Most catholic Anglicans?

[Peter_J]

Actually Wikipedia provides a straight-forward answer (which may or may not be right … you know Wikipedia). It says that “Anglo-Catholic churches that are part of the Continuing Anglican Movement” are just these 5:

Anglican Catholic Church
Anglican Catholic Church of Canada, a member of the Traditional Anglican Communion
Anglican Church in America, a member of the Traditional Anglican Communion
Anglican Province of America
Anglican Province of Christ the King

(Possibly some others, e.g. the Holy Catholic Church-Western Rite, ought to have been listed as well. I can’t say for certain.)

 

[Indifferently]

The United Episcopal Church is steadfast in its use of the 1928 Book of Common Prayer too, and does not ordain women.

 

[GKC]

I’ve been out of town for a week. I come back to find this thread, and no one has mentioned me.

Going back out of town.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

and no one has mentioned me.

Not publicly but, for what it’s worth, I’ve been calling you some interesting names in private, because I was so hurt by your lack of participation.

 

[GKC]

Not publicly but, for what it’s worth, I’ve been calling you some interesting names in private, because I was so hurt by your lack of participation.

Hasty judgement.

GKC

 

[Nine_Two]

Not publicly but, for what it’s worth, I’ve been calling you some interesting names in private, because I was so hurt by your lack of participation.

Yes, I was wondering where he was as well.

 

[Peter_J]

No, but seriously, I was hoping you would chime in.

 

[GKC]

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0201.gif

No, but seriously, I was hoping you would chime in.

I didn’t see much to say, until your last post including the Continuing Churches.

All Anglican bodies probably exhibit the Anglican spectrum. But the Continuing jurisdictions, esp. those who came out of TEC earliest (after the St. Louis meeting), are the most skewed to the Anglo-Catholic side.

The idea that only those 5 Churches listed are Anglo-Catholic, in the Continuum, is odd. As with all things Anglican, it’s complicated, but the APA is over on the reformed side, mostly. And then there are the Episcopal Missionary Church, and the Diocese of the Holy Cross, over on the Anglo-Catholic side.

And you could add the Holy Catholic Church-Western Rite, which I think has merged with the HCC-Anglican Rite. And no doubt others; I don’t keep track.

I only make general generalizations about Anglicans. I’ll say that amongst a selection of the Continuing jurisdictions you would find the closest match to the RCC. And they would vary, in that, as to degree.

GKC

 

[Indifferently]

I didn’t see much to say, until your last post including the Continuing Churches.

All Anglican bodies probably exhibit the Anglican spectrum. But the Continuing jurisdictions, esp. those who came out of TEC earliest (after the St. Louis meeting), are the most skewed to the Anglo-Catholic side.

The idea that only those 5 Churches listed are Anglo-Catholic, in the Continuum, is odd. As with all things Anglican, it’s complicated, but the APA is over on the reformed side, mostly. And then there are the Episcopal Missionary Church, and the Diocese of the Holy Cross, over on the Anglo-Catholic side.

And you could add the Holy Catholic Church-Western Rite, which I think has merged with the HCC-Anglican Rite. And no doubt others; I don’t keep track.

I only make general generalizations about Anglicans. I’ll say that amongst a selection of the Continuing jurisdictions you would find the closest match to the RCC. And they would vary, in that, as to degree.

GKC

The APCK, ACC and UECNA now largely have an agreement whereby the churches informally share jurisdiction between each other. There seems to be a move towards classical Anglicanism from Anglo-Papalism even in the high jurisdictions, with the 1928 Prayer Book Book now being much preferred over the various missals.

Meanwhile the REC has been migrating up the candle, with its Declaration of Principles being “reinterpreted” along Catholic lines. Their new BCP also includes the 1928 rite alongside 1662. Interesting times.

