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Recently, I posted about the drama that occurred with my family and I. This post is about the aftershock. Since I have stopped contact with my toxic narcissistic mother, she tried her best to keep tabs on me without having to ask me how I am doing (i.e. without acknowledging my feelings). After answering her factual questions with factual answers, she got annoyed at me and tried to get me to argue with her again. I decided not to engage her. Most recently, she completely ignored my birthday. No call, no text, no card, no e-mail. I know she is mad because I refuse to engage her in her manipulative games, but really? She cant even say Happy Birthday? I want to have a good healthy relationship with her but she doesn’t even want to hear the fact that she has hurt me. She throws a tantrum. She becomes violent. I really really wish her approval, encouragement and love didn’t mean so much to me. But, it really hurts not having my mom to talk to. Besides turning to Mother Mary to be my maternal figure, what is a girl to do? I feel broken and ashamed. I want to go to counseling just to have extra support in healing, but is there any advice for a situation such as this? 😊
 
Since I have stopped contact with my toxic narcissistic mother
I know it’s hard, but it doesn’t sound like you have actually “stopped contact” with her.
After answering her factual questions with factual answers
It’s a start!
Most recently, she completely ignored my birthday. No call, no text, no card, no e-mail.
And since you’ve cut contact with her, this is what you want, right?
She cant even say Happy Birthday?
And… she’s sucked you back in. Emotional manipulation is in play here.
I want to have a good healthy relationship with her
That isn’t possible if she has narcissistic personality disorder or one of its cousins.
but she doesn’t even want to hear the fact that she has hurt me. She throws a tantrum. She becomes violent.
She isn’t capable. It’s like wishing your dog would discuss the evening news with you.
I really really wish her approval, encouragement and love didn’t mean so much to me.
But, it really hurts not having my mom to talk to. Besides turning to Mother Mary to be my maternal figure, what is a girl to do? I feel broken and ashamed. I want to go to counseling just to have extra support in healing, but is there any advice for a situation such as this? 😊
Yes, please go to counseling. You need a professional to help you process through your mom’s NPD.
 
Dear Annie,
If she were able to, she would wish you a heartfelt happy birthday. Since she can’t, I will wish it for her, and on behalf of myself (I have two daughters) and Our Mother Mary.
May you have a blessed day(or month, since the day has passed!) in celebration of your birthday, and many more.

God bless and keep you.

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Recently, I posted about the drama that occurred with my family and I. This post is about the aftershock. Since I have stopped contact with my toxic narcissistic mother, she tried her best to keep tabs on me without having to ask me how I am doing (i.e. without acknowledging my feelings). After answering her factual questions with factual answers, she got annoyed at me and tried to get me to argue with her again. I decided not to engage her. Most recently, she completely ignored my birthday. No call, no text, no card, no e-mail. I know she is mad because I refuse to engage her in her manipulative games, but really? She cant even say Happy Birthday? I want to have a good healthy relationship with her but she doesn’t even want to hear the fact that she has hurt me. She throws a tantrum. She becomes violent. I really really wish her approval, encouragement and love didn’t mean so much to me. But, it really hurts not having my mom to talk to. Besides turning to Mother Mary to be my maternal figure, what is a girl to do? I feel broken and ashamed. I want to go to counseling just to have extra support in healing, but is there any advice for a situation such as this? 😊
Follow your instincts and go to counseling. During the 1 year 8 month rift between my mother and I, I always sent her a gift at Christmas and her birthday with a card. She utterly ignored me. It was very painful. Even now that we are now speaking, I know that I haven’t fully forgiven her. I am in counseling. I started it because I didn’t think things would get better, and I’ve stayed with it because even though they have (on the surface, at least) gotten better I am still in pain over how she treated me all that time. And I certainly can’t talk to her about it. It would only lead to an argument, and perhaps another estrangement, and it’s very unlikely she’ll ever recognize that she did anything wrong.
 
My mother is also abusive. I cut contact with her almost four years ago. Haven’t spoken with her or communicated in any way since.

I don’t miss her per se, any my life is much calmer without the alcoholism and generally sociopathic behavior she tends to exhibit. I am immeasurably glad that she has never met her grandchildren.

