Mother of God

[Rafik_Gabriel]

Well, our non catholic brothers and sisters always criticize our veneration to Mary. Here is a video that explain and also prove from the Holy Scriptures the title of the Mother of God.
youtube.com/watch?v=T6EzxUKbP50&feature=youtu.be

 

[Swiss_Guy]

When Elizabeth calls Mary the “Mother of our Lord”, you’d assume that would be enough.

 

[SecretaryMonday]

When Elizabeth calls Mary the “Mother of our Lord”, you’d assume that would be enough.

My Methodist friend explains it this way: Mary is the mother of Jesus’s human nature, not His divine nature; so in this sense, she is certainly the Mother of Our Lord, but NOT the Mother of God. (I told her that we believe Jesus is one Person with two natures; my mother is the mother of me as a person, not just my nose or mannerisms.)

 

[TimothyH]

My Methodist friend explains it this way: Mary is the mother of Jesus’s human nature, not His divine nature; so in this sense, she is certainly the Mother of Our Lord, but NOT the Mother of God. (I told her that we believe Jesus is one Person with two natures; my mother is the mother of me as a person, not just my nose or mannerisms.)

Your Methodist friend is making a common mistake.

That his two natures are inseperable is clear from the fact that he rose from the dead.

Mary was his mother before he died and after he rose from the dead.

-Tim-

 

[R_C]

My Methodist friend explains it this way: Mary is the mother of Jesus’s human nature, not His divine nature; so in this sense, she is certainly the Mother of Our Lord, but NOT the Mother of God.

Maybe you can mention to him the argument presented in CCC 466 (all emphasis mine):

The Nestorian heresy regarded Christ as a human person joined to the divine person of God’s Son.

Opposing this heresy, St. Cyril of Alexandria and the third ecumenical council, at Ephesus in 431, confessed "that the Word, uniting to himself in his person the flesh animated by a rational soul, became man.

"Christ’s humanity has no other subject than the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it and made it his own, from his conception.

For this reason the Council of Ephesus proclaimed in 431 that Mary truly became the Mother of God by the human conception of the Son of God in her womb: “Mother of God, not that the nature of the Word or his divinity received the beginning of its existence from the holy Virgin, but that, since the holy body, animated by a rational soul, which the Word of God united to himself according to the hypostasis, was born from her, the Word is said to be born according to the flesh.”

So your friend stands right in his statement: she is “he mother of Jesus’s human nature, not His divine nature”, and in that sense she is the mother of the Lord but not the mother of God:

not that his divinity received the beginning of its existence from the holy Virgin

However, there is another reason for her also being true mother of God, and it is substantiated by the reason you point out:

Christ’s humanity has no other subject than the divine person of the Son of God

by the human conception of the Son of God

the Word is said to be born according to the flesh

since the holy body, animated by a rational soul

was born from her

Mary truly became the Mother of God

 

[sllhouette]

My Methodist friend explains it this way: Mary is the mother of Jesus’s human nature, not His divine nature; so in this sense, she is certainly the Mother of Our Lord, but NOT the Mother of God. (I told her that we believe Jesus is one Person with two natures; my mother is the mother of me as a person, not just my nose or mannerisms.)

I’m always amazed that many protestants adopt such old heresies. It is almost like they are so opposed to the Church that they refuse to acknowledge when she is right. Which of course leads some to think, “Of course those heretics were right, they opposed the Church.” It is sad really.

 

[KP3243]

Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Whether Protestants like it or not she is their mother. As Mother Thersea said love Mary like Jesus loved Mary and love Jesus like Mary loved Jesus.

 

[tabycat]

The Eastern Church refers to the Virgin Mary as “God Bearer”.

 

[KP3243]

I honestly have never understood why Mary is such a scary person to protestants. If anything finding her the slightest bit scary is giving the devil some power over you. I am 100% certain Jesus never once was scared of his mother.

 

[R_C]

I honestly have never understood why Mary is such a scary person to protestants. If anything finding her the slightest bit scary is giving the devil some power over you. I am 100% certain Jesus never once was scared of his mother.

I don’t think they are scared of her, but of the idea that they may be offending God by idolatry or apotheosis. In this consists the heresy, for us Catholics know that we do not honor the Blessed Virgin with adoration or latria (“which, according to the teaching of the faith, belongs to the Divine nature alone”) but with hyperdulia, which literally means “more than veneration” - since “veneration” or dulia is reserved for the saints.

St. Thomas Aquinas wrote:

Reverence is due to God on account of His Excellence, which is communicated to certain creatures not in equal measure, but according to a measure of proportion; and so the reverence which we pay to God, and which belongs to latria, differs from the reverence which we pay to certain excellent creatures; this belongs to dulia

Wherefore dulia, which pays due service to a human lord, is a distinct virtue from latria, which pays due service to the Lordship of God. It is, moreover, a species of observance, because by observance we honor all those who excel in dignity, while dulia properly speaking is the reverence of servants for their master, dulia being the Greek for servitude

 

[Rafik_Gabriel]

Great Faith guys.
I would like to share with you another of my videos, about the true presence of Christ in the most Holy Eucharist.
youtube.com/watch?v=8iu87EqrxMU&feature=youtu.be

 

[JimG]

This Marian doctrine is mainly about Jesus, not Mary. If she is not the mother of God, then Jesus is not God.

If you told your mother than she is only the mother of your human nature, but not YOU, she might be insulted. In fact that would not even be accurate, because your mother did not create your soul, which is part of your human nature. But she is the mother of a person, not a nature!

 

[Jerry-Jet]

Mary is the Mother of God–not the incubator of God.

“All generations shall call me blessed”–not “all generations shall me totally depraved and infested with sin”.

Here’s a challenge to some of you Protestants out there: Have a meeting at your church and decide whether it would be a good thing at your next worship service to call Mary Blessed or call her “totally depraved and infested with sin”.

Ask yourselves what you truly believe about her and what your denomination thinks about her.

Pray and ask God if she was blessed or totally depraved and infested with sin!

The Catholic Church for 2,000 years has taught that she is ever blessed–not depraved–none of us are–and not infested with sin.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

My Methodist friend explains it this way: Mary is the mother of Jesus’s human nature, not His divine nature; so in this sense, she is certainly the Mother of Our Lord, but NOT the Mother of God. (I told her that we believe Jesus is one Person with two natures; my mother is the mother of me as a person, not just my nose or mannerisms.)

So apparently Jesus is our Lord but not God also? But he’s also our God.

I can’t see the logic in this; and all for trying to saying that Mary isn’t the Mother of God.

 

[Rafik_Gabriel]

Well, Protestants and other christian denominations, today about 4000 must decide if they, as they always pretend, believe in the Bible.
If so, they should declare openly that Mary, according to the Bible and the words of Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, namely the Mother of my Lord - kirius, as I explained in my humble video - She is the Mother of God.
They cannot divide Christ in two persons: one divine and one human. As they already did with the Church. Jesus Christ is one. As I said before a unique human person called Jesus Christ does not exist.
Rafik Gabriel

 

[thistle]

Great Faith guys.
I would like to share with you another of my videos, about the true presence of Christ in the most Holy Eucharist.
youtube.com/watch?v=8iu87EqrxMU&feature=youtu.be

Yes but that is off topic. Start a new thread for those.

 

[JonNC]

This Marian doctrine is mainly about Jesus, not Mary. If she is not the mother of God, then Jesus is not God.

If you told your mother than she is only the mother of your human nature, but not YOU, she might be insulted. In fact that would not even be accurate, because your mother did not create your soul, which is part of your human nature. But she is the mother of a person, not a nature!

Well said, Jim. The Incarnation doesn’t exist if the Blessed Virgin is not the Mother of God.
From the Lutheran Confessions:

On account of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed Virgin, bore not a mere man, but, as the angel [Gabriel] testifies, such a man as is truly the Son of the most high God, who showed His divine majesty even in His mother’s womb, inasmuch as He was born of a virgin, with her virginity inviolate.** Therefore she is truly the mother of God, and nevertheless remained a virgin.**

Jon

 

[thistle]

Well said, Jim. The Incarnation doesn’t exist if the Blessed Virgin is not the Mother of God.
From the Lutheran Confessions:

Jon

Also from Luther…

“. . . she is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God. . . .** it is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God.”**
Ref: Sermon on John 14. 16: Luther’s Works (St. Louis, ed. Jaroslav, Pelican, Concordia. vol. 24. p. 107)

 

[bitznbitez]

If the Christ was God, and if the mortal flesh and the divinity coexisted from the beginning, and if Mary was his Mother, then Mary is the Mother of God.

And by extensions the bride of God, the King of Kings is called a Queen, the Queen of Heaven.

The difference between Mary, the mortal yet full of grace mother OF God, and what was spoken of negatively in the OT as Queen of Heaven is that in that case the OF falls off and in the pagan cultures it became Mother God, not mother OF god.

It seems so simple to me now… didn’t always…