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I watched this documentary on Mother Teresa last night. It was about her life in general and about the fact that she struggled with faith and the lack of it all her life. I think there is a book about her doubts which I’m looking for but I was totally surprised to hear this.
A priest explained that that often occurred to Saints in the past though and often if someone is really close to God he will go through darkness. I’m just reading the Diary of Sister Faustina and she was also struggling at times but Mother Teresa seemed to be struggling all her life.
 
I think we all struggle with faith faith at some point. I think it happens the closer we get to God the more we realize we don’t really see. Like seeing the mountain for the trees. If you stand off miles away and look at the majesty of the Mountains it is nothing but an amazing view. So you want to be closer to this grandure. Bu the closer you get the less of the whole you see. Untill you are right inside the mountain and see the trees. Yes you are right next to the mountain, but no longer see it. I think this is like our ability to understand, see, and have faith in God. Saints just have this struggle to see the mountain from the trees more often.
 
Is faith the right word? I understand she went for a prolonged period feeling an absence of
God’s presence.
 
Is faith the right word? I understand she went for a prolonged period feeling an absence of
God’s presence.
I believe you are correct. I have never seen anyone say Mother Theresa ever doubted or questioned her faith. Early in life, shortly before founded the Missionaries of Charity, she had an intense religious experience where she deeply felt the presence of God. It was this experience that prompted her to do so much of her work. But, afterward she seldom had such experience. Rather, the opposite. It seemed God was not speaking to her. This is what Mother Theresa struggled with. Not if God existed, but why he no longer made his presence known to her in such a way as he had once done.
 
I believe you are correct. I have never seen anyone say Mother Theresa ever doubted or questioned her faith.
Here are a few examples of what she wrote:
  • “Where is my Faith — even deep down right in there is nothing, but emptiness & darkness — My God — how painful is this unknown pain — I have no Faith — I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart — & make me suffer untold agony.”
  • “So many unanswered questions live within me afraid to uncover them — because of the blasphemy — If there be God — please forgive me — When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven — there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives & hurt my very soul. — I am told God loves me — and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. Did I make a mistake in surrendering blindly to the Call of the Sacred Heart?”
  • “I feel just that terrible pain of loss, of God not wanting me, of God not being God, of God not really existing.”
  • “What do I labor for?” she asked in one letter. “If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.”
I want to get the book “Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light: The Private Writings of the “Saint of Calcutta”…
 
What great merit she must have gained to ‘feel’ no presence of God, to have no consolations, yet continued faithfully for decades to do a difficult task. Daily. What a tremendous example she has left us, to continue on the task regardless of how we feel.
 
I watched this documentary on Mother Teresa last night. It was about her life in general and about the fact that she struggled with faith and the lack of it all her life. I think there is a book about her doubts which I’m looking for but I was totally surprised to hear this…
her faith never wavered. What has been revealed as her writings and testimony have come to light is that her consolation in the Lord in prayer, and the surety she experience of a brief moment that he personally called her to the vocation with the poor she undertook, were taken from her and she lived out her life in spiritual darkness. That is NOT a loss of faith, rather it is strong faith in the face of no experience of consolation in prayer. It is a trial many saints have gone through.
 
To understand what Mother Teresa experienced and what she is speaking about in Come Be My Light one should read the writings of Jordan Aumann, OP on the meaning of spiritual theology.

Mother’s experience is a privilege that is granted to very few souls. The Holy Spirit draws the soul into the darkest moment of the crucifixion where Christ confronts the powers of darkness and death. At that moment, there is no consolation, no feeling, no emotion, only darkness, what feels like the absence of God.

The reality is that one is totally surrounded by God, because one is in the center of the struggle for man’s soul with Christ crucified. God has granted the soul the unique privilege of being with Christ and experiencing his desolation on the cross. The soul that remains faithful will also experience his triumphant entry into glory.

Very few souls have been privileged with this experience. The most famous are: Paul, Francis, Teresa of Avila, Terese of Liseux and now Mother Teresa.