Nonetheless, I can’t say it gets easy, exactly. Especially since I’ve become a mother, I often feel as though I have a huge hole in my heart, one that time can scar over a bit but not fully heal. I want my mom–well, not my mom, but a mom who I could call when DD is being very two, or who could be happy with me when I have my babies, or who even cared if I lived or died. I don’t have that, I’ll never have that, and that’s something that I’ve accepted, but it still hurts.

What helps?

–Continuing to be no-contact. Mothers should love their children and wish the best for them, but mine doesn’t and isn’t capable of that. Asking her to be a normal mother is like going to the grocery store and throwing a grade-A tantrum at a clerk because they don’t carry designer shoes: it’s not realistic, and it’s asking someone to do something she can’t. Getting involved in the dysfunction and drama won’t make the hole in my heart heal; it will just make it bigger and more raw.

–Allowing myself to grieve that I essentially don’t have a mother, but also distracting myself after acknowledging those feelings by doing something productive–cooking, crafts, working out, etc.

–Focusing on being the mother I wish she was to my own kids. Bad memory of mom screaming at me or belittling me? Make sure I give my kids extra cuddles and praise. Memory of mom never spending any sort of quality time with me and always being too busy to do so? Build blocks or make brownies or read stories or have a dance party with DD. I can’t do anything about what sort of mom she is, but I can work hard at being a better mom myself.

Oh, and a heads-up about holidays: those are…mixed, still. My birthday’s pretty good, usually, but Christmas and Thanksgiving and Easter are all hard for me. I don’t like them. Too many sad memories, too much loneliness–DH’s family is wonderful, but it’s not the same as having your own.

Not unlike dealing with memories, I find that the two things that work best for holidays for me are to a) be gentle with myself, and do lots of self-care around them (good food, working out, finding fun things to do and doing them), and b) to focus on making other people’s Christmasses happy rather than expecting mine to be, and finding some joy in that. Look for the “forgotten” people and plan little surprises for them–cookies, or a Christmas care package, cards, that sort of thing. Keeping busy is much better, I discovered, than spending too much time thinking. DH and I are also working on starting a few traditions of our own; over time, I hope to love Christmas again, but won’t give myself a hard time if that doesn’t happen.
 
A part of me just wants to find a substitute maternal figure. Someone who I can be friends with but who is older and more wiser than me. But I know the chance of me finding a person like that is very little. One thing I forgot to mention in the original post is that I got quite ill before my birthday and my sibling knew about it and I am sure my mom heard, but I still only got silence. And as far as the silence goes, I don’t want it, but I am doing it because if I engage her there will only be more tension and manipulation and I need to distance myself from that in order to heal. But like I said, I don’t want it. I wish she could just me a mother to me.

The one thing about going to therapy that I don’t like so much is the cognitive behavioral therapy. I rather just talk things through with a spiritual adviser and counselor. I’m carrying a lot of shame with me about this. I try not to bring it up to much to my husband but the wounds are still raw. Sometimes talking about it is the only thing that will help. Another thing is that right now I cant afford to go to therapy so I have to put it off until I have the money to do so.
 
There are different kinds of talk therapy. I didn’t make much progress with cognitive behavioral therapy, either. I did much better with dialectical behavioral therapy. Some professionals think it’s only useful for extreme personality disorders, but I used it successfully for mild depression and anxiety. Worth looking into. Codependency may be another topic worth researching.

The other advice you’ve been given is really good and I hope you find it helpful. Please be assured of my prayers.
 
A part of me just wants to find a substitute maternal figure. Someone who I can be friends with but who is older and more wiser than me. But I know the chance of me finding a person like that is very little. .
I also had/have a toxic relationship with my mom. Most of the abuse started when I was young. It ended when I was 15 and my father found out what mom was doing to us (physically and emotionally abusive) She still is emotionally abusive from time to time. She’s usually incapable of empathy. But then sometimes she feels remorse about it. I don’t know how real it is, so I’m very careful about what I say to her about my life. When I do visit her, it’s more like a “Reader’s Digest/Waltons/ Happy Days” version of reality. Things she can’t rip me to pieces for.

I have certainly found substitute maternal figures! Lots and lots of them. Maybe get involved with your local CWL (Catholic women’s league) There you will find women, who by their very nature, want to help people. Getting out of my own skin and letting my past hurts shape the way I am compassionate is how I am healing. I volunteer in a ministry that reaches out to women in active addiction and prostitution. In that way, I recognize the woundedness and connect in a way that as an instrument of the Holy Spirit, and fully trusting in God, praying with these beautiful wounded ones actually heals us both.

