Moto Proprio

[TNT]

I disagree.

The protestant claim that the sacrifice of the Mass is not a true sacrifice is exactly the same as the claim that the, so-called, traditionalists are making when they say that the normative Mass is invalid.

We have protestants at both ends of the spectrum. The ultra-liberal and the ultra-conservative.

This is so twisted I’m having trouble reading it.

1. the Protestants claim that THERE IS NO ACTUAL, REAL SACRIFICE of the NT.
2. SOME traditionalists hold that the NOM does not sufficiently express Catholic DOGMA of the Real Sacrifice of the NT.
   They are not even on the same planet in this regard.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

This is so twisted I’m having trouble reading it.

1. the Protestants claim that THERE IS NO ACTUAL, REAL SACRIFICE of the NT.
2. SOME traditionalists hold that the NOM does not sufficiently express Catholic DOGMA of the Real Sacrifice of the NT.They are not even on the same planet in this regard.

No, some “traditionalists” hold that the normative Mass is invalid, so they make the claim that no sacrifice occurs at all.

And really some are worse as they claim that the normative Mass is evil and destructive.

Just another form of protestantism. Placing themselves as the authority.

I understand that some have a preference for the old Latin Mass. I have gone to it on occasion. My main issue is with those who claim that the Church is in error and that can not grant me the same “rights” in my preference for the normative Mass as I grant them in their preference.

Think I am done here as this thread, as all threads of this sort, is doing nothing but rehashing old ground.

As someone said this is nothing more than http://deephousepage.com/smilies/deadhorse.gif

 

[TNT]

Well, Since you are Byzantine Catholic, the NOM is really not an issue as it is for Roman Rite catholics.
I assume you don’t even bother attending the NOM.
I attend 2 masses only:

1. The Byzantine/Basil DL
2. The TLM.
   So, in effect I do not worry about the NOM either.

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Now if you were to QUIT attending the Byzantine Catholic DL, and stayed with the NOM I could see where you had a dog in this discussion. As it is, you argue for the NOM, then avoid it for the most part.
The NOM is A-tradtional & Ecumenical from its Hat to its boots. The Byzantine Catholic DL & the TLM are traditional.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Well, Since you are Byzantine Catholic, the NOM is really not an issue as it is for Roman Rite catholics.
I assume you don’t even bother attending the NOM.
I attend 2 masses only:

1. The Byzantine/Basil DL
2. The TLM.
   So, in effect I do not worry about the NOM either.

You are aware of what you make yourself when you assume?

You assume wrongly. If you would just look at my signature you would see that I am in formation with a Latin religious order so you are way off base.

Now if you were to QUIT attending the Byzantine Catholic DL, and stayed with the NOM I could see where you had a dog in this discussion. As it is, you argue for the NOM, then avoid it for the most part.

I believe that this sort of comment is inappropriate at this forum. I am a Catholic so I do have a right to an opinion.

And again, you speak of what you do not know.

As for your last post, that the Canon was to counter the protestant argument that there is no actual real sacrifice in the
NT, is wrong. If it was so then the Canon would have said that there is a real sacrifice in the NT, but the Canon never mentions the NT, it only mentions the Mass. So the Canon, very obviously is there to counter all those who say that there is no sacrifice in the Mass.

Most protestants I know say that the Crucifixion was a sacrifice.

 

[TNT]

If you don’t get the idea that the Mass IS the Sacrifice of the NT I can’t help ya.
I used it they way Protestants use it when they deny the Mass is a REAL sacrifice.

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Now all ya haf ta tell us that you attend the NOM the majority of the time n I’l shut up.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

If you don’t get the idea that the Mass IS the Sacrifice of the NT I can’t help ya.
I used it they way Protestants use it when they deny the Mass is a REAL sacrifice.

Right, protestants deny that the Mass is a Sacrifice. I already agreed with that. So do many “traditionalists” when they say that the normative Mass is invalid.

Now all ya haf ta tell us that you attend the NOM the majority of the time n I’l shut up.

I do not see why it is necessary for a Catholic to defend himself in this way especially when the moderators have commented on this but…

Seeing that I am in formation with a Latin religious order what Mass do you think I attend daily?

Not only do I think you should shut up on this but I think you owe me an apology.

It is attitudes like yours that keep me away from the TLM and keep me away from changing Churches to the Latin Church.

But it doesn’t matter because you have just earned your way onto my ignore list.

 

[Rykell]

And, Ma’am TNT,

Could you please refrain from using text messaging lingo? Your posts are very difficult to read. I thank you so much. :tiphat:

 

[paramedicgirl]

Right, protestants deny that the Mass is a Sacrifice. I already agreed with that. So do many “traditionalists” when they say that the normative Mass is invalid.

It’s actually sedevacantists who deny the NOM is valid. Traditionalists just *prefer *the TLM. I’m getting pretty tired of hearing that trads deny the validity of the NOM. It’s not only getting old, it’s actually rather offensive to be painted with the same brush all the time.

 

[BobP123]

Validity isn’t everything and “just passing” is nothing to brag about. We want the full honor and glory as Catholics.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

It’s actually sedevacantists who deny the NOM is valid. Traditionalists just *prefer *the TLM. I’m getting pretty tired of hearing that trads deny the validity of the NOM. It’s not only getting old, it’s actually rather offensive to be painted with the same brush all the time.

But there are some users here who style themselves traditionalists who deny the validity. That is why I put the word in quotes.

But your not the only one who is growing tired of things here nor who finds things offensive.

 

[threej_lc]

A long long time ago, in a galaxy far away, this thread was about the motu proprio…

Overcome by the dark side of the force it has become, yes.

 

[bear06]

It’s actually sedevacantists who deny the NOM is valid.

We rather agree on most things but I can’t agree with you here. While I think all sedevacantists deny the Novus Ordo Mass is valid, there are a small (at least I believe this to be so)percentage of people who still claim the Pope is the Pope and deny the validity of the Novus Ordo. Like I said, small percentage but there are some none the less. Of course I think they’re just sedevacantists in denial but they deny this to the hilt. Whatever they are, they deny that they are sedevacantists.

 

[Jo_Benedict]

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This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion.