Movie about Islam

[Sister_Amy]

So the picture is doctored?

So when you say “Radical Islam” you are talking about the Statue of Liberty?

Evidently it does. Sorry, Muslim apologists always make the claim that there are no clergy in Islam and no pope, etc. (not true, but that would be a digression). So whatever Muslim claims to represent Islam, as Usamah b. Ladin et alia, we have to take him at their word.

If you can’t or won’t distinguish, then you will be lumped with them.

So basically… you’ll believe whatever you hear? Moo.

If you aren’t intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between me and “Usamah b. Ladin et alia” then… yikes. Well you said it.

That a question you Muslims have to answer. We will respond accordingly.

It was a rhetorical question. I’m sorry you don’t know the meaning of “fundamental.” Maybe you should look it up.

Ah, the devil is in the details. Most find forcing your son to divorce his wife so you can marry him, well…

So… you have no response without attacking Islam?

Do you get al-Jazirah? (btw, the station is NOT as anti-American as made out, it is NOT the mouthpiece of al-Qaidah, and it often gives the Christians a visible part in Arab media).

I don’t have time to watch TV. Can you answer my question? Do we have spies in Al-Qaida study circles?

So you all are all one happy family. We’ll respond accordingly.

You are really the embodiment of a person who has totally succumbed to propaganda, who views Muslims as monolithic (didn’t someone in this very thread just say that Muslims are NOT monolithic?) evil people across the board.

I have to say, I’m not impressed.

 

[Sister_Amy]

That’s a huge assumption on your part. You skipped over my mention of Abu Hamza and went straight to Al-Sudais.

Tell me, are Hamza’s sermon’s “extreme”? Do they represent Islam in general, or is he a person who has interpreted it to mean something most don’t believe it to, and has taken to an “extreme” level?

I believe the latter.

“Radical Islam” isn’t a myth. Islamic Terrorism is a testament to that fact. Whether you like it or not (their form) of Islam is the motivation in a good deal of these attacks.

Who is Abu Hamza? That’s why I skipped him, I don’t know who he is or what he says or anything.

Secondly, terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It has everything to do with politics and foreign affairs, and international injustices committed on a global scale.

 

[ralphinal]

A couple of points. I’ve never heard Muslims advocate the things you claim. I’m listening. I’m listening to teachers from Saudi Arabia, I’m listening to a student of Imam Sudais for example, but also students of many other scholars in KSA. So with my ear there shouldn’t I be hearing these things? And I’m not.

That non-Muslims should convert or be enslaved? I have absolutely never heard a Muslim advocate that. Never.

That anything outside of Islam is evil? Okay I have heard a scholar say that women can’t ride dirt bikes and I thought that was kind of wacky… lol. In Islam (i.e., Shari’ah) everything fits in to 5 categories. Obligatory, recommended, permissible, disliked, and forbidden. There is no category called “evil.” And all things are considered to be permissible unless there is proof that they are disliked or forbidden. So in general things aren’t evil just for not being “in Islam.”

I have never seen any proof that if a woman doesn’t cover she should be killed. And in Islam, something like that would require proof. But what I do see, quite often, is people sensationalizing certain events, tying them to Islam, calling the players involved by different labels. And it’s fundamentally unfair to view these situations from only one side and make assumptions. Some things in Islam are forbidden–absolutely forbidden–but in life or death situations it becomes not just permissible, but even obligatory to do them. To preserve life. That is Islam.

But what you see taped isn’t Islam. It’s politics. And to say Islam is more politics than religion shows a misunderstanding of Islam at a fundamental level, and a misunderstanding of global affairs today, I think.

And lastly–it is not compulsion to just want someone to convert. I’m sure many people on this forum would like me to become a Catholic. But they do not compel me to do so. There is no compulsion. And as everyone on this board should have read by now, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ is explicit in the Qur’an. And if anyone thinks he can kill people for not converting, and call it jihad, then he does not understand jihad and he doesn’t understand the Qur’an. It’s that simple.

Everything you say may be accurate. It does not change the fact that there are those in Islam who are not looking for peace or an internal jihad. You can say that it is not True Islam or it is not the religion but political, but it is these people who have used the name to define themselves. They wrap themselves in Islam for better or worse.

