Mr.007 A License to Shoot ... Ms.007 A License to Kill

[wynnejj]

Mr.007 A License to Shoot … Ms.007 A License to Kill

The “culture of death” is fueled by giving men the license to shoot without a marriage license.

The “culture of death” is fueled by giving women the license to kill in a spirit of no-fault responsibility.

The “culture of death” is fueled by the lack of “gun control” on men & women.

Sex without Responsibility must be made a crime.

Sex without a marriage license must be made a crime.

Biological fathers must be identified & held responsible for their children.

Let’s face it. Men wake up and say “I must be in heaven” when they envision that lady with a funny name.

Let’s face it. Sex without responsibility is a license to shoot & a license to kill.

Let’s face it. Abortion IS Murder and the legal pursuit is hampered by the lack of “gun control” laws.

Here’s a thread that is bound to be dead on arrival…

 

[Pfaffenhoffen]

Mr.007 A License to Shoot … Ms.007 A License to Kill

The “culture of death” is fueled by giving men the license to shoot without a marriage license.

The “culture of death” is fueled by giving women the license to kill in a spirit of no-fault responsibility.

The “culture of death” is fueled by the lack of “gun control” on men & women.

Sex without Responsibility must be made a crime.

Sex without a marriage license must be made a crime.

Biological fathers must be identified & held responsible for their children.

Let’s face it. Men wake up and say “I must be in heaven” when they envision that lady with a funny name.

Let’s face it. Sex without responsibility is a license to shoot & a license to kill.

Let’s face it. Abortion IS Murder and the legal pursuit is hampered by the lack of “gun control” laws.

Here’s a thread that is bound to be dead on arrival…

Why

Here’s a thread that is bound to be dead on arrival…

???

 

[St_Francis]

Mr.007 A License to Shoot … Ms.007 A License to Kill

The “culture of death” is fueled by giving men the license to shoot without a marriage license.

The “culture of death” is fueled by giving women the license to kill in a spirit of no-fault responsibility.

The “culture of death” is fueled by the lack of “gun control” on men & women.

Sex without Responsibility must be made a crime.

Sex without a marriage license must be made a crime.

Biological fathers must be identified & held responsible for their children.

Let’s face it. Men wake up and say “I must be in heaven” when they envision that lady with a funny name.

Let’s face it. Sex without responsibility is a license to shoot & a license to kill.

Let’s face it. Abortion IS Murder and the legal pursuit is hampered by the lack of “gun control” laws.

Here’s a thread that is bound to be dead on arrival…

I like what you have written here.

It’s interesting because in another thread, someone suggested that the main differences in morality between the Church and others relate to sexuality, but in fact, they relate to life and death, and here you have shown that very well, and in a clever way.

 

[wynnejj]

Why

???

Because I got no response to this post on this thread…

Re: Legal problems that may arise if abortion is considered murder?

True. The rhetoric of “Abortion is Murder” has found little traction in terms of hard proposals in the Pro-Life movement to make those who seek to procure an illegal abortion liable to the same punishment as those who provide an abortion.

For that to work, one has to put an equal responsibility on the biological father to take responsibility for the developing baby to financially support the mother & child through the pregnancy and childhood.

For that to work, one has to make casual sex illegal by insisting that anyone caught in the act of sex without a marriage certificate would be subject to some form of criminal offense.

If that were in place, there would be public disapproval of media entertainment that promotes casual sex without taking responsibility, modesty would be in vogue, and children would be much more likely to respect authority because they come from responsible two-parent households.

As it is, the Pro-Life movement is totally focused on articulating attacking supply-side abortion. Once past this point, it would indeed be good for the Pro-Life movement to continue the battle for these next phases.

As far as the Orwellian “big brother” approach with excessive regulation of activities of pregnant women, well it could indeed happen with over-reaching public sector economy whose income depends on coming up with new and creative ways to create jobs.

 

[wynnejj]

I like what you have written here.

It’s interesting because in another thread, someone suggested that the main differences in morality between the Church and others relate to sexuality, but in fact, they relate to life and death, and here you have shown that very well, and in a clever way.

I hope the “DOA” teaser at the end of my opening post sparks intelligent conversation on CAF to discuss how to reverse the “sexual revolution”.

James Bond’s primary task was to promote the security of the western world, but how can one do that when our “sexual revolution” strikes fear of infection into the hearts of the eastern world. What better way to stir up a spirit of Jihad? We are dealing with factions within an old world religion - whose values are rooted in OT times - that understands Joshua entering Canaan to doom heretical territories to become wasteland forever.

 

[St_Francis]

…The rhetoric of “Abortion is Murder” has found little traction in terms of hard proposals in the Pro-Life movement to make those who seek to procure an illegal abortion liable to the same punishment as those who provide an abortion.

For that to work, one has to put an equal responsibility on the biological father…

Yes!!! This is like the missing link!!!

