Movies with sex and nudity a grave sin?

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I think that it depends on some things. Number one maturity level of the viewer. I myself have seen some nudity in films that was ok (mostly cuz it was a silhoutte) but it depends on how I tke it. If I look at the screen and have lust or something, then I should avoid those films, but if I can recognize that it is a film and a person and see it as I would see the sculpture of David then I am ok. #2 what is the purpose of the nudity? Most films fail this one miserably, like in a movie called Equus or in David Lynch’s Mulholland Drive. I was absolutly sick after seeing these films, why was I watching these in the first place? Brings me to my 3rd point, I was in a film class and these were 2 of the 13 films we were watching in the 4 week class. I had no idea they would be so horrible. All I could do was look away or read a book until the scenes past because in our final exam he was going to pick 4 movies from class to write about. I mean, a flash of something i can handle, shadows I can handle, but full frontals of men and women and lesbain and masterbation I cannot handle. Gives me the willies just thinking about it. Most films that get into theaters are not that bad, topless women, yes, backsides yes, but not what I saw in those films. Yucky.:mad:
 
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migurl:
I think that it depends on some things. Number one maturity level of the viewer. I myself have seen some nudity in films that was ok (mostly cuz it was a silhoutte) but it depends on how I tke it. If I look at the screen and have lust or something, then I should avoid those films, but if I can recognize that it is a film and a person and see it as I would see the sculpture of David then I am ok. #2 what is the purpose of the nudity? Most films fail this one miserably, like in a movie called Equus or in David Lynch’s Mulholland Drive. I was absolutly sick after seeing these films, why was I watching these in the first place? Brings me to my 3rd point, I was in a film class and these were 2 of the 13 films we were watching in the 4 week class. I had no idea they would be so horrible. All I could do was look away or read a book until the scenes past because in our final exam he was going to pick 4 movies from class to write about. I mean, a flash of something i can handle, shadows I can handle, but full frontals of men and women and lesbain and masterbation I cannot handle. Gives me the willies just thinking about it. Most films that get into theaters are not that bad, topless women, yes, backsides yes, but not what I saw in those films. Yucky.:mad:
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Mulholland Drive is Our Lord Jesus Christ in the disguise of a movie.
 
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Migurl, that would take a lot of explaining. I will say two things, though.

Jesus came for those who are sick. We must remember that.

Secondly, I would like to propose a question to you. Do you believe that God protects those who are honestly searching for him? If you answered yes, than I hope that you will pray to God for his protection while you give MD another try. Ask God (like I did) to show you if he is really there in this movie. If you believe in God, then he will protect you from harm. Therefore you can face the movie fearlessly. He will tell you if and when you should ‘look away’ from the screen - if that’s what he wants you to do.

I hope you will do this. And I hope you will tell us how it went for you.
 
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Migurl, that would take a lot of explaining. I will say two things, though.

Jesus came for those who are sick. We must remember that.

Secondly, I would like to propose a question to you. Do you believe that God protects those who are honestly searching for him? If you answered yes, than I hope that you will pray to God for his protection while you give MD another try. Ask God (like I did) to show you if he is really there in this movie. If you believe in God, then he will protect you from harm. Therefore you can face the movie fearlessly. He will tell you if and when you should ‘look away’ from the screen - if that’s what he wants you to do.

I hope you will do this. And I hope you will tell us how it went for you.
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Based on the USCCB review, I guess I’ll just have to take your word for it. usccb.org/movies/m/mulhollanddrive.htm

I think we can find God in everything connected to us and around us, but I am not going to find Him in a morally offensive film because I won’t be looking there.
 
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NFPfamily:
… because I won’t be looking there.
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If this is due to my inability to share my experiences of this movie adequately, then I’m sorry.
 
I didn’t see the conlcusion, but honestly I don’t see how you could say that anything about that film was good. It was disgusting. Lesbianism is a sin, masterbation is a sin, beating the life out of someone is a sin, adultery is a sin, immondesty is a sin…so basically this movie glorifies sin, or at least puts up in a place in such a way that is not good. If you try to say that is is supposed to disgust us like The Passion was supposed to make us sad, I kind of understand, but I still find the film greatly disgusting and personally feel like burning every copy I get my hands on. No one should be forced to watch it and I personally think it should never have been made. It just showcases the filth coming out of Hollywood these days and I am greatly ashamed of anyone who participated in this film and will most likely never see or support anything that the actors, writers, director etc. work on again.
 
