MOVIE: "Expelled"

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This post completely ignores Janet’s main point. That doesn’t surprise me, since that is the tactic that has been used repeatedly on this particular thread: Ignore the big picture and try to make the other person feel like you are more educated than she is. This is one of the logical fallacies that was brilliantly pointed out earlier in the thread. Her point was not that Biology is not open to inquiry at all. The point is that it is not open to inquiry in the area of evolution.

Also, I agree with Janet’s point that the Biology curriculum is somehwat arbitrary, yet it is becoming more inflexible as time goes on. Our state has mandated a curriculum for Biology One in high school which starts at the biochemical level, then moves to the cellular level and DNA, does a brief survey of biological classification, and ends with Evolution. Rather than capture the attention of students by first exploring those organisms in their environment that they actually encounter, as used to be done when teachers had control of Biology (nature study, etc.), the State mandates that we have to prepare everyone to be a future scientist (because everyone has equal ability, right?) Biology has become a study that goes from the abstract to the concrete, which is not a good way to reach teenagers.

As a Biology teacher, I found this curriculum to be very difficult to work with when you are dealing with the general population, where only one or two students per class have already decided on a scientific career. Evolution most certainly does not have to be part of the introductory Biology curriculum. It is there for political reasons.

OK, now find the one detail you think is inaccurate and ignore my main point.
Of course, if you don’t agree with me, you’re not informed (or ignorant). That’s the message you and I are supposed to be getting here

I’m not a biology teacher, I’m a pharmacist and I also have a biology degree. I loved and still love studying science that’s why I’m doing what I’m doing now. I don’t read much purely scientific info anymore, but I do frequently read applied scientific journals (medical journals).

Still, it’s not a matter of my knowledge of science. It’s a matter of my knowledge of people and politics. There are those on this thread who seem to think scientists have no biases and are unaffected by occupational politics. I just don’t happen to agree with that.
 
So sorry. Your book annihiliated, obliterated, demolished by my book:
Here’s an excerpt from the book I posted:
Velvet worms are thought to be descended of insects, but the evidence for this is scanty; they look a lot like worms, and they have remained unchanged for millions of years. They live along fallen leaves in tropical forests and have two nozzles, one on each side of their head, which can fire off a very quickly drying glue at their prey. These two sprays crisscross back and forth, as if lassoing the victim. Once the victim is securely ensnared, the worm bites a hole in its body, injects digestive juices, and then slurps up the dissolving victim. Curiously, this glue does not dry within the worm’s body, and its digestive juices are well contained. Imagine the difficulty if the intermediate glue dried within the velvet worm, clogging the nozzles, or dried too slowly, allowing the victim to get away before becoming ensnared.
Could you post (or paraphrase) the part in Prothero’s book that anihilates, demolishes and obliterates the point raised above?
 
"The doctrine of creation really says nothing about ‘How’ God creates. It does not provide a basis for a testable theory of the mechanism of change.
Interesting theological opinion from this Geologist.
If it does not address this issue, then it does not contribute anything to a specifically scientific description of the history of life.
Again, I can’t find any reason to accept his theological notions since he has no credentials or authority in that field – but if I did, perhaps it would mean that the doctrine of creation has no scientific consequence. So, either science can say nothing about whether God created the world in 6 days, or else science provides the truest means for interpreting the Bible.
I believe that all of creation is designed by God and has its being in God, but that does not give me any insights into the processes by which God brought that creation into existence.
His belief, apparently, doesn’t give him any insights into anything much. I’ll suggest that a very Protestant view. “Faith alone” is detached from the natural order.
It is the continuing success of scientific research to resolve previous questions about the nature and **history **of the physical universe,
His belief is that the doctrine of creation can say nothing about the history of the universe. I don’t see where he proved that, or how he could do so. Divine revelation could certainly give humanity answers to questions on the history of the universe.
 
