Moving Out of State--Major Marital Struggle

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I don’t get the sense that she will go out and get a job. :confused:
Pilots make huge money. Ever starting pay gets them beautiful homes and private schools.
She’s not going to want to get a job “just to have self esteem or something to do”.
If she wont even LOOK at places…she’s made up her mind.
Depression or no, she’s not one bit interested in this being a partnership. Why?
**Because she has not contributed/suggested alternatives. **

. Anyone remember the novel “The Pilot’s Wife?”
I knew two families that ended up that way. Sad really, sad.
It’s time for the “come to Jesus” talk.
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I don’t get the sense that she will go out and get a job. :confused:
Pilots make huge money. Ever starting pay gets them beautiful homes and private schools.
She’s not going to want to get a job “just to have self esteem or something to do”.
If she wont even LOOK at places…she’s made up her mind.
Depression or no, she’s not one bit interested in this being a partnership. Why?
**Because she has not contributed/suggested alternatives. **

. Anyone remember the novel “The Pilot’s Wife?”
I knew two families that ended up that way. Sad really, sad.
It’s time for the “come to Jesus” talk.
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Another thing–I’d encourage you to use your downtime on the road to read, at least a little whenever you can.

You can ask your wife’s doctor or your marriage counselor for some good popular books on depression and maybe read them on the road on a Kindle if you have one. Material on how to treat depression or the role of the spouse is probably the most useful to you.

A book you should probably read (even though you’re not in the target audience) is “The Girlfriend’s Guide to Surviving the First Year of Motherhood.” It is a very light quick read, but it has a complete chapter on postpartum depression and a complete chapter on sex. A lot of chapters from “The Girlfriend’s Guide to Getting Your Groove Back” are also very helpful. You may well decide that you’d like your wife to read one or both of those books. (Mom tip: if you stick a book in the bathroom, it’s possible to get a lot of reading done in one or two page increments.) These are not, of course, Catholic books, but Vicki Iovine knows a lot about the problems of young motherhood. They’re also very funny. They have cute cartoon covers and they aren’t serious, so the serious material goes down pretty easy.

I have a mildly autistic child, so I am big on behavior modification and positive reinforcement. The book I frequently recommend on CAF for this in a lot of different contexts is called “Don’t Shoot the Dog: The New Art of Teaching and Training.” That book also has a lot of serious material on the theory of training and behavior modification, but at the same time, it has a lot of cute and funny stories involving both people and animals to illustrate the points. I think you’ll find the book useful both as a husband and a father. I try to reread it as often as I can.

Boundaries in Marriage is a good one. I do have to say that some of their responses to bad behavior could easily descend into tit for tat, but the general principles are very sound. It’s a great book about being kind, respectful, and firm with your spouse.

Easter Joy is a big fan of John Gottman book. JG is a big marriage research guy and his theories are based in decades of lab research on how happy marriages work. I’ve recently read a couple of books by him (after having read snippets online) and I think “The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work” would be a good place for you to start. You can find some good online stuff by him (or inspired by him) too. John Gottman is famous for popularizing a 5-1 ratio for positive to negative remarks between spouses and that seems to have a lot of validity:

hbr.org/2013/03/the-ideal-praise-to-criticism

The Five Love Languages is another favorite–a lot of people swear by it. I recently read it, and I think it really is that good (although I personally feel like I like ALL of the love languages). I strongly suspect that you may be a “Works of Service” guy who needs to figure out if that is actually your wife’s love language.

None of these authors has the gospel truth or is infallible, but if you read a bunch of them, I think you’ll start being more effective as a husband (and a father). You’re doing a lot, but I think you need more theory to help you decide how to budget your efforts, rather than just flailing around doing everything you can think of and exhausting yourself.

Good luck!
 
Here’s another thought–when you are home, are you always taking the big kids?

I don’t know how old your youngest is, but I would strongly recommend making sure to do some stuff with the youngest, because from everything you’ve said, it’s the youngest that your wife needs some time away from. If you spend a lot of time with the fun, easy older kids while your wife always draws baby duty, it’s eventually going to feel very unfair. (You may not be doing that, but watch your balance.)

With regard to the move, it can totally be done later if necessary. One thing I would encourage you to keep a mental (or paper list) of is cities that contain both a) a suitable airport and b) a relative or old friend. You would be surprised how much it can help to know even just one person in a new town. When we did our last move 9 years ago, it was to a state that I had never set foot in until we started planning the move and I had never considered living in. As it happened, a second cousin I had last talked to as a 10 year old was in school there. We overlapped in town for the first several years, and it was great! I had never seen much of her as a kid, but as grownups, we had so much in common and so much to talk about.