Conversion may or may not be a good thing. It depends on why and where you go. You say no cumpulsion, yet the laws say male Muslim apostates are killed. Christians cannot openly practice in many Muslim countries. Churches are burned.

Here is the problem as I see it, and you will probably disagree. There are crazy, hatefull people in all faiths. Some of them do violence in the name of their faith. It may not represent the faith. it might. I cannot say without all evidence. Some of the crazy, hatefilled Muslims have banded together. They are unified and organized. They are, compaired to what is shown as Islam, radical. We call them radical Muslims. regular Muslims do not like that. Instead of kicking them out or hunting them down, they ignore or shield them and try to make the victoms look like the attackers. That needs to end. Peaceful Muslims need to take back their faith.

 

[scipio337]

Who is Abu Hamza? That’s why I skipped him, I don’t know who he is or what he says or anything.

Secondly, terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It has everything to do with politics and foreign affairs, and international injustices committed on a global scale.

He was the Imam at the Finsbury Park Mosque in London, arrested for advocating terrorism, killing kafirs indiscriminately.

I understand what you are saying, Sis Amy, but you must realize that it is easy for you from inside Islam to say, “that’s not Islamic”, while to those outside of Islam, it is “Radical Islam”, to distinguish it from the every-day member.

I don’t consider a sedevacantist to be a Catholic, but to those who are not Catholics, they are an “extreme Catholic”.

I agree that terrorism is more socio political than religious in nature, but many are wrapping it in religion to make it more palatable to their followers.

 

[ralphinal]

Some proof

Much of the work of the mutawa’a (religious police) inside Saudi Arabia involves enforcing these strict prohibitions on women. Saudi Arabia is the only Muslim country that bars women from driving on religious grounds. The extremes to which Saudi Arabia goes was demonstrated in a 2002 tragedy when the Saudi religious police caused fifteen Saudi girls to burn to death after their school in Mecca had caught fire. The mutawa’a forced the girls to remain in the burning building rather than run outside without the correct “Islamic” covering. The police were then exonerated by the Saudi government.

Check this site (not a hate site)

The BBC site is good, too
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

 

[Sister_Amy]

Everything you say may be accurate. It does not change the fact that there are those in Islam who are not looking for peace or an internal jihad. You can say that it is not True Islam or it is not the religion but political, but it is these people who have used the name to define themselves. They wrap themselves in Islam for better or worse.

It’s not even Fake Islam. I ask you–when a country is invaded, do they really need RELIGION to explain why they are trying to defend themselves? When a people are oppressed, is RELIGION the only reason they want justice? I mean, just think about it.

I believe in jihad, I believe it’s not just an internal peaceful thing. And frankly I think everyone on the planet who isn’t a pacifist believes in jihad the same way I do.

Conversion may or may not be a good thing. It depends on why and where you go. You say no cumpulsion, yet the laws say male Muslim apostates are killed. Christians cannot openly practice in many Muslim countries. Churches are burned.

A country’s laws are not necessarily the laws of Islam. We should be clear about that. And Christians can openly practice in many Muslim countries. And in some Christian countries, Muslims are afraid of being sent to jail, abducted by the government, deported, and spirited away to random third world countries to be tortured for practicing Islam.

Here is the problem as I see it, and you will probably disagree. There are crazy, hatefull people in all faiths. Some of them do violence in the name of their faith. It may not represent the faith. it might. I cannot say without all evidence. Some of the crazy, hatefilled Muslims have banded together. They are unified and organized. They are, compaired to what is shown as Islam, radical. We call them radical Muslims. regular Muslims do not like that. Instead of kicking them out or hunting them down, they ignore or shield them and try to make the victoms look like the attackers. That needs to end. Peaceful Muslims need to take back their faith.

Muslims are unified? They are anything but.

Am I hatefilled or am I peaceful? Just curious.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I understand what you are saying, Sis Amy, but you must realize that it is easy for you from inside Islam to say, “that’s not Islamic”, while to those outside of Islam, it is “Radical Islam”, to distinguish it from the every-day member.

But in fact, by calling it radical Islam, they don’t distinguish it. They merge terrorism and Islam. Seriously, if I say Islam what’s the first word that comes to your mind?