Here’s an excerpt from the book I posted:
Velvet worms are thought to be descended of insects, but the evidence for this is scanty; they look a lot like worms, and they have remained unchanged for millions of years. They live along fallen leaves in tropical forests and have two nozzles, one on each side of their head, which can fire off a very quickly drying glue at their prey. These two sprays crisscross back and forth, as if lassoing the victim. Once the victim is securely ensnared, the worm bites a hole in its body, injects digestive juices, and then slurps up the dissolving victim. Curiously, this glue does not dry within the worm’s body, and its digestive juices are well contained. Imagine the difficulty if the intermediate glue dried within the velvet worm, clogging the nozzles, or dried too slowly, allowing the victim to get away before becoming ensnared.
I don’t know what he has to say, but a simple google search shows that the very first sentence of the quote contains an error. The current evidence indicates that the velvet worm, arthropods (insects, spiders, crabs, etc.), and water bears most likely shared a common ancestor. In other words, these most likely diverged on the evolutionary path before insects ever existed. Indeed, fossils of potential ancestors are found in the Cambrian, which pre-dates the existence of insects. As for the meat of the quote, it is based on an assumption that the intermediate version of the slime/glue that didn’t dry as fast would be used in exactly the same fashion as the current form. There’s no good reason to make such an assumption.

The only thing that he gets correct is that we don’t have much to go on about the evolution of this phyla. However, the fact that we don’t have all the answers doesn’t mean we don’t have any answers. Heck, we Physicists still haven’t found the Higgs Boson or Gravity waves.
 
ReggieM citing Simmons << “Velvet worms are thought to be descended of insects, but the evidence for this is scanty…” >>

OK, now the evolution of the Velvet Worm. I’ve already done whales, giraffes, now worms. 😛

HONESTY ALERT: There appears to be a genuine difference of opinion here. Prothero says the velvet worm are the transitional links between the arthropods (insects, etc) and the group they split from in the Cambrian, the nematodes, relying on Brusca/Brusca Invertebrates (Sinauer Assoc, 1990): “As outlined by Brusca and Brusca (1990:683), there are many other features that unite onychophorans [velvet worms] with arthropods and make them outstanding transitional forms between the phylum Nematoda and the phylum Arthropoda.” (Prothero, Evolution: What the Fossils Say, page 193).

More recent research (since 1990) appears to put the velvet worms into the arthropods group. See below.

Prothero’s book covers the velvet worm on pages 193-194, which was recently summarized in his article "Evolution: What Missing Link?:

“A classic example of a transitionary form links the arthropods [insects, spiders, scorpions, crustaceans and their relatives] to the lineage they split from in the Cambrian, namely, the nematode worms. These are the ‘velvet worms’ or Onychophora. In many respects, the velvet worms resemble nematodes, but they also have key attributes of the arthropods – most notably segmented legs that end in hooked claws. They also have many other features found in arthropods but not nematodes, including an outer layer made of chitin, which they moult on a regular basis, antennae, compound eyes and arthropod-like mouthparts…You could not ask for a better ‘missing link’ between the nematodes and the arthropods, except it’s not missing – we’ve known about velvet worms for over a century in both the living fauna and the fossil record.” (Prothero, New Scientist, 8 March 2008)

But we’re not limited to Prothero. For the evolution of worms and insects in general, we’ll want to refer to:

Evolution of the Insects by Grimaldi/Engel (Cambridge Univ Press, 2005)

And this article in Science (1993) by William Ballard, summarized by the New York Times:

Summary: The velvet worm is genetically akin to the joint-legged arthropods and not part of the more primitive phylum of segmented worms, the annelids. In an analsis of DNA sequences of 31 types of animals Ballard’s team compiled a genetic tree showing arthropods as descending from a common ancestor, i.e. velvet worms are arthropods. DNA data confirms the velvet worm was not the link between the arthropods and the annelids, but genetically similar to the more advanced scorpions and spiders.
(see New York Times, “Science Watch: Velvet Worm’s Lineage”, 9 February 1993)

Same author in Cladistics journal (2000):

“Despite a flurry of research activity in recent years, the interrelationships between and within the major clades of arthropods remain a contentious issue. The monophyletic status of the Arthropoda is one of the few points of widespread consensus, although a few workers (e.g., Fryer, 1996) still endorse the view (Anderson, 1973; Manton, 1977) that arthropods are a polyphyletic group. Reviews of major competing hypotheses for the relationships between chelicerates, crustaceans, myriapods, and hexapods, as well as the status of Onychophora and Tardigrada relative to the euarthropods, have been outlined by Wheeler et al (1993), Wills et al (1995, 1998), Regier and Shultz (1997), and Zrzavy et al (1997), among others.” ("Arthropod Cladistics: Combined Analysis of Histone H3 and U2 snRNA Sequences and Morphology", Cladistics 16, 155-203 [2000])

