Most Noble Science: Math or Theology?

[Moonstruck888]

How about General Studies? Or have they been abandoned in this age of excessive specialisation? I used to teach it (them!)…

We don’t have anything like that in the syllabus here.

 

[cathdoki]

Science is a method of Observe → Hypothesize → Experiment → Repeat.

I don’t see how that corrolates in any way with Theology. I don’t have a problem with intelligent design being taught in a Theology class, but there is no debate in academic circles over whether it should be taught in Biology class.

I’m sorry, but there is debate. As a scientist of 30 years I find no problem between religion and science. I fully believe in evolution, God driven. There are many theories that have never been observed. Does that mean they are not investigating? There are many miracle cures, Eucharistic miracles, people with apparitions of Mary and Jesus, and other events documented. The miracle of the sun at Fatima is one. That was even documented by Pravda (or was it Tass?) during the revolution in Russia.

I will say this, and not sarcastically, If you are wrong you will pay a price in the after life. If I am wrong, I will never know. I’ll pray for you.

 

[Moonstruck888]

There are many theories that have never been observed.

If you read a few of my other posts, you’ll have noticed in what kind of regard I hold an invalid hypothesis dressed up as a theory.

I’ll pray for you.

Save it.

 

[cathdoki]

Save it.

Sorry, ya just can’t tell me what to do.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Sorry, ya just can’t tell me what to do.

A lifetime of Atheism and Socialism alongside a libertine lifestyle, compounded with the purchase of an Italian motor car, have ensured my place in hell.

Frankly, your lord and myself have nothing in common. We have lived lives of a totally different character from each other.

 

[cathdoki]

A lifetime of Atheism and Socialism alongside a libertine lifestyle, compounded with the purchase of an Italian motor car, have ensured my place in hell. Frankly, your lord and myself have nothing in common. We have lived lives of a totally different character from each other.

Now ya see, your lumping socialism and a libertine lifestyle are not coherent. As a socialist, you should be taking much of the money you have and helping those in need.

From those according to their resources to those according to their needs

Real socialism is all about taking care of your neighbor. The libertine lifestyle? Have you ever read St Augustine?

People change. It was interesting though. I thought you would have taken a real shot at me for the

“If your wrong, if I’m wrong comment”.

God bless

 

[tonyrey]

We don’t have anything like that in the syllabus here.

I’m not surprised in view of the declining standards in education. Those who specialise too much know more and more about less and less - and are unable to relate their subject to anything else!

 

[hecd2]

I don’t agree. You select subjects that are going to be useful to you in your career and study them. What’s the point in teaching epistimology to someone who wants to learn to be a motor car mechanic? What’s the point in teaching Geology to someone who wants to learn to play a piano? What’s the point in teaching philosophy or theology to someone who wants to learn science?

It’s a rounded or a liberal education and it’s a very precious thing (quite possibly the most precious thing that I have been given in this life other than my family and close friends). What you describe is not education but vocational training, which is fine itself, but it is not education. What we should encourage our kids to do is to select subjects that they are delighted and enthralled by and, hopefully, those will define their careers, and then we should be relentless in exposing them to subjects way beyond some dismal utilitarian idea of what is ‘useful’. In this world of ever more specialised and vocational training, we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.

Alec
evolutionpages.com

 

[grannymh]

It’s a rounded or a liberal education and it’s a very precious thing (quite possibly the most precious thing that I have been given in this life other than my family and close friends). What you describe is not education but vocational training, which is fine itself, but it is not education. What we should encourage our kids to do is to select subjects that they are delighted and enthralled by and, hopefully, those will define their careers, and then we should be relentless in exposing them to subjects way beyond some dismal utilitarian idea of what is ‘useful’. In this world of ever more specialised and vocational training, we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.

Alec
evolutionpages.com

I agree from my own experience.

 

[Moonstruck888]

I’m not surprised in view of the declining standards in education. Those who specialise too much know more and more about less and less - and are unable to relate their subject to anything else!

We do general education in Elementary school here. When you start to think about careers, you have to specialize. I think that stands to reason.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Now ya see, your lumping socialism and a libertine lifestyle are not coherent. As a socialist, you should be taking much of the money you have and helping those in need.

From those according to their resources to those according to their needs

Real socialism is all about taking care of your neighbor. The libertine lifestyle? Have you ever read St Augustine?

I’m only repeating what I was told by someone who was trying to convert me, that a lifetime of atheism and communism compounded by libertine ways and the purchase of an Italian motor car have rendered me doomed.

People change. It was interesting though. I thought you would have taken a real shot at me for the

“If your wrong, if I’m wrong comment”.

God bless

I think I’ve already mentioned on this forum what I think of Blaise Pascal’s wager.

If I’m wrong and I’m judged when I die, who do you think God will like more, the vulgar fraud who made fawning professions with zero sincerity in a cheap attempt to trick him or the man who just sincerely couldn’t believe?

Which one of us is more honourable? Which one of us is more honest? Which one of us has more humility? Which one of us is more stylish, provokative and sexy?

 

[cathdoki]

I’m only repeating what I was told by someone who was trying to convert me, that a lifetime of atheism and communism compounded by libertine ways and the purchase of an Italian motor car have rendered me doomed.

I think I’ve already mentioned on this forum what I think of Blaise Pascal’s wager.

If I’m wrong and I’m judged when I die, who do you think God will like more, the vulgar fraud who made fawning professions with zero sincerity in a cheap attempt to trick him or the man who just sincerely couldn’t believe?