I don’t consider a sedevacantist to be a Catholic, but to those who are not Catholics, they are an “extreme Catholic”.

I have no idea what a sedavacantist is but it sounds like it hurts.

I agree that terrorism is more socio political than religious in nature, but many are wrapping it in religion to make it more palatable to their followers.

You’re on to something here. Seriously.

Terrorism is more sociopolitical than religious in nature.

In fact, terrorism is only sociopolitical, and never religious.

That’s because religion condemns terrorism.

So when someone tries to use the “wrapping” of religion in order to disguise terrorism, then shouldn’t we oppose terrorism do the exact opposite? And EXPOSE it for what it is?

Because instead of exposing terrorism for being a sociopolitical phenomenom, people seem to prefer clouding it with religion. But that’s deceitful.

So don’t you agree that we should expose terrorism for what it is–a sociopolitical evil, and not a religious one?

 

[ralphinal]

It’s not even Fake Islam. I ask you–when a country is invaded, do they really need RELIGION to explain why they are trying to defend themselves? When a people are oppressed, is RELIGION the only reason they want justice? I mean, just think about it.

But who is the oppressor? Who is the invader? Can you say that the Saudis are oppressed by the West? Yet a majority of the Muslims Terrorists involved in Sept 11 were Saudi.

I believe in jihad, I believe it’s not just an internal peaceful thing. And frankly I think everyone on the planet who isn’t a pacifist believes in jihad the same way I do.

Is it ok to kill women and children? I accept it both ways as well, but please let me be in conflict before you hurt me.

A country’s laws are not necessarily the laws of Islam. We should be clear about that. And Christians can openly practice in many Muslim countries. And in some Christian countries, Muslims are afraid of being sent to jail, abducted by the government, deported, and spirited away to random third world countries to be tortured for practicing Islam.

Fair enough. But, do not tell me that Islam is a perfect system when it has not worked yet.

Muslims are unified? They are anything but.

That is what amazes me about this. Muslims are far from unified, until it comes to hating the Great Satan (remember that line from Iran’s Muslim leader?). There is a small group of Muslims who want us dead. You can say that it is not Islam, but there they are with a Qur’an.

Am I hatefilled or am I peaceful? Just curious.

Usually peaceful. But since you asked, I am worried

 

[scipio337]

It’s not even Fake Islam. I ask you–when a country is invaded, do they really need RELIGION to explain why they are trying to defend themselves? When a people are oppressed, is RELIGION the only reason they want justice? I mean, just think about it.

It is through religious fanaticism that this “persecuted Muslim” syndrome has come about. I don’t see Muslims being attacked anywhere, yet Christian children are beheaded in Indonesia, a school in he Caucus is taken over, and children killed, all over these misplaced religio/nationistic tendancies.
Sister Amy:

I believe in jihad, I believe it’s not just an internal peaceful thing. And frankly I think everyone on the planet who isn’t a pacifist believes in jihad the same way I do.

Then what is your definition of jihad, and when should it be applied?
Sister Amy:

A country’s laws are not necessarily the laws of Islam. We should be clear about that. And Christians can openly practice in many Muslim countries. And in some Christian countries, Muslims are afraid of being sent to jail, abducted by the government, deported, and spirited away to random third world countries to be tortured for practicing Islam.

What countries is this in? Dhimmitude is an intergral part of Shar’ia.
Sister Amy:

Muslims are unified? They are anything but.

Am I hatefilled or am I peaceful? Just curious.

If you could elaborate a little more on jihad, the rights non-Muslims should have in Muslim lands, punishment for apostacy, etc, it would help us know.

 

[anon52328184]

have you guys gone off topic a little? isn’t the thread supposed to be the movie about islam?

i hear that the UAE is a beautiful and well developed country. they are sort of an ally of the U.S. aren’t they?

i don’t think anyway that they are as anti-american as say iran or syria.

 

[scipio337]

Sister Amy:

If WND isn’t the best source (and it’s a terrible source) then find me a better one. One that’s actually believable.