Another angle is your kids’ activities or possible special needs. This isn’t a big deal right now, but as your kids get bigger, their needs and interests are going to be getting more and more specific. For example, we happen to live in a town that has unusually good autism services for the area. If any of your children turn out to have special needs (which could easily happen in a big enough family), you may need to move just in order to get appropriate services or a good school placement. I also have a daughter that has gotten very musical. Availability of music teachers is a big deal with kids who do music (I have known a couple of families to drive four hours each way for lessons). While our local options are OK-to-good, I am aware that there’s a city two hours away that has much better music resources than our town. I would hate moving again a lot, but I could foresee situations where it would make sense. A lot of extracurriculars would have similar issues. So, keep your eyes open.

Best wishes!
 
The current situation is less than ideal for our marriage, because it literally divides us, for the sole purpose of staying near people that aren’t in our family…by choice. That hurts a great deal when I’m sitting alone in a cheap hotel on my off time.
I think you sound like a dad who really is committed to his family and loves them, but who maybe has some misguided ideas about what your family needs. I recall that your wife’s family does not live close enough to help out, but that she has built up a nice network of people in the community. Are these the people you are referring to here? If so, it doesn’t seem like she is so much choosing them over you as she is trying to survive. If you were to move, you would still be gone for weeks at a time, right? So she would have to start over somewhere new, alone and with three children. That’s a hard task for a woman who doesn’t suffer from depression, let alone one who does. Instead of thinking of it as her choosing them over you, think of it as her being overwhelmed. You might be able to spend some more time with the family if you move, but how much more? Is it worth uprooting your family and asking a depressed woman to handle getting settled and building up a new network herself, or might you table the idea at least until she is in a better place psychologically?

I think Xantippe mentioned this earlier too, but it does sound like you might not be considering that her views about what is beneficial for the family are not the same as your own. You thought you all had a lovely, fun trip, but it doesn’t sound like she enjoyed it. Possibly probably because of her depression, but also think about other possibilities. Did she pack everyone’s clothes and everything else? Did she mostly take care of the youngest while you played with the older kids? I ask this because often my own husband does not understand how much work is involved in even getting ready for a day trip somewhere with one toddler- he thinks it is fun because he does not have to pack the diaper bag, make sure there are extra clothes, get food and snacks ready, plan around naps, etc etc. So, while you might be thinking “If the family moves, she and the kids can come to see me more often and can fly standby for free, and we can take fun vacations” she might dread the idea of traveling on standby with three children and all of the work that would involve. I can’t even imagine it. That would not do wonders for my anxiety, and I’m sure it wouldn’t for her depression.

I remember commenting on this thread back when it was started, and asking whether it was you who chose to take this position, or whether the two of you decided together? I remember you writing that she had agreed to this kind of lifestyle and supported it initially, but don’t recall whether you taking this particular position was partly her choice. Perhaps clarifying that would help us to understand the situation more.
 
I think Xantippe mentioned this earlier too, but it does sound like you might not be considering that her views about what is beneficial for the family are not the same as your own. **You thought you all had a lovely, fun trip, but it doesn’t sound like she enjoyed it. **Possibly probably because of her depression, but also think about other possibilities. Did she pack everyone’s clothes and everything else? Did she mostly take care of the youngest while you played with the older kids? I ask this because often my own husband does not understand how much work is involved in even getting ready for a day trip somewhere with one toddler- he thinks it is fun because he does not have to pack the diaper bag, make sure there are extra clothes, get food and snacks ready, plan around naps, etc etc. So, while you might be thinking “If the family moves, she and the kids can come to see me more often and can fly standby for free, and we can take fun vacations” she might dread the idea of traveling on standby with three children and all of the work that would involve. I can’t even imagine it. That would not do wonders for my anxiety, and I’m sure it wouldn’t for her depression.
Good points.