It must be something about the name “Teresa”. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
To understand what Mother Teresa experienced and what she is speaking about in Come Be My Light one should read the writings of Jordan Aumann, OP on the meaning of spiritual theology.

Mother’s experience is a privilege that is granted to very few souls. The Holy Spirit draws the soul into the darkest moment of the crucifixion where Christ confronts the powers of darkness and death. At that moment, there is no consolation, no feeling, no emotion, only darkness, what feels like the absence of God.

The reality is that one is totally surrounded by God, because one is in the center of the struggle for man’s soul with Christ crucified. God has granted the soul the unique privilege of being with Christ and experiencing his desolation on the cross. The soul that remains faithful will also experience his triumphant entry into glory.

Very few souls have been privileged with this experience. The most famous are: Paul, Francis, Teresa of Avila, Terese of Liseux and now Mother Teresa.

It must be something about the name “Teresa”. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Wonderful information. Thank you!
 
I haven’t seen this movie about Mother Teresa played by Oliver Hussey yet but I just found it on Youtube as a complete movie and decided to post it here for those who might be interested:
youtube.com/watch?v=PK2BfVAQkqo
Ms. Hussey did an excellent portrayal of Mother Teresa and the writers stayed very close to the actual facts. They filled in very little. It’s I very good movie.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
To understand what Mother Teresa experienced and what she is speaking about in Come Be My Light one should read the writings of Jordan Aumann, OP on the meaning of spiritual theology.

Mother’s experience is a privilege that is granted to very few souls. The Holy Spirit draws the soul into the darkest moment of the crucifixion where Christ confronts the powers of darkness and death. At that moment, there is no consolation, no feeling, no emotion, only darkness, what feels like the absence of God.

The reality is that one is totally surrounded by God, because one is in the center of the struggle for man’s soul with Christ crucified. God has granted the soul the unique privilege of being with Christ and experiencing his desolation on the cross. The soul that remains faithful will also experience his triumphant entry into glory.

Very few souls have been privileged with this experience. The most famous are: Paul, Francis, Teresa of Avila, Terese of Liseux and now Mother Teresa.

It must be something about the name “Teresa”. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
WOW. Makes me quake at the very idea of such an experience of profound darkness and void. To me, that sounds like what hell must be like.
 
To understand what Mother Teresa experienced and what she is speaking about in Come Be My Light one should read the writings of Jordan Aumann, OP on the meaning of spiritual theology.

Mother’s experience is a privilege that is granted to very few souls. The Holy Spirit draws the soul into the darkest moment of the crucifixion where Christ confronts the powers of darkness and death. At that moment, there is no consolation, no feeling, no emotion, only darkness, what feels like the absence of God.

The reality is that one is totally surrounded by God, because one is in the center of the struggle for man’s soul with Christ crucified. God has granted the soul the unique privilege of being with Christ and experiencing his desolation on the cross. The soul that remains faithful will also experience his triumphant entry into glory.

Very few souls have been privileged with this experience. The most famous are: Paul, Francis, Teresa of Avila, Terese of Liseux and now Mother Teresa.

It must be something about the name “Teresa”. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Brother, how close can one outside of monastic life approach this?

What I really mean to ask is, is contemplative prayer approachable, or even possible for us on the outside?

It seems like there is too much in the way.

-Tim-
 
Ms. Hussey did an excellent portrayal of Mother Teresa and the writers stayed very close to the actual facts. They filled in very little. It’s I very good movie.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I have the opportunity to watch Youtube movies on my TV. I’m going to watch it later on. Oliver Hussey once played Julia in Romeo and Juliet in the classic movie from 1968 btw.
 
WOW. Makes me quake at the very idea of such an experience of profound darkness and void. To me, that sounds like what hell must be like.
In a manner of speaking it can be. However, in fact, it the singular moment in time when history is changed for all eternity, for the all powerful Father, has submitted his co-eternal son to face the darkness of sin, to break its chains and restore to mankind the dignity that was lost by Adam’s fall. In essence, the mystic is participating in Christ’s hour of triumph over sin. You cannot triumph over an enemy unless you look straight into his eyes.
Brother, how close can one outside of monastic life approach this?