Apparently there are “debates” going on with regard to the insects and worms. 😃

And a more recent article from the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society Biological Sciences (from 2006) summarized by ABC Science (of Australia):

Summary: For many years velvet worms were believed to be the ‘missing link’ between worms and insects. Recent research has shown they are not a sister group of the arthropods, but lie within them and share a common ancestry. (see “Velvet worms spin web of intrigue”, 2 August 2006 by Jacquie van Santen)

From Softpedia News:

Summary: Velvet worms are more closely related to spiders and scorpions than to butterflies, according to new research. Understanding the evolutionary origin of onychophorans (velvet worms) could be the key to understanding the evolution of arthropods. New molecular biology techniques allowed biologists to determine that the onychophorans share a common ancestor with all modern arthropods. (see “The Brain of a Living Fossil Surprises Scientists – Velvet worm brains reveal secret sisterhood with spiders” by Sci/Tech News Staff, from Softpedia.com 25 July 2006)

You’ll want to look up the evolution of arthropods themselves, since the velvet worm are now considered within same. Simmons says they evolved from insects, but that is the older view. He needs to get up to date.

BTW, I didn’t say Prothero answered every evolutionary question there is. Some things we don’t know yet. I only said Prothero’s book (which provides plenty of evidence of transitionals) demolishes Simmons’ book (who does not accept “common descent” at all). Read the books side by side and you’ll see.

Phil P
 
And some pictures for Arthropod evolution to help:

http://www.bringyou.to/ArthropodBranch.jpg

As we can see, class :p, the velvet worms (onychoporans) are closely related to the arthropods but they lack some features normally associated with arthropods. Prothero (and others in the articles I link above) suggests they are the transitional links between (some) arthropods and their more primitive common ancestor, e.g. link between the arthropods and the nematodes.

“Onychoporans share certain characters with arthropods, but are lacking a hard exoskeleton or jointed legs. Onychophorans are probably closely related to arthropods and branched off the tree just before a fully hardened exoskeleton and jointed legs evolved.” (from the Berkeley site)

See An Almost Arthropod: The Onychophoran by Berkeley "Understanding Evolution"

Arthropod Characteristics:

http://www.bringyou.to/ArthropodChart.gif

Phil P
 
BTW, I didn’t say Prothero answered every evolutionary question there is.
That, along with your honestly alert and the conditional nature of Prothero’s comment are important. You claimed that Prothero “anihilates, demolishes and obliterates” the book in question. I posted an excerpt from the book and I didn’t see the points raised in that passage “demolished”, etc. In fact, the point raised still stands.
Prothero (and others in the articles I link above) suggests they are the transitional links between (some) arthropods and their more primitive common ancestor, e.g. link between the arthropods and the nematodes.
I note that Prothero “suggests” that they are the transitional links. Again, that’s not the language of “anihilation” but of “a different opinion”. I do not see an authoritative conclusion raised by Prothero (or anyone) on this issue – and that is one of the major points raised. It’s one of those “evolutionary questions” that is not answered. I think there are more of those kinds of questions than some people want to admit.

The fact that velvet worms “resemble nematodes” is really the “science” of Darwinism in clear focus. A “resemblance” supposedly means some kind of evolution from one to the other. The actual evidence is so lacking that we’re dealing with guesswork (or suggestions) and yet no one is permitted to question this (as the book I mentioned does).

But again, merely talking about how one resembles another doesn’t touch on the other matter regarding how the velvet worms developed their unique apparatus and what kind of gradual process it was (creating a “glue” that doesn’t stick to the velvet worm but which sticks to its prey).

I think a fair minded person would conclude that there are at least a few missing links aligned with the development of the velvet worm (and that Prothero could not have demolished that book without coming up with a compelling answer to this problem).
 
As for the meat of the quote, it is based on an assumption that the intermediate version of the slime/glue that didn’t dry as fast would be used in exactly the same fashion as the current form. There’s no good reason to make such an assumption.
One of the points was about missing links. There are no links that show the gradual development of the slime/glue (intermediate stage). I think a lot of this science is making assumptions of various kinds.
 