I’m a fairly seasoned mom (oldest being 14), but I feel extreme dread about the idea of flying with 1-3-year-olds. We used to dutifully go visit family on the West Coast (five hour non-stop plus several hours of car plus hours of ground transportation between family stops) and it nearly killed me, especially since my husband was typically working throughout those trips. (And we only had one and then two children during those dutiful years.) I did some ridiculous things during those years, like pumping breast milk in yucky airport bathrooms.:eek:

At some point, I decided that I wasn’t willingly going to get on a plane with a 1 or 2 year old anymore. The last time our 4-year-old was on a plane was when she was in a bucket car seat and 8 months old. Since then, I’ve taken our big kids to the West Coast (and it’s been fabulous!), but I’m still going back and forth over taking Baby Girl to see family next summer or not. My parents, sister, and a number of other relatives haven’t seen her in person since she was an infant, which is kind of sad and not how I imagined this working out when we were first having children, but it’s better than the alternative.

I’m pretty blase about day trips as we have big kids to serve Baby Girl toys and refreshment. However, even just the prep for an overnight trip can be pretty harrowing. I typically cover an entire 8.5 X 11 sheet with lists of items to take. Once we’re on the road, it’s OK, but on a recent trip, we discovered that when we were all “sleeping” in a single hotel room, Baby Girl was waking us up every two hours. After that, I had a really hard time talking my husband down from his immediate reaction, which was NEVER doing this again. I did eventually sell him on the idea that next year will be different.
 
She has situational depression (adjustment disorder). She has no intention of ever filling the prescription because she has resigned herself to the way things are (her words).

Our marriage has never been perfect but it hasn’t been this bad forever. Until I meet the unknown standard, we cannot discuss moving.
 
She has situational depression (adjustment disorder). She has no intention of ever filling the prescription because she has resigned herself to the way things are (her words).

Our marriage has never been perfect but it hasn’t been this bad forever. Until I meet the unknown standard, we cannot discuss moving.
Please document this. She is so uninvested in your marriage. If this goes the way I think it will, you’ll want to be able to show that she has a diagnosed mental disorder that she has outright refused to attempt to treat.

Trying and not getting better is one thing. This is just :eek:
 
Oh no…please do whatever you can to get her to take that medicine. Everyone’s different, but I tend to get situational depression and medication is the only thing that helps me until it passes.
 
Please document this. She is so uninvested in your marriage. If this goes the way I think it will, you’ll want to be able to show that she has a diagnosed mental disorder that she has outright refused to attempt to treat.

Trying and not getting better is one thing. This is just :eek:
Yes. If she will not listen to the professionals, I doubt you will have much luck persuading her to compromise.
Is there any way you can accompany her to her Dr. Appointment?
This physician needs to know that something is terribly wrong, something that a batch of pills won’t likely fix.
 
Please document this. She is so uninvested in your marriage. If this goes the way I think it will, you’ll want to be able to show that she has a diagnosed mental disorder that she has outright refused to attempt to treat.

Trying and not getting better is one thing. This is just :eek:
I wouldn’t fret about the documentation too much. He apparently is pretty skilled at convincing third parties that she is the problem.
 
She has situational depression (adjustment disorder). She has no intention of ever filling the prescription because she has resigned herself to the way things are (her words).

Our marriage has never been perfect but it hasn’t been this bad forever. Until I meet the unknown standard, we cannot discuss moving.
At this point, moving would be very, very low on my list of priorities if I were you. For one thing, you don’t have a prayer of it happening at this point, barring some major change in circumstances and it’s not even clearly desirable for your family. Secondly, in my experience, you can only fight one big disagreement with your spouse at a time. Fighting two different disagreements at the same time puts you in the same situation that Hitler was when he was fighting both in France and the Soviet Union–spread too thin and losing on both fronts. One thing at a time–and always choose the more important thing. That would be your wife’s mental health. (And no matter how positive a move might be long-term, in the short term, I would expect your wife to lose a lot of ground in terms of functioning.)

I have to mention that there is a strong possibility that your wife’s mental health will improve spontaneously with time, especially if she gets a break from pregnancy and early motherhood and develops a social life through your kids’ preschool and school. School activities and social life have the potential of giving her social stimulation that will help lift her out of her current rut.

Next time you go to marriage counseling (and I hope it will be soon) and your wife asks for you to start doing something, I’d say, “Sure–and I want you to take your depression medication and be seeing somebody for your depression.” (Or whatever you’ve learned from your reading is the standard of care.) But you need to keep it so it sounds small, reasonable and proportional to whatever she was asking. And you go ahead and fill her prescription for her. Make it easy for her to follow through and do the thing you want her to do. You may also need to make appointments for her and to make sure she goes to them. You are going to need to spoon feed her. I expect that part of the reason she is refusing to do medication is that she is overwhelmed by all of the separate steps involved in obtaining and remembering medication–take over as many as you can until she starts getting better and maybe set up some sort of reminder system for when you are out of town.

