Motu Proprio

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I read for the first time our Holy Father’s Motu Proprio: Summorum Ponticum. Praise be to God for our Holy Father. The real question however, is do you think that this beautiful privilege is being used?
 
It is being used a lot; though, not as much as it could (or should) be. There are some statistics out there showing a dramatic increase in the avaliability of the Extraordinary Form since the Motu Proprio was issued. Hopefully, we will see more EF Masses soon.
 
Jacob21 said:
I read for the first time our Holy Father’s Motu Proprio: Summorum Ponticum. Praise be to God for our Holy Father. The real question however, is do you think that this beautiful privilege is being used?
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It is here. I live in The Archdiocese of LA, and before the Motu Propio the EF was greatly suppressed. It was only allowed at a couple of churches, but those churches only had it one weekend a month. A couple more here now have it. I just found one 15 miles from my house that does. According the website, it was started right after the Motu Propio was released. That means, they had been wanting to do it but weren’t allowed.
 
Thinking positively, the EF is way more available now. Near me there are two Sunday TLMs, one Saturday afternoon (early afternoon, not vigil), and a Low Mass every weekend, at different Churches. In neighboring boroughs there are other Sunday TLMs available.

However compared to the number of people that want this, and compared to the # of people who don’t know they want this but could really use the exposure to it, it’s VASTLY vastly vastly underused.

Then consider countries like India where you can’t find the EF anywhere except in a very suppressed or hushed way, or with the SSPX. In the US I always counsel people to avoid SSPX since you can find the EF celebrated in union with Rome. But in India, I think I myself would go to an SSPX chapel, since the diocesan leadership seem not to care at all about preserving tradition or even helping out people who still have that attachment.

I was recently in Colombia (2009) and a priest I talked to seemed not to know (and didn’t believe me when I told him) that the 1962 missal wasn’t completely illegal. Forget SP, this guy didn’t even know about Ecclesia Dei!!
 
Quebec has an EF-only parish now. That’s solid proof of the Motu Proprio in action.
 
newyorkcatholic said:
Then consider countries like India where you can’t find the EF anywhere except in a very suppressed or hushed way, or with the SSPX. In the US I always counsel people to avoid SSPX since you can find the EF celebrated in union with Rome. But in India, I think I myself would go to an SSPX chapel, since the diocesan leadership seem not to care at all about preserving tradition or even helping out people who still have that attachment.
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A while back, there was a [thread=386286]thread[/thread] in another forum here that touched on the issue of inculturation in India. If the EF is a rarity there, that issue would seem to explain why.
 
Yes, its much more available. There is still a long way to go before it is “widely available”, but it can be seen now in most Dioceses.

Could you even imagining discussing an EF Mass at a parish council meeting prior to 2007, let alone watching one on EWTN.
 
Not only is it being used, in my archdiocese it’s actually impacting on the OF Masses as well, which I think was an effect His Holiness was hoping for.

At least two parishes in my neighbourhood have introduced a fair whack of Latin into their vernacular OF Masses (any or all of the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei being in Latin). And one of them has a completely-in-Latin OF every Sunday now.
 
Here in Central Massachusetts, (Diocese of Worcester) until the Motu Proprio the only TLM were at the St. Benedict Center and St. Ann’s in Still River, part of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary religious order. There were none in any parishes in the diocese that I was aware of.

For the last 6 months we have had a weekly 8 AM EF Mass at Immaculate Conception Church in Fitchburg. This is a High Mass (Missa Cantata) with a full choir which does a wonderful job with Gregorian Chant and traditional Mass settings. The priest Fr. Phillipson who is from the FSSP is great. A whole Latin Mass community has evolved as a result. Normally we have coffee after Mass in the church hall (currently suspended due to renovations) which gives a great opportunity to meet other traditional Catholics.

immaculateconceptionfitchburg.com/
 
The parish I’m frequenting now recently flip-flopped the Latin Mass and the Spanish Mass. Before Aug the Latin Mass was at 1pm, the Spanish Mass at 9:30. And now the Spanish Mass is at 12:30pm and the Latin Mass is at 9:30am (vernacular readings). The total attendance for both Masses has increased substantially. Meanwhile the 11:00am English Mass attendance has been unaffected. You can draw your own conclusions from that but I thought it was a brilliant move on the priest’s part to do that.
 