What I really mean to ask is, is contemplative prayer approachable, or even possible for us on the outside?

It seems like there is too much in the way.

-Tim-
My child, everyone can contemplate, but only very special souls are given the grace of sharing Christ’s triumph over sin in their lives. That is not a grace that we can earn, ask for or make happen. It is freely given by the Father only to select souls, to those souls who can tolerate it.

That being said, to contemplate first of all cultivate silence, interior silence. Speak not and think not of things that take away your peace. The problems of the world and of the Church are not your problems. Mother, never made them her problem. Her approach was radically different from our own. She saw what everyone else sees as problems, scandals, errors, evils and sins as a call. She paid very special attention, always asking God to allow her to hear what he wanted her to do and God told her. In the end, it was a call not to fix the world, but to heal the world, one person at a time.

I believe, that those of us who are here on these Traditionalist threads often miss this dimension of the Christian life. We try to fix what we perceive to be broken. Mother did not do that. She never made the poor less poor, the sick well, or kept the dying from death. The poor remained poor, the sick healed if it was God’s will, and the dying died. What she did was to find Jesus in all of those situations. How did she find him? By taking him there. She took Jesus into the chaos, though prayer, love, charity, trust, and above all, through obedience to the Church. She heard the Church’s proclamation of the Gospel and she lived it. When others were distressed, she took the words of St. Francis and applied them, “Make me an instrument of peace.”

If one observes the life of Mother Teresa she never spoke about charity, orthodoxy, rules, canons, Councils, rubrics and all the other things of which we speak. She found such conversations tedious and refused to engage in them. She, on the other hand, was charitable, was faithful, was obedient, was orthodox and was heroic in her practice of virtue, without engaging in nonsense discussions. That’s why you will never see a Missionary of Charity sister or Missionary of Charity brother on these forums or engaged in discussing the issue of the Church and the world.

Mother taught them to contemplate, to watch and see Jesus in every situation and to bring Jesus to every situation. While the rest of the Church and the world struggled and debated, Mother simply smiled and arched her eyebrows. She often said that she did not understand the problem. “It is all so simple. If God wants it, it will happen. If he does not want it, it will not happen.”

The true contemplative is one who can look at the world, the Church, and the problems to be found in both without making them a problem for himself or herself. Instead, he or she asks, “Where is God?” Then he pays attention to God. He see problems as windows to find God. He prays that he will not miss seeing God in every situation. To do this, one must embrace silence, charity, detachment, especially from one’s ideas and wishes so as to attach oneself to whatever Christ says through the Church.

This can certainly be achieved outside of the cloister. Many lay people have been contemplatives and reached great sanctify. One of my favorite lay contemplatives was Bl. Pierre Giorgio Frasatti.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
In a manner of speaking it can be. However, in fact, it the singular moment in time when history is changed for all eternity, for the all powerful Father, has submitted his co-eternal son to face the darkness of sin, to break its chains and restore to mankind the dignity that was lost by Adam’s fall. In essence, the mystic is participating in Christ’s hour of triumph over sin. You cannot triumph over an enemy unless you look straight into his eyes.

My child, everyone can contemplate, but only very special souls are given the grace of sharing Christ’s triumph over sin in their lives. That is not a grace that we can earn, ask for or make happen. It is freely given by the Father only to select souls, to those souls who can tolerate it.

That being said, to contemplate first of all cultivate silence, interior silence. Speak not and think not of things that take away your peace. The problems of the world and of the Church are not your problems. Mother, never made them her problem. Her approach was radically different from our own. She saw what everyone else sees as problems, scandals, errors, evils and sins as a call. She paid very special attention, always asking God to allow her to hear what he wanted her to do and God told her. In the end, it was a call not to fix the world, but to heal the world, one person at a time.