 

[GKC]

The APCK, ACC and UECNA now largely have an agreement whereby the churches informally share jurisdiction between each other. There seems to be a move towards classical Anglicanism from Anglo-Papalism even in the high jurisdictions, with the 1928 Prayer Book Book now being much preferred over the various missals.

Meanwhile the REC has been migrating up the candle, with its Declaration of Principles being “reinterpreted” along Catholic lines. Their new BCP also includes the 1928 rite alongside 1662. Interesting times.

It’s all like a dance. Or Brownian motion.

I’ve never seen a time when the Missals were generally preferred over the 1928. Except by my late rector. Me, I miss the Latin in the chanted Propers.

GKC

 

[cmodrmac]

Be of good Heart-the Anglican Church and its USA branch ECUSA are in schism with Rome -that is a bit different than heretical (what a fine old word) -

Many Episcopaleans consider themselves catholic in a fairly true sense -liturgy particularly-

They retain all of the Sacraments (yes general confessions for the most part-but private encouraged)

The schism became an unmovable object when ECUSA ordained women-at least from the Roman view-

The issue with gay clergy is a slippery slope and Roman catholics should not go down that road-only difference is open versus closeted

There will never be a unificaiton of the 2 denominations -the ordaination of women created a cement barrier-ECUSA can not turn back-unlikely the RC will change their policy

So ultimately it is wasted energy to discuss the topic-of Anglicans and Lutherans reuniting with the R.C. only the Missouri Synod Lutherans are in a position to unify with the RC and they see no reason to do it-

The Lutheran and Episcopal churches are wonderful old communities -we should acknowledge them as our Brothers in Christ and members of the holy -catholic and apostolic Church

 

[GKC]

Be of good Heart-the Anglican Church and its USA branch ECUSA are in schism with Rome -that is a bit different than heretical (what a fine old word) -

Many Episcopaleans consider themselves catholic in a fairly true sense -liturgy particularly-

They retain all of the Sacraments (yes general confessions for the most part-but private encouraged)

The schism became an unmovable object when ECUSA ordained women-at least from the Roman view-

The issue with gay clergy is a slippery slope and Roman catholics should not go down that road-only difference is open versus closeted

There will never be a unificaiton of the 2 denominations -the ordaination of women created a cement barrier-ECUSA can not turn back-unlikely the RC will change their policy

So ultimately it is wasted energy to discuss the topic-of Anglicans and Lutherans reuniting with the R.C. only the Missouri Synod Lutherans are in a position to unify with the RC and they see no reason to do it-

The Lutheran and Episcopal churches are wonderful old communities -we should acknowledge them as our Brothers in Christ and members of the holy -catholic and apostolic Church

I think this post might stand some nuancing.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

I didn’t see much to say, until your last post including the Continuing Churches.

All Anglican bodies probably exhibit the Anglican spectrum. But the Continuing jurisdictions, esp. those who came out of TEC earliest (after the St. Louis meeting), are the most skewed to the Anglo-Catholic side.

The idea that only those 5 Churches listed are Anglo-Catholic, in the Continuum, is odd. As with all things Anglican, it’s complicated, but the APA is over on the reformed side, mostly.

I wondered about that … not only because they don’t have the word “Catholic” in their name (not that there would be anything wrong with an Anglo-Catholic church not having that word in their name, but it would seem a bit unusual) but also because it seemed a tad unlikely that all of those 5 Churches, which together comprise about two-thirds of the Continuum, were Anglo-Catholic.

 

[Peter_J]

So ultimately it is wasted energy to discuss the topic-of Anglicans and Lutherans reuniting with the R.C.
…

In my experience, *some *discussion of (disaffected) Anglicans reuniting with Rome are good and worthwhile; but there have also been plenty of such discussions that are a waste of energy or worse – particularly discussions where the Ordinariates are regarded as the wave of the future and any Anglicans who don’t want to get onboard should have their heads examined.

On a side note, I perhaps should have worded the OP question as “Which *conservative *Anglican groups are the most catholic?”