There is literally nothing more important you can do for your family right now.

If she says yes to taking medication, great! (Although, of course there can be issues with fine tuning medication, so be prepared that if it’s not working, you need to go back to the doctor for an adjustment, not just give up.) If she says no, here are some options:

–Point out that if her situation is hopeless, there’s no harm in taking medication. She won’t be worse off if she does, and she may be better off–it’s all win. (Of course, it’s a little more complicated than that, but you’re dealing with a depressed lady–she’s not firing on all cylinders)
–If she still says no, make an appointment with a priest she respects. Even if he isn’t friendly to medication, he has probably seen some SAD people, and will probably be encouraging about the value of doing stuff as opposed to not doing stuff. There might even be somebody in the parish who could talk to her about being a mom and dealing with depression that could tell her a story that she would connect with. In fact, come to think of it, there are numerous CAF women who have inspiring stories of coming out of postpartum/SAHM depression.
–If she still says no, share information with her about the effect of depressed mothers on children’s development in your counseling sessions. Tell her that if she doesn’t pursue treatment, she is potentially hurting her children. It’s not just her or you that is affected if she is half the mother that she could be. (Obviously shut up about how she’s not half the wife she could be–the mom card is a much stronger card–so play that one.) You will be able to find a lot of material on the harmful effects of maternal depression. Of course, you don’t want to push her over the edge into despair, but that is the primary consideration here, that depressed mothers are bad at mothering and the longer she is depressed, the more potential there is that her depression will harm the kids.

After that, if it’s still no, it’s a real no man’s land. You could theoretically take medical leave if she isn’t taking medication or following a treatment plan. Also, is there anybody locally in her family or among her friends who is is sensible and discreet and could be your ally? But I realize that both of those options are fraught with problems.

With regard to divorce, I see some big practical problems. Here is the basic range of options:
  1. You and your wife get a divorce and (best case scenario) you get 50/50 custody. Your kids spend half their time with you and half their time with a low-functioning untreated depressed mom. :eek: You wind up having roughly as much time with your kids as you do now and regard as inadequate, which makes the whole thing pretty pointless.
  2. You and your wife get a divorce and (because of the untreated depression), you get nearly 100% custody. You have to leave your airline career in order to be home enough and your income is perhaps cut in two. :eek: Again, you could have left the airline for half the income without the divorce–so again, it’s pretty pointless.
  3. You talk your wife into aggressive treatment for her depression, you save your marriage and live happily ever after.
I favor #3 if at all possible. Neither #1 or #2 is very attractive. (I realize #3 is a bit lacking in detail, but there are a lot of different options for living happily ever after.)
 
At this point, moving would be very, very low on my list of priorities if I were you. For one thing, you don’t have a prayer of it happening at this point, barring some major change in circumstances and it’s not even clearly desirable for your family. Secondly, in my experience, you can only fight one big disagreement with your spouse at a time. Fighting two different disagreements at the same time puts you in the same situation that Hitler was when he was fighting both in France and the Soviet Union–spread too thin and losing on both fronts. One thing at a time–and always choose the more important thing. That would be your wife’s mental health. (And no matter how positive a move might be long-term, in the short term, I would expect your wife to lose a lot of ground in terms of functioning.)

I have to mention that there is a strong possibility that your wife’s mental health will improve spontaneously with time, especially if she gets a break from pregnancy and early motherhood and develops a social life through your kids’ preschool and school. School activities and social life have the potential of giving her social stimulation that will help lift her out of her current rut.

Next time you go to marriage counseling (and I hope it will be soon) and your wife asks for you to start doing something, I’d say, “Sure–and I want you to take your depression medication and be seeing somebody for your depression.” (Or whatever you’ve learned from your reading is the standard of care.) But you need to keep it so it sounds small, reasonable and proportional to whatever she was asking. And you go ahead and fill her prescription for her. Make it easy for her to follow through and do the thing you want her to do. You may also need to make appointments for her and to make sure she goes to them. You are going to need to spoon feed her. I expect that part of the reason she is refusing to do medication is that she is overwhelmed by all of the separate steps involved in obtaining and remembering medication–take over as many as you can until she starts getting better and maybe set up some sort of reminder system for when you are out of town.

There is literally nothing more important you can do for your family right now.