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Pace:
If this is due to my inability to share my experiences of this movie adequately, then I’m sorry.
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Your experience has nothing to do with my not taking part in watching it. The fact that it is rated as morally offensive tells me enough. Some people do not need to be bombarded with graphic filth and immorality to find Jesus- I see Him in my children, my family, my neighbors, in day to day life, etc. I’m not discounting your journey of faith, but I would be careful of leading others to this film- it might not have the same effect. You could be leading others to the near occasion of sin. Sometimes God helps people find Him in dark places, but for those people who aren’t into that world, it is a dangerous place to be.
 
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migurl:
I didn’t see the conlcusion, but honestly I don’t see how you could say that anything about that film was good. It was disgusting. Lesbianism is a sin, masterbation is a sin, beating the life out of someone is a sin, adultery is a sin, immondesty is a sin…so basically this movie glorifies sin, or at least puts up in a place in such a way that is not good. If you try to say that is is supposed to disgust us like The Passion was supposed to make us sad, I kind of understand, but I still find the film greatly disgusting and personally feel like burning every copy I get my hands on. No one should be forced to watch it and I personally think it should never have been made. It just showcases the filth coming out of Hollywood these days and I am greatly ashamed of anyone who participated in this film and will most likely never see or support anything that the actors, writers, director etc. work on again.
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I watched it for approximately the twentieth time the other day. During that watching I realized that every part of that movie comes from (and returns back to) God; every last gesture, color, facial expression, set, light, shadow, etc. Perfection permeates every and all parts of it. Even the sin portrayed within it holds no power. It is a plaything; and we are kept perfectly safe from it’s allure. We are allowed the vantage point to see the sin crystal clearly, yet not participate. And even if we do decide to break through that protection and ‘participate’ in the sin, then we are participating in something that is indeed dead, for the “sin scenes” within this movie are so utterly and perfectly saturated in a mood of repulsiveness that it provides us with the starkest of contrasts, the free-est of decisions. It could not be made more clear what sin is. Sin could not possibly be left more naked (and therefore powerless) than is shown in this film.

In other words, we get a God’s-eye view of sin. That is probably why I feel the need always simply to use the phrase: MD is Jesus Christ; we are inside the mind of Christ. It’s like receiving the Eucharist: Sin is revealed as a plaything; something harmless and boring.
 
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NFPfamily:
Your experience has nothing to do with my not taking part in watching it. The fact that it is rated as morally offensive tells me enough.
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I post this familiar passage only for your consideration about trusting authority:

“So for the second time they called the man who had been blind, and said to him, “Give God the praise; we know that this man is a sinner.” He answered, “Whether he is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I know, that though I was blind, now I see.” They said to him, 'What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?” He answer them, “I have told you already, and you would not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you too want to become his disciples?” And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. We know that god has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he comes from.” The man answered, “Why, this is a marvel! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes.”
 
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LCMS_No_More:
So there’s secret fourth requirement for mortal sins…got it:
  1. Must concern grave matter
  2. You must know it’s grave matter
  3. You must give consent of the will
  4. If it’s sex, 2 and 3 don’t apply.
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The correct statement is: “Sexual sin is always grave matter.”

From the 1891 Baltimore Catechism #3:
Q. 1285. Why are sins of impurity the most dangerous?
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A. Sins of impurity are the most dangerous:
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  1. Because they have the most numerous temptations;
  2. Because, if deliberate, they are always mortal, and
  3. Because, more than other sins, they lead to the loss of faith.
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Pace:
I watched it for approximately the twentieth time the other day. During that watching I realized that every part of that movie comes from (and returns back to) God; every last gesture, color, facial expression, set, light, shadow, etc. Perfection permeates every and all parts of it. Even the sin portrayed within it holds no power. It is a plaything; and we are kept perfectly safe from it’s allure. We are allowed the vantage point to see the sin crystal clearly, yet not participate. And even if we do decide to break through that protection and ‘participate’ in the sin, then we are participating in something that is indeed dead, for the “sin scenes” within this movie are so utterly and perfectly saturated in a mood of repulsiveness that it provides us with the starkest of contrasts, the free-est of decisions. It could not be made more clear what sin is. Sin could not possibly be left more naked (and therefore powerless) than is shown in this film.

In other words, we get a God’s-eye view of sin. That is probably why I feel the need always simply to use the phrase: MD is Jesus Christ; we are inside the mind of Christ. It’s like receiving the Eucharist: Sin is revealed as a plaything; something harmless and boring.
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Perhaps, but this film is so disgusting I don’t think God would be down here promoting it to be made nor would He be pitching it to univeristies as a film for students to watch. Maybe some peple can see it the way you do, but 98% of this country don’t and I doubt God would want those images floating through our minds. Someone could use the same thought process to justify pornography so if the Catholic church condems that, I think its safe to say this movie should be condemed and on the “not allowed to see” list along with the Exorcist.
 
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