LilyM said:
At least two parishes in my neighbourhood have introduced a fair whack of Latin into their vernacular OF Masses (any or all of the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei being in Latin). And one of them has a completely-in-Latin OF every Sunday now.
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Never have heard the Kyrie in Latin. Heard it Greek, though. 😃
 
Jacob21 said:
I read for the first time our Holy Father’s Motu Proprio: Summorum Ponticum. Praise be to God for our Holy Father. The real question however, is do you think that this beautiful privilege is being used?
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Even though we in England, have suffered from liberalism for many years, and even though my Bishop in the Diocese of Brentwood is more liberal than many, we have an EF Mass in my own Parish, which he himself instigated. So yes, it seems even in my small corner of the globe, Summorum Ponticum has both filtered through, and had a dramatic effect!
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At 38, I had never experienced the EF Mass, now I am a bit of a devotee and my two eldest sons were Confirmed in the EF last November! You can check out some photos here if you like facebook.com/album.php?aid=129619&id=625772451&l=f029cb5f83 It was a beautiful ceremony and lovely to share the event with so many Catholics who take their faith seriously!
 
FightingFat said:
Even though we in England, have suffered from liberalism for many years, and even though my Bishop in the Diocese of Brentwood is more liberal than many, we have an EF Mass in my own Parish, which he himself instigated. So yes, it seems even in my small corner of the globe, Summorum Ponticum has both filtered through, and had a dramatic effect!
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At 38, I had never experienced the EF Mass, now I am a bit of a devotee and my two eldest sons were Confirmed in the EF last November! You can check out some photos here if you like facebook.com/album.php?aid=129619&id=625772451&l=f029cb5f83 It was a beautiful ceremony and lovely to share the event with so many Catholics who take their faith seriously!
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This is none of my business, but was that the diocesan bishop himself in the photos? The reason I mention it is that, if it was he, he looked rather more comfortable in the EF than the above description would warrant. And of course that makes one wonder: could he be a secret supporter? 🙂
 
malphono said:
This is none of my business, but was that the diocesan bishop himself in the photos? The reason I mention it is that, if it was he, he looked rather more comfortable in the EF than the above description would warrant. And of course that makes one wonder: could he be a secret supporter? 🙂
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No, it was George Stack, who is an auxiliary of Westminster. Our Bishop did allow the EF, and has asked one priest I know to say the Mass, so he can’t be all bad! 😉
 
LilyM said:
Pardon, I should’ve said ‘Greek and/or Latin, whichever option is appropriate’ 🤷
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How would the Kyrie sound in Latin. I wonder.

I know the Kyrie in Spanish is
Senor tien piedad.
Cristo tien piedad.
Senor tien piedad.
 
PacoG said:
How would the Kyrie sound in Latin. I wonder.
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Miserere Dominus
Miserere Christus
Miserere Dominus

But the Kyrie has been Latinized to some extent so I’d have no problem in keeping the Kyrie in its original form. Or is it the other way around with the Greek and the Latin? 🙂
 
Not being used in our diocese at all yet. Bishop is against it. We are the only diocese in our state of Pennsylvania which does not have a Latin mass. The Catholic college in the diocese might have one on Friday mornings, but I believe that has stopped.😦
 
It was, a start.

My cradle Diocese has it present, not in every parish, but i don’t think anyone is more than 10 miles away.

My current Diocese, it’s a disaster. Very liberal Priests, NO masses so bad I can’t even go. There’s one EF Mass, at a chapel in the cemetery. I’m almost ready to start going to a SSPX Chapel, FSSP doesn’t seem to have one nearby.

One day, Deo volente, they will mandate the EF and shelf the NO.
 
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