If she says yes to taking medication, great! (Although, of course there can be issues with fine tuning medication, so be prepared that if it’s not working, you need to go back to the doctor for an adjustment, not just give up.) If she says no, here are some options:

–Point out that if her situation is hopeless, there’s no harm in taking medication. She won’t be worse off if she does, and she may be better off–it’s all win. (Of course, it’s a little more complicated than that, but you’re dealing with a depressed lady–she’s not firing on all cylinders)
–If she still says no, make an appointment with a priest she respects. Even if he isn’t friendly to medication, he has probably seen some SAD people, and will probably be encouraging about the value of doing stuff as opposed to not doing stuff. There might even be somebody in the parish who could talk to her about being a mom and dealing with depression that could tell her a story that she would connect with. In fact, come to think of it, there are numerous CAF women who have inspiring stories of coming out of postpartum/SAHM depression.
–If she still says no, share information with her about the effect of depressed mothers on children’s development in your counseling sessions. Tell her that if she doesn’t pursue treatment, she is potentially hurting her children. It’s not just her or you that is affected if she is half the mother that she could be. (Obviously shut up about how she’s not half the wife she could be–the mom card is a much stronger card–so play that one.) You will be able to find a lot of material on the harmful effects of maternal depression. Of course, you don’t want to push her over the edge into despair, but that is the primary consideration here, that depressed mothers are bad at mothering and the longer she is depressed, the more potential there is that her depression will harm the kids.

After that, if it’s still no, it’s a real no man’s land. You could theoretically take medical leave if she isn’t taking medication or following a treatment plan. Also, is there anybody locally in her family or among her friends who is is sensible and discreet and could be your ally? But I realize that both of those options are fraught with problems.

With regard to divorce, I see some big practical problems. Here is the basic range of options:
  1. You and your wife get a divorce and (best case scenario) you get 50/50 custody. Your kids spend half their time with you and half their time with a low-functioning untreated depressed mom. :eek: You wind up having roughly as much time with your kids as you do now and regard as inadequate, which makes the whole thing pretty pointless.
  2. You and your wife get a divorce and (because of the untreated depression), you get nearly 100% custody. You have to leave your airline career in order to be home enough and your income is perhaps cut in two. :eek: Again, you could have left the airline for half the income without the divorce–so again, it’s pretty pointless.
  3. You talk your wife into aggressive treatment for her depression, you save your marriage and live happily ever after.
I favor #3 if at all possible. Neither #1 or #2 is very attractive. (I realize #3 is a bit lacking in detail, but there are a lot of different options for living happily ever after.)
So again all is down to the wife? Medicate her? Maybe he who needs it actually,OP has not given an inch and has no intention of doing so

Does the wife know of this thread by the way?
 
She has situational depression (adjustment disorder). She has no intention of ever filling the prescription because she has resigned herself to the way things are (her words).

Our marriage has never been perfect but it hasn’t been this bad forever. Until I meet the unknown standard, we cannot discuss moving.
If your wife is ill and cannot handle the medical care herself the perhaps you need to leave your job and plug in at home until things are more managable. This has been going on for a long time and seems to be getting worse. At some point you might have to choose.
 
If your wife is ill and cannot handle the medical care herself the perhaps you need to leave your job and plug in at home until things are more managable. This has been going on for a long time and seems to be getting worse. At some point you might have to choose.
Yeah, the worse her mental health is, the less workable it is for you to leave her alone with several children for any substantial length of time–including the 1/3 a month every month or whatever that you’d be gone if your family relocated to a more convenient airport community. That would require very robust mental health, especially with no local support.

As I may have mentioned previously, it only took Andrea Yates an hour to drown five children.
 
If your wife is ill and cannot handle the medical care herself the perhaps you need to leave your job and plug in at home until things are more managable. This has been going on for a long time and seems to be getting worse. At some point you might have to choose.
If he leaves his job to care for her, their lives will change drastically. Have you ever seen what happens when someone has to leave a job due to illness in the family?

If they have a house payment on a home they bought on his much larger salary, they may lose it and end up in an apartment or with relatives. If the kids are in private school, there’s a good chance that’s over. If they have any loans or credit cards or other debt assumed under a much higher income, they could drown in interest. Car payments? Here’s hoping they can make them. Ultimately, she will probably have to get a job too, and judging from this thread, she really wouldn’t want that.

Cancer treatment centers bend over backwards to try to help partners and parents of the sick person keep working (chemo at 10pm anyone?) because financial concerns are so enormous to the patient, caretaker, and whole family. I’m having a very hard time justifying this extreme action over depression she refuses to treat when if it were a tumor, her oncologist would refer them to services and info to help him work while she goes through treatment - yes, even if it meant transferring to another hospital.