What Happened To This Thread?

It was trimmed down to about half its size. Hello?

Some moderator apparently thinks we should delete all well-documented, well-researched posts 👍 :mad: answering questions about the evolution of the Whale, Giraffe, and Velvet Worm in response to questions in a thread about a movie that basically denies the evolution of the Whale, Giraffe, and Velvet Worm. :confused: And I was just about to explain the “origin of life” too (which is also a topic in the film). 😃

Those posts took HOURS to compile, and I am upset since I want to go back and collect them, and turn them into articles for my apologetics site. I’m sorry I didn’t save them. I assumed they would stay here forever. You do know these forums show up in the search engines, and can be useful material for research. Plus I had all kinds of LINKS and some PDFs I had inserted in these posts I wanted to retrieve. It takes TIME finding these links, formatting the posts, getting them to look right. I take pride in these. I’m sorry about my aggressive and well-researched, well-documented approach in answering questions on this issue, but that’s me. All my posts in here were about the film, or answering questions arising from the film.

If any post should be deleted that isn’t directly about the film, then there are many more posts in here that should be deleted. I just went through all remaining 8 pages of posts.

I can understand one deletion: the joke post about the Bolcheviks, but again that was in response to a question “I’m sure you’ll agree that Marx was responsible for the Bolcheviks…” and I’ll agree that is going off topic of the film. But answering any questions that arise on evolution, “common descent”, “intelligent design” or Darwin/Hitler should be ON TOPIC of the thread, and SHOULD NOT be deleted.

Phil P
 
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=181627

Post #11 is not about the film, but about denial of tenure

Post #14 is not about the film, but about science having all the answers

Post #17 is not about the film, but about abuse of intellectual freedom

Post #28 is not about the film, but about the film Zombie Strippers

Post #37, #38, #40, #41, #42 etc is not about the film, but about how well the film is doing (about money)

Post #44 is not about the film, just a comment the thread might be shut down

Post #51 is not about the film, but about the possibility of evolution

Post #56 is not about the film, but about many and various subjects

Post #58 is not about the film, but about education in Kansas

Post #59 is not about the film, being a reply to post #58 😃

Post #60 is not about the film, but about the difference between evolution and “Darwinism”

Post #65 is not about the film, but about irreducible complexity (Behe does not appear in the film) and engineering

Post #66 is not about the film, but about how atoms are divided

Post #70 is not about the film, but about the Holy Father, evolution, Krauss, Ayala, Miller, etc

Post #75 is not about the film, but about “Project Steve”

Post #76 is not about the film, but about Hitler

Post #77 is not about the film, but about Gould and NOMA

That’s only up to page 6 of the present thread…

Phil P
 
What Happened To This Thread?
It was trimmed down to about half its size. Hello?
Phil P
Phil, I wholeheartedly agree with you – I think it’s the net-nannies at work again! I was looking forward to reading through a lot of your link and charts, and to quoting you in an article I’m writing. I wonder if you could ask the list manager to restore those posts at least to you privately, since they are your intellectual property. The information you posted was quite valuable to all of us and should be shared, as you did.

Disturbedly yours,
Petrus
 
I warned everyone earlier on to keep this thread on topic: about the FILM “Expelled”. Since that warning was not heeded I’ve had to halt activity here pending a serious cleaning of the thread to restore it to the original topic.

This is the Popular Media forum. It is not Apologetics, it is not the Back Fence, it is not Secular News, it is not Philosophy and it’s not Science 101 (CAF doesn’t have one of those). There are several ongoing threads elsewhere at CAF discussing the science targeted by the film where posters are not restricted to keeping their posts tied to the Media aspect of “Expelled”. That’s where a lot of the posts I deleted should have been posted in the first place, particularly after my warning.

I have created three (so far) off-shoot threads from this one by moving the posts which used to be here into one which is a better fit:

“Expelled” Off-Shoot #1: Discussing the premise of the movie
This is where most of the science debate went so long as it was related to the film. The giraffe, whale and other lessons, as well as the Darwinism 101 Q&A did not tie in to the film so those did not have a home here in Popular Media.

“Expelled” Off-Shoot #2: ID in public schools
This is to discuss the whole issue whether or not ID or creationism should be allowed in publicly funded educational institutions.

“Expelled” Off-Shoot #3: The propaganda aspect (http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 2)
This is where the “Excelled” counter material belongs, as well as any other post which discussed the film as propaganda.

You are welcome to continue those debates in those threads.

I ask one last time to leave this thread to the original topic:

“Has anyone seen/heard of this? What do you think?”

If you’ve seen the movie, please share your thoughts about the film over all.

If you haven’t seen the movie share if you plan to, why or why not?
 
Just like this main Expelled thread, and the new spin-off evolutionary species of threads descended by modification from the original Expelled thread whose fossil posts are now buried under thousands of feet of sedimentary threads, the film Expelled can be declared officially extinct. 😃

Opening Weekend: $2,970,848 in 1,052 theaters, $2,824 average
Total gross: $6,906,488
In Release: 21 days / 3 weeks

For those of you interested in rebuttals to the film (besides www.ExpelledExposed.com), there are three much better science documentaries (in terms of content) that are on the same topic of the film:

Flock of Dodos
Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial
PBS Evolution series, an 8-hour documentary

The second one is specifically about the Dover ID Trial, but they all cover the creation-evolution-ID controversy in a fair way, interviewing all the main participants (some people of course who overlap with Expelled). While Expelled concentrates on the “mean atheists” and their atheism with very little science content, thus making for a totally unbalanced documentary, these three have both the main ID and creationist people, and those scientists and teachers who accept evolution and believe in God – despite what Expelled says, there are many thousands of these, and the PBS Evolution series does at least one hour just on the God question (interviewing theistic evolutionists and creationists both).

And two books I recently purchased that are relevant to the film, and respond to aspects of the film, specifically the “origin of life” and the fossil record from a science standpoint by professionals in the field:

Genesis: The Scientific Quest for Life’s Origin by Robert Hazen (Joseph Henry Press, 2005)
Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters by Donald Prothero (Columbia Univ Press, 2007)

Expelled says no one knows how life began and/or scientists have no viable testable explanations and models (e.g. where Michael Ruse, Richard Dawkins are ridiculed in Expelled, etc) and that the evidence for evolution in the fossil record is “corrupted” or “distorted” (Jonathan Wells in Expelled). Expelled is wrong and these books clearly explain why.

Thank you. We’re done. Put a cork in the thread and/or threads. :yawn:

Next week: Narnia Part II.

Phil P
 
I didn’t take the time to see if Al Gore’s un-scientific movie was discussed on this forum. Did the same posters who are defending evolution also defend Gore? I didn’t see Gore’s movie but what I heard was that Gore believed everything he presented. Ben, in his movie merely asked questions.
I am a defender for evolution, but not for anthropogenic global warming. 🤓
 
I am a defender for evolution, but not for anthropogenic global warming. 🤓
I’m not a defender of it either. I think anthropogenic global warming is terrible, and humans should reduce their carbon output to slow the warming down and stop it!
 
Phil – I’m glad you found ExpelledExposed.com useful!Petrus
Creationism’s evolution, caught on tape

A nonprofit’s archives track the rise and fall of attacks on evolution

Oakland, California, May 20, 2008 – Evolution’s opponents have taken another round of losses recently, with the failures of the creationist propaganda movie Expelled, a creationist bid to grant science education degrees in Texas, and antievolution legislation in Florida, Alabama, and Missouri. A new video from the National Center for Science Education shows how the nonprofit’s archives preserves the history of creationist attacks on science education, and how NCSE uses information from its archives to block new attacks.

“With creationists,” explains Eugenie C. Scott, NCSE’s executive director, “there’s a lot of recycling: the same arguments are made over and over, just with new labels and rhetoric. So when we needed to show that ‘intelligent design’ was a rebranding of creationism, we went to the archives and proved that the same people had been making the same arguments, just dressed up with a fancy new name.”