I believe, that those of us who are here on these Traditionalist threads often miss this dimension of the Christian life. We try to fix what we perceive to be broken. Mother did not do that. She never made the poor less poor, the sick well, or kept the dying from death. The poor remained poor, the sick healed if it was God’s will, and the dying died. What she did was to find Jesus in all of those situations. How did she find him? By taking him there. She took Jesus into the chaos, though prayer, love, charity, trust, and above all, through obedience to the Church. She heard the Church’s proclamation of the Gospel and she lived it. When others were distressed, she took the words of St. Francis and applied them, “Make me an instrument of peace.”

If one observes the life of Mother Teresa she never spoke about charity, orthodoxy, rules, canons, Councils, rubrics and all the other things of which we speak. She found such conversations tedious and refused to engage in them. She, on the other hand, was charitable, was faithful, was obedient, was orthodox and was heroic in her practice of virtue, without engaging in nonsense discussions. That’s why you will never see a Missionary of Charity sister or Missionary of Charity brother on these forums or engaged in discussing the issue of the Church and the world.

Mother taught them to contemplate, to watch and see Jesus in every situation and to bring Jesus to every situation. While the rest of the Church and the world struggled and debated, Mother simply smiled and arched her eyebrows. She often said that she did not understand the problem. “It is all so simple. If God wants it, it will happen. If he does not want it, it will not happen.”

The true contemplative is one who can look at the world, the Church, and the problems to be found in both without making them a problem for himself or herself. Instead, he or she asks, “Where is God?” Then he pays attention to God. He see problems as windows to find God. He prays that he will not miss seeing God in every situation. To do this, one must embrace silence, charity, detachment, especially from one’s ideas and wishes so as to attach oneself to whatever Christ says through the Church.

This can certainly be achieved outside of the cloister. Many lay people have been contemplatives and reached great sanctify. One of my favorite lay contemplatives was Bl. Pierre Giorgio Frasatti.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Thank you Bro JR. This is one of those posts Im gonna save and meditate on.
 
Yes, thanks, JR. This was a good antidote to a couple of toxic topics in the news affecting Catholics right now-- well, I guess it is good for all times. 🙂
 
Yes, thanks, JR. This was a good antidote to a couple of toxic topics in the news affecting Catholics right now-- well, I guess it is good for all times. 🙂
Unfortunately, human beings love bad news. I’m beginning to wonder if bad news has become a “legitimate” form of gossip. If you notice, people don’t just tell you that Mrs. Blum killed her victim in the kitchen with the wrench and leave it at that. They have to drone on about why she did it. Then they go into a defense of Mrs. Blum and a condemnation of her victim or they go the other way. They canonize the victim and tear Mrs. Blum apart.

The same thing happens with religion. It’s not enough to say what happened, when, who and why as we know it. We all have to insert our opinions and speculation.

I can see why God elevates some people to the height of mysticism, to protect them from the rest of us. The mystics live life like the game of Clue. They’re only interested in the known facts, not in speculation and argument. For them, the most important fact is love.

The sisters tell two interesting stories about Mother. One was when she went to Europe to visit her sisters in Rome and found out about the mess with the SSPX excommunications. The sisters were shocked, as were many of us. Mother calmly listened to the story. When the sisters had finished she asked them, “What does this have to do with our vocation?” That was the end of that conversation.

There was another time when she was asked about Communion in the hand and she said that she continued to receive it on the tongue, because it was an act of reverence. When asked if her sisters and brothers would be bound to receive Communion on the tongue, she replied that she was neither the Holy Father nor a bishop; therefore she could not and would not discourage what the Holy Father and the bishops allowed. What is rather interesting is that if you ask the Missionaries of Charity why they receive COTT, they tell you, “Because Mother did it.” They never think about tradition. They’re answer is simple. The Matriarch did it and she’s to be imitated, no discussions about the pros and cons, no discussions about rules and regulations. Only thing is important, fidelity . . . to Mother and to the Church.

The Christian life is so simple. If God wants it, he will make it possible. If he does not not, then he’s not very interested. Spiritual Theology teaches us that only the soul that has the wisdom of simplicity will ever be granted the grace to share in the darkness of the Passion. To do so and to survive, one has to be reduce faith to the most simple element . . . obedience.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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