Just leaving a skilled job for something more local will slash their income to a fraction of what it was. I hate to be a party pooper, but money is a harsh fact of life and necessary to a family. I really can’t think of any job a pilot can switch to and make even 45k annually right off the bat with no training - and even 45 would be a huge step down.

She has a choice, accept treatment for her depression or not. But quitting his job to care for her, especially when she’s refusing to try, could ruin them financially for years.

He’s already working like crazy to support a wife who doesn’t want to budge to make it even a tiny bit easier. How do you all expect him to be superman and continue this level of support, only without a job? The only way I can think of is to take up counterfeiting.
 
Wow, busy place here.
  1. I intend to ask my wife about her depression and meds. When she first told me of the diagnosis, she made it very clear that she couldn’t handle any more discussion of moving because of her diagnosis.
  2. We are running out of things to talk about, period. I don’t discuss work with her (because then the whole extended family hears about it and I have to talk about it with them), and I really don’t have time for hobbies anymore, aside from my hobby of traveling to and from work. Nearly all parish activities require a regular time commitment, so I am on the outside looking in as far as local parish life goes. I just found out we got a new priest the other day. He’s been here for 6 months. We do talk about the kids. And football. I do attend Mass and Confession on the road as much as I can. Most Sundays I make it.
  3. The counselor has not mentioned emotional abuse to either of us. The greatest stress time for me was when I worked a job with an extremely erratic work and travel schedule. Basically I was never home long enough to engage at home. There was no outlet. Changing to a different company in my career field relieved a huge amount of that stress for all of us.
  4. I give to this household everything I can. I plan and cook all the meals and spend a great deal of time with my children when I’m home, in addition to the usual “manly” duties of keeping our cars and house running (somewhat) smoothly. My two older kids know how to ride two wheelers because I taught them. I take the kids tent-camping to give my wife a break (though I was unable to work this in this past summer), and they LOVE it. My oldest learned how to read because I taught her. While I may not be here much, I pour my soul into this family as best I know how. As the kids get older in school, I know that there are much greater opportunities for parental involvement such as sports teams and such. Under the current arrangement, I will be very, very irregular in “being there” as the years go on and commitments increase. Home life is very, very compressed into a small timeframe. I found myself frequently mowing the lawn in the dark this summer because there wasn’t enough time in the day.
  5. An intermediate move was discussed, that would still have me traveling a few hundred miles to work. At the end of the day though, the lifestyle improvement wasn’t going to be worth the high financial cost, with separating from our current network, and ending up further from my wife’s extended family…with me still having to catch a flight to go to work.
  6. My largest frustration right now is that I’ve tried every imaginable way to discuss this move and to make it palatable for my wife, while making it very clear that I can’t live under the current arrangement much longer…and it’s still a third-rail topic. I feel completely, 100% disregarded. I’ve written letters to her and received no response. Countless people that I know (as well as some that we both know) have offered to help offer insight into moving into various different cities, and she has refused to talk with them. “Field trips” have been vetoed. I’ve told her that I would make sure she could make it back to see her extended family when she needed, even if that means buying tickets for everyone, but she says she hates to fly with kids (understandable, but it beats driving). I’ve run out of ways to sweeten the deal.
  7. At least two of the cities would allow easy non-stop access back to the airport nearest her home. The others would get her within a 3 hour drive after the flight landed.
I appreciate everyone’s thoughts here, but feel we may have exceeded the useful life of this thread. I just really hope our family can figure this out. I believe in this family…if I can just get them to believe in us, together.
I’ve read this thread and didn’t post to offer any advice because I honestly don’t know what to do in the circumstances you described. I admire very much what you are doing to try to hold your family together and provide for them in incredibly difficult circumstances.

I don’t have any advice to offer but I offer you my prayers. :gopray:
 
Just leaving a skilled job for something more local will slash their income to a fraction of what it was. I hate to be a party pooper, but money is a harsh fact of life and necessary to a family. I really can’t think of any job a pilot can switch to and make even 45k annually right off the bat with no training - and even 45 would be a huge step down.
He’s an airline pilot, not someone who flies old timey biplanes on the weekend. They have unmatched management and leadership experience along with technical knowledge. Plus, employers think they are super interesting and exciting. They can compete for management and consulting jobs that pay significantly more than $45k.
 
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