The new video, “Jesus in My Classroom,” posted today at www.ExpelledExposed.com, shows how NCSE’s archives helped win the seminal Kitzmiller v. Dover trial by tracing the history of the “intelligent design” textbook at issue in the trial. As the video shows, a clipping in NCSE’s archives tipped off lawyers for the Dover parents that the textbook was originally intended to present “both evolution and creation.” After a Supreme Court decision holding it unconstitutional to teach creationism in science class, the textbook authors replaced references to “creation” with “design.” Careful review even found a so-called missing link: a passage in which “creationists” was revised to “cdesign proponentsists,” rather than the intended “design proponents.”

“Our archives aren’t just for lawyers,” says Charles Hargrove, NCSE’s archivist. “Historians and other social scientists who need access to back issues of creationist periodicals like the Bible-Science Newsletter or tapes of creationist debates rely on these archives. The fight over creationism is an important part of American history, and our archives are vital for researchers at NCSE and beyond.” NCSE’s archives include over 2500 books, nearly 100 linear feet of magazines, pamphlets and personal papers, and over 500 hours of video and audio recordings.

Josh Rosenau, a spokesman for NCSE, describes how he uses these archives. “When a new creationist textbook or pamphlet or video emerges, we can locate previous works by the same authors, and trace the inspiration for their bogus scientific claims.” Echoing NCSE’s motto, he added, “When you’re defending the teaching of evolution in the public schools, you have to know what you’re up against – even if it turns out to be something familiar.”

The National Center for Science Education is a non-profit organization dedicated to defending the teaching of evolution in the public schools. The NCSE maintains its archive of source material on the history of creationism at its Oakland, California, headquarters. On the web at www.ncseweb.org.

NCSE’s other website, www.ExpelledExposed.com, is a resource for journalists, teachers, and curious moviegoers who want the full story behind the creationist movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

Contacts:
Eugenie C. Scott, scott@ncseweb.org, 800-290-6006
Josh Rosenau, rosenau@ncseweb.org, 800-290-6006
Louise S. Mead, mead@ncseweb.org, 800-290-6006
 
Creationism’s evolution, caught on tapeA nonprofit’s archives track the rise and fall of attacks on evolution
Warning: Gravity is "Only a Theory"

by Ellery Schempp (c)(R)2005
revised 6/2007

All physics textbooks should include this warning label:

This textbook contains material on Gravity. Gravity is a theory, not a fact, regarding a natural law of attraction. Gravity should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.

The Universal Theory of Gravity is often taught by Gravitationalists in public schools as a “fact.” It is not a fact. It is not even a good theory.

Is gravity universal? Maybe. Maybe not. No one has measured gravity for every atom and every star. And gravitationalists are not attempting to remedy this lack of experiment evidence, afraid of failure, no doubt. It is undeniably a religious belief that gravity is universal.

Circular reasoning or elliptical reasoning?

According to gravitationalists, gravity is a force between objects with mass; Lines of gravitational force are straight. Gravity does not make objects spin in circles or ellipses. But planets are observed to move in elliptical orbits around the sun. Trying to dodge this contradiction, gravitationalists turn logic on its head and claim orbits somehow prove gravity. Circular reasoning and elliptical reasoning are common among gravitationalists.

The universe is tuned.

The moon rotates on its axis but at the same time always presents the same comforting face to us, gazing up from earth. Little Willie Dembski has calculated the chances of that happening at random and it is exactly 1 in 15 septdecillion. That exceeds the probabombastic resources of the universe, proving the intervention of an intelligent agent. Only an intelligent designer could arrange such a happy coincidence, always presenting the familiar side of the moon to us. Imagine how it might have altered human history if, for all these millennium, we had been gazing at the unfamiliar face of the moon.

Don’t change the channel.

Astronomers are the lowest of the many subspecies of gravitationalists. Astronomers are barely scientists. They’re classifiers, list-makers, like librarians with their Dewey decimal system. Except librarians don’t claim the Dewey decimal system holds the Rosetta Stone to the universe. There were once great astronomers, but the morally vacuous ones began to promote their own at the universities.

Gravity relieves astronomers of a pesky moral code. Astronomers never have to say “We would like to drink ourselves into oblivion tonight, but that would violate Gravity.” Instead they say, “Let’s do it. If we fall down, it’s just gravity.” Astronomers subscribe to gravity not because it’s science, which they hate, but out of wishful thinking. Gravity lets them off the hook morally.

