Most Protestant scholars value Sirach more than some Scripture??

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I read an interesting quip from the Protestant NETBible research website about the book of Sirach:
the bulk of modern Protestant scholars set a much higher value upon [Sirach] than they do upon many books in the Protestant Canon (Chronicles, Esther, etc.)
The article does not expound on who some of these Protestant scholars might be, but it suggests that most of them put Sirach higher than Scripture! Anyone know who these might be? And what do some of you non-Catholic Christians think of that? Bogus?
 
I read an interesting quip from the Protestant NETBible research website about the book of Sirach:The article does not expound on who some of these Protestant scholars might be, but it suggests that most of them put Sirach higher than Scripture! Anyone know who these might be? And what do some of you non-Catholic Christians think of that? Bogus?
I followed your link but did not see waht you are quoting (too lazy to spend a lot of time looking). What is meant by “higher” than Scripture. Esther, I can see as less pithy than Sirach. But Chronicles? I ask you! That is a REALLY important book. But I’m not much in the business of making “better” and “worse” judgments about the Bible!
 
I read an interesting quip from the Protestant NETBible research website about the book of Sirach:The article does not expound on who some of these Protestant scholars might be, but it suggests that most of them put Sirach higher than Scripture! Anyone know who these might be? And what do some of you non-Catholic Christians think of that? Bogus?
I have no idea as to why this would be true. I accept all of them listed and even other Scriptures such as the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch, although they are only in the canon of the Egyptian Coptic Church as far as I know. I’m not a “normal” protestant I guess anyway 🙂

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MW
 
I followed your link but did not see waht you are quoting (too lazy to spend a lot of time looking).
It is in the middle of the paragraph under “II. Canonicity” if you would like the context.
 
I use the Oxford Study Bible with the Apocrypha/Deuterocanicals(sp) in it. Most of the Friends I know use the RSV with the “expanded canon” in their study.
 
It is in the middle of the paragraph under “II. Canonicity” if you would like the context.
Ah. He explains it quite well. I quibble with his statement that it was “never” part of the Jewish canon. While technically that is true, the door on the Jewish canon wasn’t locked until the 4th Century.
 
It is in the middle of the paragraph under “II. Canonicity” if you would like the context.

**Here ? - **​

II. Canonicity.

Though older than both Dan and Esther, this book was never admitted into the Jewish Canon. There are numerous quotations from it, however, in Talmudic and rabbinic literature, (see a list in Zunz, Die Gottesdienstlichen Vortrage(2), 101 f; Delitzsch, Zur Geschichte der jud. Poesie, 204 f; Schechter, JQR, III, 682-706; Cowley and Neubauer, The Original Hebrew of a Portion of Ecclesiasticus, xix-xxx). It is not referred to explicitly in Scripture, yet it is always cited by Jewish and Christian writers with respect and perhaps sometimes as Scripture. It forms a part of the Vulgate (Jerome’s Latin Bible, 390-405 A.D.) of the Tridentine Council and therefore of the Romanist Canon, but the Protestant churches have never recognized it as canonical, though the bulk of modern Protestant scholars set a much higher value upon it than they do upon many books in the Protestant Canon (Chronicles, Esther, etc.). It was accepted as of canonical rank by Augustine and by the Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397, 419), yet it is omitted from the lists of accepted books given by Melito (circa 180 AD), Origen, in the Apostolic Canons and in the list of the Councils of Laodicea (341 and 381). Jerome writes in Libri Sol.: “Let the church read these two books (Wisdom and Sirach) for the instruction of the people, not for establishing the authority of the dogmas of the church.” It suffered in the respect of many because it was not usually connected with a great name; compare the so-called “Proverbs of Solomon.” Sirach is cited or referred to frequently in the Epistle of James (Jas 1:2-4–compare Sirach 2:1-5; Jas 1:5–compare Sirach 1:26; 41:22; 51:13 f; Jas 1:8 (“double minded”)–compare Sirach 1:28, etc.). The book is often cited in the works of the Fathers (Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Augustine, etc.) and also in the Apostolical Constitutions with the formula that introduces Scripture passages: “The Scripture says,” etc. The Reformers valued Sirach highly, and parts of it have been incorporated into the Anglican Prayer-book.
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    **Books are valued for different reasons - so that choice is not something Protestants need to defend. (Or Catholics, many of whom probably are of the same mind.) ****To think that Sirach is more valuable than Esther, does not imply anything about the canonical status, or lack of it, of either - some canonical books are of lower quality or value in various ways than some that are not in the canon. Is that so remarkable ? **
 
To think that Sirach is more valuable than Esther, does not imply anything about the canonical status, or lack of it, of either - some canonical books are of lower quality or value in various ways than some that are not in the canon. Is that so remarkable ?
Perhaps, perhaps not. I guess that’s why I asked if anyone knew who these “bulk” of Protestant scholars were or even 1 or 2 of them so I can see in what context they place greater value on the book.
 
I think we have to define the “value” the author is speaking of, which it doesn’t appear that we know at this point. Saying that some scholars “value them” one way or another doesn’t tell us much.

Peace…

MW
 
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