Which one of us is more honourable? Which one of us is more honest? Which one of us has more humility? Which one of us is more stylish, provokative and sexy?

Which one worshiped the Creator?

 

[Moonstruck888]

Which one worshiped the Creator?

Neither of us. One pretended to, one didn’t.

I assume you would believe that our thoughts are known to God? I wouldn’t be surprised, if I’m wrong, that he has a special treat in store for Blaise Pascal’s atheists.

 

[grannymh]

I’m only repeating what I was told by someone who was trying to convert me, that a lifetime of atheism and communism compounded by libertine ways and the purchase of an Italian motor car have rendered me doomed.

I think I’ve already mentioned on this forum what I think of Blaise Pascal’s wager.

If I’m wrong and I’m judged when I die, who do you think God will like more, the vulgar fraud who made fawning professions with zero sincerity in a cheap attempt to trick him or the man who just sincerely couldn’t believe?

Which one of us is more honourable? Which one of us is more honest? Which one of us has more humility? Which one of us is more stylish, provokative and sexy?

Which one did not give up seeking truth?

 

[cathdoki]

Which one did not give up seeking truth?

Very good!

 

[LogisticsBranch]

In this world of ever more specialised and vocational training, we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.

Alec

What is your definition of ‘a good life’? Did it occur to you that there are people with vocational training that have a good life? Perhaps, I am misunderstanding what you are implying by your statement and you need to expand upon it so as to give it some depth? To me it is a dead end statement. No offense meant by that. This is what I know from having experienced life: I know of people that are in the trades that belong to a union. They make a lot of money (6 figures) and have incredible benefits through the union that pass on to the spouse. They live the good life too! Travel a lot, have fun, make time to socialize and enjoy their life with family, friends, and strangers. Also, several people went through vocational training that now own more than one company. Both are extremely happy, have traveled extensively, own estates, enjoy entertaining friends and family, and are involved in charity functions. One has two vacation homes that friends and family are always welcomed to use free of charge. One vacation home I recently stayed at for a week was in a gated community where many CEO’s live. I was able to make new friends with the neighbors there and was invited to stay in their vacation homes whenever it pleased me. They extended that offer to my friends that I invited to my friend’s home. (That’s a piece of the good life.) The house I stayed in was 6,800 square feet with it’s own recreation room, tennis court, swimming pool, and spa. I should mention these friends of mine have young adults that have graduated from a university. Some decided to be active in the family business. Others decided to get married and have children. The young mothers are too busy with the kids though they do have a University degree.

This is my definition of the good life, which I consider to be just a few pieces of a rather big jig saw puzzle : Value relationships, don’t hold a grudge, never stop learning (Science is incrediable), stand by my principles, collaborate whenever possible, stay fit, laugh and have fun, work hard, volunteer, be pleasant and kind to employees, family, friends, neighbors, strangers and animals, pay the bills, and stay very close to the fact that I honestly from the depth of my inner being love God (The Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit), sing, dance, and never stop giving or sharing my life with others.

 

[cathdoki]

So you think Liberal Studies are a complete waste of time?

I don’t think I got that impression from what I’ve read. I’m a scientist. I’m not interested in taking classes on speaking Latin. That’s all I get from his answer.

 

[cathdoki]

What is your definition of ‘a good life’? Did it occur to you that there are people with vocational training that have a good life? Perhaps, I am misunderstanding what you are implying by your statement and you need to expand upon it so as to give it some depth? To me it is a dead end statement. No offense meant by that. This is what I know from having experienced life: I know of people that are in the trades that belong to a union. They make a lot of money (6 figures) and have incredible benefits through the union that pass on to the spouse. They live the good life too! Travel a lot, have fun, make time to socialize and enjoy their life with family, friends, and strangers. Also, several people went through vocational training that now own more than one company. Both are extremely happy, have traveled extensively, own estates, enjoy entertaining friends and family, and are involved in charity functions. One has two vacation homes that friends and family are always welcomed to use free of charge. One vacation home I recently stayed at for a week was in a gated community where many CEO’s live. I was able to make new friends with the neighbors there and was invited to stay in their vacation homes whenever it pleased me. They extended that offer to my friends that I invited to my friend’s home. (That’s a piece of the good life.) The house I stayed in was 6,800 square feet with it’s own recreation room, tennis court, swimming pool, and spa. I should mention these friends of mine have young adults that have graduated from a university. Some decided to be active in the family business. Others decided to get married and have children. The young mothers are too busy with the kids though they do have a University degree.

This is my definition of the good life, which I consider to be just a few pieces of a rather big jig saw puzzle : Value relationships, don’t hold a grudge, never stop learning (Science is incrediable), stand by my principles, collaborate whenever possible, stay fit, laugh and have fun, work hard, volunteer, be pleasant and kind to employees, family, friends, neighbors, strangers and animals, pay the bills, and stay very close to the fact that I honestly from the depth of my inner being love God (The Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit), sing, dance, and never stop giving or sharing my life with others.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Which one did not give up seeking truth?

The atheist did not give up seeking the truth.

The fraud commits the idiocy of assuming that a being capable of creating the human mind would be gullible enough to fall for a common garden variety confidence trick.

 

[LogisticsBranch]

Thanks for the thumbsup Cathdoki. Very thoughtful of you. It’s a pleasure to meet you. It reminds me of the odds for success in most any endeavor improve dramatically when given sufficient focus. My focus is on valued relationships.