No quotes, specifically, but he was denied entry into pretty tolerant Canada:

antisemitism.org.il/eng/e…ng_the_Country

This appears to be a translation of his sermons, and is an Islamic site:

Read the history to know that yesterday’s Jews are evil predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They an ingrate people, they altered God’s words, worshipped calf, killed Messengers and denied their Messages. They are exiled people and the worst of mankind. Allaah cursed them and cast His wrath upon them. He turned some of them to monkeys and pigs and worshippers of creatures. They are worst in position and are astray from the right path.

History of Jews is full of deception, trickery, rebellion, oppression, evil and corruption. They always seek to cause mischief on the earth and Allaah loves not the mischief-makers. They even insulted Allaah. The Quraan says,

“The Jews say: ‘Allaah’s Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty). Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered.’”…

Entire sermon is long, and of the same tone. I would also again mention this is an Islamic site.

alharamainsermons.org/eng…article&sid=71

Not exactly what I would call the view of the “average Muslim”.

Other quotes from news sources:

MR. RUSSERT: But it went on and on, and you mention imams in Saudi Arabia. This is what a top Saudi Arabian religious leader said, using inflammatory anti-Semitic rhetoric – “Pray to Allah to terminate Jews. Urge all Muslims to shun peace with Israel.” Shaikh Abdelrahman al-Sudais, one of the top imams in Saudi Arabia, called on Muslims to say farewell to peace initiatives with these people, Jews. He prayed to the Muslim God to terminate the Jews, whom he called the scum of humanity, rats of the world, prophet killers, pigs and monkeys.

MR. AL-JUBEIR: That’s also incorrect. And he was reprimanded for this.

saudiembassy.net/2003News…asp?cIndex=190

From the Saudi Embassy site, no less.

Bump

 

[Sister_Amy]

But who is the oppressor? Who is the invader? Can you say that the Saudis are oppressed by the West? Yet a majority of the Muslims Terrorists involved in Sept 11 were Saudi.

I am looking at terrorism on a global scale, and not a single event in history. Ongoing, worldwide terrorism. Not a single event in history.

Is it ok to kill women and children? I accept it both ways as well, but please let me be in conflict before you hurt me.

Never. It is never ok to kill women and children. When Abu Bakr took the Muslims in to battle he reminded them, shouting out in front of the armies before they began to fight, that the Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of women and children in war.

Fair enough. But, do not tell me that Islam is a perfect system when it has not worked yet.

Islam is a perfect system. Islam is not a country.

That is what amazes me about this. Muslims are far from unified, until it comes to hating the Great Satan (remember that line from Iran’s Muslim leader?). There is a small group of Muslims who want us dead. You can say that it is not Islam, but there they are with a Qur’an.

So you think Muslims are united under Khomeini? That’s weird. My friend, Muslims cannot even agree on which day to start fasting. It’s a huge debate. But if you want to know one thing that they do agree on? Almost universally? They agree that what happened on 9/11 was wrong. Seriously.

If you fear a small group of Muslims who want you dead because they carry a Qur’an, then you should take up a Qur’an and use it to fight back. Because the Qur’an will condemn them if they are wrong.

Usually peaceful. But since you asked, I am worried

Rowr.

 

[Sister_Amy]

It is through religious fanaticism that this “persecuted Muslim” syndrome has come about. I don’t see Muslims being attacked anywhere, yet Christian children are beheaded in Indonesia, a school in he Caucus is taken over, and children killed, all over these misplaced religio/nationistic tendancies.

You don’t see Muslims being attacked anywhere?

Hello? Seriously???

Have you never heard of Iraq? Afghanistan? Palestine? Chechnya? Kashmir? Pakistan? Haven’t you heard of Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib?

Muslims not being attacked??? Dude. Where have you been??

Then what is your definition of jihad, and when should it be applied?

My definition of jihad? My definition of jihad. It is effort or striving in the path of Allah. It should be applied until there is no more oppression. In the case of the self, it should always be applied but I think you mean state or military jihad.

What countries is this in? Dhimmitude is an intergral part of Shar’ia.

What countries? This one.

Dhimmitude isn’t even a word, much less an integral part of anything.

If you could elaborate a little more on jihad, the rights non-Muslims should have in Muslim lands, punishment for apostacy, etc, it would help us know.

Help you know what? I’ve been around a while. Check some of my old posts.