Microgravity? Yes! Macrogravity? No!

Microgravity is observable. Release an egg from three feet above your kitchen floor to observe microgravity in action. It will fall. But don’t take our word for it. Try it yourself. Next observe macrogravity in action. Perform the same experiment with a very massive object, say an object with the mass of the moon. Oh, wait. The moon is suspended above us. It does not fall. This proves to us that macrogravity does not exist. Microgravity only makes small objects on earth fall. If there is macrogravity, why don’t the sun, the moon, and the planets all fall down and hit the earth? Heavenly bodies do not fall, obviously, because there is no macrogravity.

God of the gaps.

The failings of the theory are obvious. Gaze up into the sky. The moon obviously rotates around the earth. You can see that. Why don’t humans rotate around mountains? Why don’t insects rotate around cars? Why doesn’t the moon rotate around the sun? Sometimes the theory of gravity seems to work and other times not. There are obvious gaps in gravity theory. Gravitationalists cannot find the missing gravitational links.

There is not a single mention of gravity in the Bible. Nor is there mention of gravity in the constitution. Did Jesus not rise from the dead? Yes. As he rose, did Jesus have to worry about violating the Universe Theory of Gravity? If gravity wasn’t important in Moses’ day or Jefferson’s day, and could be switched off and on at will by Jesus, who are we to take it seriously?

Teach the gravity controversy.

There are numerous alternative theories that should be taught on an equal basis with gravity. For example, the observed behavior of the earth revolving around the sun can be perfectly explained if the sun has a net positive charge and the planets have a net negative charge. Opposite charges attract and the force between them follows the inverse-square law, exactly as the increasingly discredited Theory of Gravity. Physics and chemistry texts used to use this same logic as the explanation for electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. But then electrons stopped orbiting and began inhabiting orbitals, with all those strange shapes. Who made up those weird f-orbitals? The source of this mind-numbing complexity is simple: it helps gravitationalists at places like Princeton line their pockets with safe, cushy government grants.

The Law (of gravity) is an ***.

It is unlikely that the Law of Gravity will be out-and-out repealed given the present geo-political climate. But we should introduce the controversy into the K12 curriculum. There is, indeed, evidence that the Theory of Gravity is having a grave effect on morality. Activist judges and left-leaning teachers often use the phrase “what goes up must come down” as a way of describing gravity. Relativists have been quick to apply this to moral standards and common decency.

Let’s get back… to the fundamental things.

Materialistic ideology has subverted the study of gravity so that the actual science has become corrupted. The problem is not merely that science is being used illegitimately to promote a materialistic worldview, but that this worldview is actively undermining fundamental truth, leading to incorrect and unsupported conclusions about gravity. We must always start with the obvious premise of a unique and special place of each and every person in creation. This fundamental truth must be safeguarded. We must be wary of any theory that seeks to undermine man’s essential dignity and unique and intended place in the cosmos. The “Laws” invented by secular scientists must be held secondary to fundamental truth. Aspects of these “Laws” that undermine fundamental truth should be firmly rejected as an atheistic theology posing as science. We must constantly remind secular scientists of the lack of significance of their work.
 
i really liked this movie. They also showed the movie at the FOCUS conference earlier this year.

If you can, you should see it. 👍
 
Just noticed the documentary was playing near me yesterday and checked it out right away…

It was a great film and very insightful that exposes the scientific community for their biases against any mention of God and the fact that macro-evolution is worthless and nothing more than a worldview that interprets scientific evidence to suit itself.

For anyone new to this issue it will be a real eye-opener, and even for those who’re familiar with it, the hear the insights of evolution’s top dogs and how they feel about ID and creationism and their utter bitter hatred of it is truly something.

The movie has it’s own blog here:
expelledthemovie.com/blog/

For those interested in pursuing the truth from the Creationist perspective I highly recommend this site:
answersingenesis.org/

There you’ll find plenty of media and articles on every evolutionary and biblical topic related to it.

icr.org/archives/ is also another good site.

Get involved, know what both sides are saying and discover for yourself who is right. God’s Holy and Inerrant Word and Christ or the naturalistic and speculative philosophies of fallen men and those that sadly attempt to compromise our faith with such a destructive worldview.
 
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