I pray the same for you. I hope you can let God take your past and turn it into a gift of mercy, understanding and love to someone else. 🙂
 
A part of me just wants to find a substitute maternal figure. Someone who I can be friends with but who is older and more wiser than me. But I know the chance of me finding a person like that is very little. One thing I forgot to mention in the original post is that I got quite ill before my birthday and my sibling knew about it and I am sure my mom heard, but I still only got silence. And as far as the silence goes, I don’t want it, but I am doing it because if I engage her there will only be more tension and manipulation and I need to distance myself from that in order to heal. But like I said, I don’t want it. I wish she could just me a mother to me.

The one thing about going to therapy that I don’t like so much is the cognitive behavioral therapy. I rather just talk things through with a spiritual adviser and counselor. I’m carrying a lot of shame with me about this. I try not to bring it up to much to my husband but the wounds are still raw. Sometimes talking about it is the only thing that will help. Another thing is that right now I cant afford to go to therapy so I have to put it off until I have the money to do so.
Oh, don’t give up hope on that. I’ve been blessed with a number of women mentors in the past few years who have become second (and third, and fourth) mothers to me. A couple of women from Church, a couple who are neighbors, my boss’ wife, and my mother-in-law.

I know what you mean about silence from your mom when you were sick. I’ve been sick since last August (and very sick since April of this year). My mom knew about it and couldn’t be bothered to contact me. We discuss it now, now that she’s speaking to me (which occurred because my dad died in July), but she has never acknowledged that she ignored me for months (and in my opinion the stress of the estrangement made me sicker).

The type of therapy I’m doing is talk therapy coupled with EMDR. You can choose the type of therapy you want to do, when you get ready to do it.
 
Happy (belated) Birthday! 🍰

The part of your post that sticks out to me is that you wanted your mother to acknowledge your birthday. I don’t relate to much of what you wrote because I had a wonderful mother, but I relate to the birthday because my mom forgot my birthday once. She was very sick, and it indicated to me that my mom was far sicker than I’d realized. And she was. She was hospitalized shortly after that and diagnosed with a serious disease. I’d known my mom wasn’t well, but it was her forgetting my birthday that helped my realize she had something more serious going on.

Your mom is not well. You already seem to realize that, but you probably did not yet realize how unhealthy she really is. It hurts. I know it hurts. If your mother was healthy, she would have wished you a happy birthday. She couldn’t. It’s a reflection of her health.
 
I’m new to the board and I had to first go read your previous thread … I was pretty astonished because in reading your opening post it sounded exactly how my mother used to treat me when she was alive … she did pass away a long time ago though when I was only 21 … and I am 55 today. However, have to tell you that I look at these years of her being gone, and I can’t say that I missed out on anything. The abuse would have just kept going on, and I’m sure she would have started trouble in my marriage. So I am at peace with the fact that I lost her the same year I married.

There are some people in this world that are just damaged … most likely through no fault of their own … something that happened to them in their childhood … which I know was the issue with my mother. But you see, you can’t fix it … you can’t fix the issues that your mother has … and you can’t allow her to destroy your life bit by bit with her own issues.

I was lucky enough to have a husband who when I spoke about my mother always told me that that was not how a mother was supposed to be … and then my new mother-in-law explained to me that that was not what a mother was supposed to be. I went to counselling to get over losing her, and dealing with all the negative thoughts of her that I had from being abused by her for so many years throughout my entire childhood. It took 5 years of counselling to get over her, but I finally did … and the great thing was that while I was in counselling I was also learning how to mother my own child that I had just had … so the cycle was broken and my daughter grew up with a loving mother.

I suggest that you seek counselling for yourself … so that you don’t take your mother’s problems on yourself … and so that you find a way to walk away from a very bad situation.

May God Bless You.
 
Long long ago someone and think it was a doctor, said to me I did not have a MOTHER but a SMOTHER and reading some of these posts reminds me of that.

When I was a young teacher ( centuries ago…) one of the middle aged teachers who I realise now was anorexic ( we kept out private lives very private in those days) could not even go out in the evening as her “s- mother” who she still lived with became “Ill”

I made the break as I could not cope with the situation I was in but still feel some guilt.
 
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