 

[ralphinal]

I am looking at terrorism on a global scale, and not a single event in history. Ongoing, worldwide terrorism. Not a single event in history.

Correct. Right now, who is guilty of the majority of terrorist acts?

Never. It is never ok to kill women and children. When Abu Bakr took the Muslims in to battle he reminded them, shouting out in front of the armies before they began to fight, that the Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of women and children in war.

And yet these people do it with a smile. Why?

Islam is a perfect system. Islam is not a country.

True, but why would God create a system that never works when applied?

So you think Muslims are united under Khomeini? That’s weird. My friend, Muslims cannot even agree on which day to start fasting. It’s a huge debate. But if you want to know one thing that they do agree on? Almost universally? They agree that what happened on 9/11 was wrong. Seriously.

I was throwing another example of hate-filled Muslims. Not all Muslims agree that 9/11 was wrong. Some were cheering in the street.

If you fear a small group of Muslims who want you dead because they carry a Qur’an, then you should take up a Qur’an and use it to fight back. Because the Qur’an will condemn them if they are wrong.

Rowr.

We try. People who hate damage themselves worse than their target.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

So when you say “Radical Islam” you are talking about the Statue of Liberty?

See below.

So basically… you’ll believe whatever you hear? Moo.

If I did I’d be Muslim.

If you aren’t intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between me and “Usamah b. Ladin et alia” then… yikes. Well you said it.

Like this?:

So when you say “Radical Islam” you are talking about the Statue of Liberty?

It was a rhetorical question.

My response wasn’t.

I’m sorry you don’t know the meaning of “fundamental.” Maybe you should look it up.

I can call them when I see them. It seems some have difficulty in this.

So… you have no response without attacking Islam?

I answered and gave an example. You gave some fuzzy definition of evil. Islam and Christianity are not the same.

I don’t have time to watch TV. Can you answer my question? Do we have spies in Al-Qaida study circles?

Don’t have to. They broadcast. You evidently haven’t heard.

You are really the embodiment of a person who has totally succumbed to propaganda, who views Muslims as monolithic (didn’t someone in this very thread just say that Muslims are NOT monolithic?) evil people across the board.

You’re the one that states extremist Islam doesn’t exist. That only leaves Islam.

I have to say, I’m not impressed.

Shucks, one less Christmas card.

 

[scipio337]

You don’t see Muslims being attacked anywhere?

Hello? Seriously???

Have you never heard of Iraq? Afghanistan? Palestine? Chechnya? Kashmir? Pakistan? Haven’t you heard of Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib?

Muslims not being attacked??? Dude. Where have you been??

People are attacked for being Muslim? Often, in the cases of Afghanistan, Israel (you call Palestine), Chechnya, Pakistan, etc, the first victims of Radical Islam are Muslims themselves.

And why marry faith to nationalism? Most of those areas you speak of are contested for nationalist reasons.
Sister Amy:

My definition of jihad? My definition of jihad. It is effort or striving in the path of Allah. It should be applied until there is no more oppression. In the case of the self, it should always be applied but I think you mean state or military jihad.

I have a big problem with the entire weltanschauung behind “Offensive Jihad”.

Is this the claim in the West Bank? Chechnya? Kashmir? You can see how easily the concept is twisted once you go down that rabbit-hole.

Thank you for your honest answer.
Sister Amy:

What countries? This one.

Muslims are " being sent to jail, abducted by the government, deported, and spirited away to random third world countries to be tortured for practicing Islam" in the US?

If by “practicing Islam”, you mean “attacking or planning to attack the US or US interests”, you may have a point. We have a due process legal system in this country. For the most part, it works pretty well.

Somebody should tell representative Keith Ellison that he may be jailed for being a Muslim.
Sister Amy:

Dhimmitude isn’t even a word, much less an integral part of anything.

Historically speaking, you are well off the mark. The concept that non Muslims should be treated differently in Muslim countries is very much alive and well to this day.

Nice dodge, though.
Sister Amy:

Help you know what? I’ve been around a while. Check some of my old posts.

You had asked if you were a “radical”, by your posts, I would say no, although I am bothered a little by your hypersensitivty and conflating pretty much anything to an “attack”.

