Movies and Nudity

[Other_Eric]

You are presenting a “what if” scenario, as in “what if nudity were shown in this manner? Would it then be OK?”

You did not look at the encyclical as an all-encompassing document, which it is. All art, if it can be determined to be art, must be judged individually. Your attempts to bring up classical works of art and compare them to the motion picture - a static image versus a moving one - avoids the issue. No one would consider a painting or statue as alive, however moving photographic images, especially on a large screen, present actual living persons.

In order to safeguard the dignity of actual people, models and actors sign documents consenting to certain things. Sometimes an actress is asked to show a part of her body in public, on film. Something she would normally cover in public. She has the choice of a double or stand-in or she can be dropped from consideration.

There was a time when feminine beauty was called glamour but virtue was tied into it. A beautiful woman could be glamouous but virtue meant that her dignity, her sense of virtue, and the virtue and dignity of the person looking at her, was safeguarded. Today, that is so uncommon as to virtually no longer exist in movies.

Peace,
Ed

I am not positing a “what if” scenario. I am asking a question which you avoided yet another time. Once again, is nudity in film inherently immoral?

 

[edwest2]

Nudity should not be allowed to be shown in movies shown as entertainment in average movie theaters. The history of nudity in film indicates that it is primarily used in an exploitive manner without attached virtue.

In discussing great works of art, virtue must be considered.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Other_Eric]

Nudity should not be allowed to be shown in movies shown as entertainment in average movie theaters. The history of nudity in film indicates that it is primarily used in an exploitive manner without attached virtue.

In discussing great works of art, virtue must be considered.

Peace,
Ed

The history of nudity in film is irrelevant if you are going to continue to avoid my question. Once again: is nudity in film inherently immoral? It is this question that must be answered before any meaningful discussion of the use of nudity can be had. Why do you continue to avoid this simple yes-or-no question?

 

[Bluegoat]

I think when people are talking about nudity in art being ok, and in movies not, they need to remember that there is also immoral “art” nudity - even the Romans had lots of pornography. But that’s not usually what we see when admiring the wonders of ancient art. And they weren’t things that no “actress” was involved with - those Rennaisance paintings used actual nude models in their creation.

In that sense, I don’t see how film or photography would be different - nudity could be bad, or good.

However, I do have one thought. We tend to process moving pictures differently than either writing or paintings, or even photographs. The brain treats them as “real” and we have to be conscious as treating them as a creation in order to think about them critically. So it seems to me that they could more easily influence people without them realizing it, or be manipulative in a way static art can’t.

So perhaps one would need to be much more careful about deciding if a film is really something that should be viewed, compared to , say, a painting?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

However, I do have one thought. We tend to process moving pictures differently than either writing or paintings, or even photographs. The brain treats them as “real” and we have to be conscious as treating them as a creation in order to think about them critically. So it seems to me that they could more easily influence people without them realizing it, or be manipulative in a way static art can’t.

I have to slightly disagree. ed was good to specifically mention photographic images be they static or moving because if we were to include non-photographic, it would mean that cartoons would fall under the category of what you say the brain treats as “real”.

Although I highly doubt ecchi cartoons are morally safe, they definitely do not use real people so I’m not sure if they are as severe as images of an actual person. :\

 

[Bluegoat]

I have to slightly disagree. ed was good to specifically mention photographic images be they static or moving because if we were to include non-photographic, it would mean that cartoons would fall under the category of what you say the brain treats as “real”.

Although I highly doubt ecchi cartoons are morally safe, they definitely do not use real people so I’m not sure if they are as severe as images of an actual person. :\

I’m not sure about how the brain interprets cartoons. It’s been a long time since I have read any of the scientific literature on the subject, and I don’t remember if cartoons were included, or what they said about them. Nor do I remember what they found specifically about still photographs

However, it was quite clear that the mechanisms for looking at static images as opposed to conventional film were different - comparable to the difference between reading text and seeing a movie. A movie is processed directly, it isn’t interpreted like text or a painting, which goes through another level of “analysis” in the brain. It’s part of the reason small kids assume what they see on tv is real, but not what they read in a story.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I’m not sure about how the brain interprets cartoons. It’s been a long time since I have read any of the scientific literature on the subject, and I don’t remember if cartoons were included, or what they said about them. Nor do I remember what they found specifically about still photographs

However, it was quite clear that the mechanisms for looking at static images as opposed to conventional film were different - comparable to the difference between reading text and seeing a movie. A movie is processed directly, it isn’t interpreted like text or a painting, which goes through another level of “analysis” in the brain. It’s part of the reason small kids assume what they see on tv is real, but not what they read in a story.

I suppose so. However, taking older audiences (teenagers and young adults for example) into account, I believe they already have a general idea between what is a real person and what is not. I’m not sure if you’ve actually seen them, but the somewhat sexual cartoon characters my friends watch still had elements to them that you would never find on the normal person (e.g. cat-ears, hair-that-defies-physics, large eyes etc).

 

[Livaiduis]

Talk to her about it, but where in a normal conversation you would say “I don’t like you watching these movies” say instead “These movies make me feel uncomfortable”. Take the focus off of her (I would barely even bring up the fact that she actually watches them) and put the focus onto the movies themselves. Be sure to attack the movies, not her. Here’s a challenge, write up what you are going to say to her that expresses all your feelings on the issue without ever using the word “you”. Then she will not feel attacked.

my friend s right if that truely is how u feel about it , btw where these actual porn movies or just some ordinary movies with here and there some nudity in it? my opnion for this is completly opissite of yours, but that dosntot matter, wht matters is u

 

[Livaiduis]

I suppose so. However, taking older audiences (teenagers and young adults for example) into account, I believe they already have a general idea between what is a real person and what is not. I’m not sure if you’ve actually seen them, but the somewhat sexual cartoon characters my friends watch still had elements to them that you would never find on the normal person (e.g. cat-ears, hair-that-defies-physics, large eyes etc).

ah yes such nice manga to be looking at ^^

 

[Livaiduis]

Nudity should not be allowed to be shown in movies shown as entertainment in average movie theaters. The history of nudity in film indicates that it is primarily used in an exploitive manner without attached virtue.

In discussing great works of art, virtue must be considered.

Peace,
Ed

nudity sometimes goes of as beauty mate