldn’t thats why I gave the link. This guys is just as problematic as the Sheik is, and he’s on the opposite side.
Coming from a person in another state who doesn’t listen to Alan Jones your comments are devoid of fact.

I listen to Alan Jones every work day morning. I at least know what he says.

I’ve seen the Media Watch* site you use and it is highly biased.

No where had Alan Jones called women anything like what the Sheik said. For those reading, who don’t know, the great Sheik said that women are like pieces of meat. He’s also here in Sydney, too.

*I am a great fan of Media Watch - of old, even when they got Alan Jones for his ‘Cash for Coments’ scandal.
 
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