Thank you for your honest answers.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

It’s not even Fake Islam. I ask you–when a country is invaded, do they really need RELIGION to explain why they are trying to defend themselves?

'Amr b. 'AS didn’t ask that question when he invaded Egypt.

When a people are oppressed, is RELIGION the only reason they want justice? I mean, just think about it.

'Umar b. KhaTTab didn’t ask that when he expelled the Christians from Arabia, and demanded that Christian Arabs (like the Iyyas tribe) be sent back when they fled to the Roman empire.

I believe in jihad, I believe it’s not just an internal peaceful thing. And frankly I think everyone on the planet who isn’t a pacifist believes in jihad the same way I do.

Can you keep your Jihaad to yourselves?

A country’s laws are not necessarily the laws of Islam. We should be clear about that.

I thought Islam was that practical religion, unlike Christianity.

Any country, state or dynasty that you think practised Islamic law?

And Christians can openly practice in many Muslim countries.

Such as?

And in some Christian countries,

Such as?

Muslims are afraid of being sent to jail, abducted by the government, deported, and spirited away to random third world countries

Muslim countries?

to be tortured for practicing Islam.

well, as I said, if you don’t distinguish a radical Islam, then it’s all Islam to us, and we will act accordingly.

Muslims are unified? They are anything but.

Well, then I’d start defining out the radicals.

Am I hatefilled or am I peaceful? Just curious.

Peaceful, just naive.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

But in fact, by calling it radical Islam, they don’t distinguish it. They merge terrorism and Islam.

You’re the one saying Radical Islam is a myth.

Seriously, if I say Islam what’s the first word that comes to your mind?

Muhammad telling Aisha that God never sent him anything better than Khadijah, Imam 'Ali b. Husayn, and the Muslim who stood up at my wedding.

I have no idea what a sedavacantist is but it sounds like it hurts.

It does.

Btw, its like the caliphate movement of the 20th cent.

You’re on to something here. Seriously.

Then you Muslims are going to have to tear off the veil.

Terrorism is more sociopolitical than religious in nature.

Sorry, I’m not a Marxist. But you have a point. What ever happened to draining the swamp?

In fact, terrorism is only sociopolitical, and never religious.

No, now you have overstated.

That’s because religion condemns terrorism.

Some don’t.

So when someone tries to use the “wrapping” of religion in order to disguise terrorism, then shouldn’t we oppose terrorism do the exact opposite? And EXPOSE it for what it is?

I think we have been asking that question for some time now.

Because instead of exposing terrorism for being a sociopolitical phenomenom, people seem to prefer clouding it with religion. But that’s deceitful.

So don’t you agree that we should expose terrorism for what it is–a sociopolitical evil, and not a religious one?

We can’t define Islam for you.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

have you guys gone off topic a little? isn’t the thread supposed to be the movie about islam?

i hear that the UAE is a beautiful and well developed country. they are sort of an ally of the U.S. aren’t they?

i don’t think anyway that they are as anti-american as say iran or syria.

Not by a long shot, which made the panic about the UAE port deal SOOO STUPID.

btw, there’s never been a terror attack, I believe, against Westerners in the UAE. I think it also allowed the “Passion of the Christ” to be shown.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

I am looking at terrorism on a global scale, and not a single event in history. Ongoing, worldwide terrorism. Not a single event in history.

Never. It is never ok to kill women and children. When Abu Bakr took the Muslims in to battle he reminded them, shouting out in front of the armies before they began to fight, that the Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of women and children in war.

Islam is a perfect system. Islam is not a country.

Are you saying that Muhammad’s kinigdom is not of this world? 'cuz I’ve seen Christ saying this being ridiculed by Muslims, who promote the “practical” nature of Islam.

So you think Muslims are united under Khomeini? That’s weird. My friend, Muslims cannot even agree on which day to start fasting. It’s a huge debate. But if you want to know one thing that they do agree on? Almost universally? They agree that what happened on 9/11 was wrong. Seriously.

Glad to hear it. But we know other Islamic opinions on this matter, like Madrid and London.

If you fear a small

?

group of Muslims who want you dead because they carry a Qur’an, then you should take up a Qur’an and use it to fight back. Because the Qur’an will condemn them if they are wrong.

Rowr.

Kafirs can’t issue fatwas.