MP and Mutual Enrichment

[FrRJBoyd]

When Pope Benedict issued the MP a year and a half ago, he said that it was his desire that the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms would mutually enrich each other. I’m wondering if anyone has had any experience of such an enrichment.

Personally, as a priest who wanted to offer the TLM since his ordination, but who did not receive the indult, I can honestly say that offering the TLM has deepened the way I offer the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I always did the best I could to offer the Mass reverently and according to the rubrics, but, although I cannot put my finger exactly on the reason, I know offering the TLM has deepened my reverence during the celebration of the Ordinary Form of the Mass. For example, I choose to say the Roman Canon because of its richness and tradition, and, in my mind, I often imagine the various gestures I would make during the Extraordinary Form.

I hope that the new saints, such as St. (Padre) Pio and St. Teresa Benedicta a Cruce (Edith Stein) are added to the traditional calendar soon, even though this may mean reducing to a commemoration the Feast of St. Linus and the Vigil of St. Lawrence.

God bless,

Fr. Boyd

 

[PJM]

When Pope Benedict issued the MP a year and a half ago, he said that it was his desire that the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms would mutually enrich each other. I’m wondering if anyone has had any experience of such an enrichment.

Personally, as a priest who wanted to offer the TLM since his ordination, but who did not receive the indult, I can honestly say that offering the TLM has deepened the way I offer the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I always did the best I could to offer the Mass reverently and according to the rubrics, but, although I cannot put my finger exactly on the reason, I know offering the TLM has deepened my reverence during the celebration of the Ordinary Form of the Mass. For example, I choose to say the Roman Canon because of its richness and tradition, and, in my mind, I often imagine the various gestures I would make during the Extraordinary Form.

I hope that the new saints, such as St. (Padre) Pio and St. Teresa Benedicta a Cruce (Edith Stein) are added to the traditional calendar soon, even though this may mean reducing to a commemoration the Feast of St. Linus and the Vigil of St. Lawrence.

God bless,

Fr. Boyd

:nope: :crying: Sorry I can’t add to the decussion from personal experience. There is no Extrodinary Form LM available to us within an 80 mile drive. (What a wonderful discription of what the LM really is… Extrodinary

I wrote to my Bishop, with great respect, and requested aditional Mass’s by that was nearly a year ago and still none available.

But OH!, How I do remember, the piety and holiness. Dear God please…

Thanks for asking!

 

[WhollyRoamin]

Fr. Z often mentions how when a priest learns to say the TLM, he’ll never offer the NOM the same way again. I believe it.

Unfortunately, I’ve had the opposite reaction as a layman. When I found the TLM, it has increased my contempt for the Ordinary Mass typically offered in the rounds spaceships of suburbia. It’s taken a lot of prayer and dedication to be able to be peacefully bi-formal.

I suppose I’m typical for trads like that. We have a tendency to nitpick-- and unfairly so. I cannot throw the first stone, when I was an altar boy in the NOM, I was a bad altar boy. Confeitor!

 

[ravenonthecross]

God bless you. I’m glad, Father. I pray that our Lord works to restore the Holy Tridentine Mass to all Roman Rite Parishes.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Father, my bishop merely “acknowledged” the MP in the diocesan newspaper. Two weeks later it was followed by a scathing editorial from the diocesan chancellor stating that “nobody wants the TLM” and that the indult parish more than fulfills the need.

The indult parish is strictly Low Mass. No Missa Cantata that I knew as a child. No choir. I am a member of the cathedral parish and I sang in the choir for twenty years. I was an altar boy from 1959 through 1969. I have offered my services to sing in a schola or as an altar server.

I would be happy with a sung High Mass once a month.

 

[barb_finnegan]

There is a priest I know who does a lot of EF ‘touches’ in his NO Mass. He ALWAYS kept his thumb and index fingers together after the Consecration. He almost always used the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer I). In the parish he was last assigned, he always allowed kneeling for Communion at daily Mass-I was one of those who advantage of that! And there were a couple of Masses * when he was the only one to distribute Holy Communion [yay-no EMHCs!].

He’s now on a one-year assignment at the FSSP’s St. Gregory’s Academy in PA-he didn’t get a new parish assignment (my diocese is going through a ‘reconfiguration’…oy). He comes back to Upstate NY twice a month to say the Latin Mass.*

 

[KestrelRose]

I can’t speak for any one except myself. I have been enriched. It helps me to understand the TLM having been part of the N.O. because it is easier to follow and understand . I have noticed that the NO Mass in my church has become more reverent and more beautiful because of the influence of the TLM.

This is my observation only.

 

[Cider]

Sadly no, but that is because we don’t have a TLM within our diocese, the closest one is at least 200 miles away. I was hoping we would have at least 1 by now.

 

[JPUSC]

I think that the faithful has always craved the Catholic culture that was almost lost post-Vatican II.

If you remember the “apparitions craze” of the 90’s, you’ll know what I mean. At these “apparition sites,” you saw the daily recitation of the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet and the singing of traditional hymns. There were statues and sacramentals everywhere. Some of the messages received by alleged “visionaries” were condemnations of the moral decay in society.

Compare this to some modern-day parishes with stark architecture and no statues, discouragement of Marian devotions, Lifeteen and boring guitar folk music, no Eucharistic devotions, ecumenical prayers using wiccan terminology (I was handed a prayer card one time with this weird prayer invoking the wind or something) or inclusive language, uninspiring sermons.

I read that some also wanted to change the rosary in the spirit of Vatican II, but

Paul VI responded personally to these proposals. To avoid confusion, he said, it would be better not to speak of different forms of the rosary. Because the rosary is the prayer of “the simple, the poor, the illiterate and blind,” any attempt at changing it, especially at this time, would result in great confusion and might be “psychologically disastrous.” People would say, “the pope is now changing even the rosary.” The traditional form alone should be called the rosary; the proposed second and third forms, although encouraged and recommended, should be called something other than the rosary, possibly “Marian devotion” or “Marian hour.”

campus.udayton.edu/mary//resources/rosary.html

Personally, I used to have a negative connotation of the term, “Tridentine Mass” in the 90’s because the only literature I found that mentioned it were published either by sedevacantists or Bayside “apparition” promoters. Now, I am assured of its validity because the Holy Father has encouraged it.

With Pope Benedict XVI’s moto propio, the taboo surrounding the Tridentine Mass (which many thought was prohibited) was lifted and is slowly bringing back Catholic culture and identity.

Now, I go to both ordinary and extraordinary forms regularly. The MP has normalized the TLM and will soon start to transform parishes worldwide.