How brilliant!

Oh, wow, this is such a wonderful analysis… I can’t even put it into words, but of course!

 

[TheTrueCentrist]

All those rules exist in some middle eastern countries. If you believe they are so important, why not move to one of them in support?

 

[JimG]

In many states, I believe, both fornication and adultery were at one time, crimes. Those laws are either no longer on the books, or not enforced. Fornication with a minor, however, even if consensual, remains a crime of statutory rape.

Removal of those laws made casual sex more consequence free, at least for the perpetrators. Still, casual sex can lead to death, so maybe the repeal of those laws was not an unmitigated good.

 

[wynnejj]

What is a mother and child without a father to support them, but virtually widows & orphans without a means of support?

Where is the cry for social justice application to the financially destitute “widow & orphan” of a “dead beat” dad?

If Abortion IS Murder, then it should be treated legally as murder, and both the procurer and provider must be held accountable.

The problem is that the mother is left a financial widow or the child is given up to adoption as an orphan. This problem could be resolved simply.

Both the mother & father have the right to demand a DNA test of the alleged father & newborn to affix or release financial responsibility for child support for pregnancy through childhood.

If the mother can’t produce the father, then she owns the responsibility entirely.

If the alleged father will not own up to the possibility of his fatherhood given the timing of the pregnancy, then if found to be the true father, he should be criminally charged (not for murder, but abandonment) AND held financially responsible.

Both true father & mother can be released from their responsibility through giving up the child to adoption.

 

[wynnejj]

All those rules exist in some middle eastern countries. If you believe they are so important, why not move to one of them in support?

No need. They’ll be coming to us, wise guy!

 

[wynnejj]

In many states, I believe, both fornication and adultery were at one time, crimes. Those laws are either no longer on the books, or not enforced. Fornication with a minor, however, even if consensual, remains a crime of statutory rape.

Removal of those laws made casual sex more consequence free, at least for the perpetrators. Still, casual sex can lead to death, so maybe the repeal of those laws was not an unmitigated good.

Could you elaborate on the highlighted sentence? I don’t understand your meaning.

 

[JimG]

Could you elaborate on the highlighted sentence? I don’t understand your meaning.

Well, the most obvious example of sex leading to death is abortion, about 1 million per year here in the United States. No method of contraception is perfect. None. So casual sex results in unexpected pregnancy. I don’t say unintended, because the nature of sexual relations is intended to lead to new life. Another example is sexually transmitted diseases, which have exploded in variety and severity since the advent of the sexual revolution. Some don’t lead to death but are incurable. Sexually transmitted HIV led to a lot of AIDS deaths before it was even realized that sexual transmission was a factor. The entire contraceptive culture supported the sexual revolution, which in turn led to every social ill warned about by Pope Paul VI, and then some. The consequences have been uniformly bad–fatherless families, children in poverty, aborted children, abandoned children, abandoned moms. And yet laws against fornication and adultery were considered a bad thing.

 

[wynnejj]

Well, the most obvious example of sex leading to death is abortion, about 1 million per year here in the United States. No method of contraception is perfect. None. So casual sex results in unexpected pregnancy. I don’t say unintended, because the nature of sexual relations is intended to lead to new life. Another example is sexually transmitted diseases, which have exploded in variety and severity since the advent of the sexual revolution. Some don’t lead to death but are incurable. Sexually transmitted HIV led to a lot of AIDS deaths before it was even realized that sexual transmission was a factor. The entire contraceptive culture supported the sexual revolution, which in turn led to every social ill warned about by Pope Paul VI, and then some. The consequences have been uniformly bad–fatherless families, children in poverty, aborted children, abandoned children, abandoned moms. And yet laws against fornication and adultery were considered a bad thing.

You know, I was reading “repeal of those laws” but mentally registering it with an entirely opposite sense of what you were saying. Of course, I’m in 100% agreement with what you are saying and appreciate your elaboration because it shows how much our country has drifted to the F.A.R. side with “Fornication & Adultery Rights”.

 

[wynnejj]

I think this thread is flat-lining … nothing shaken, nothing stirred … this baby is DOA …:sad_bye:

 

[Lujack]

There are many problems with such laws; the most convincing one to people on here will be that it will be frequently broken and almost impossible to enforce, since you’d have to pretty much catch people in flagrante delicto. The only way that would happen is if they’re having sex in a car or somewhere public (which is generally illegal for its own reasons) or if they have an enemy who hates them for some reason and calls the police.

A law that is primarily used as an instrument for winning a private feud, and a law that is broken almost all the time promotes nothing but disrespect for the law.

There’s also the issue of “Whose definition of fornication/adultery?” How does this take into account civil marriage? How does this take into account divorce and remarriage?

 

[wynnejj]

There are many problems with such laws; the most convincing one to people on here will be that it will be frequently broken and almost impossible to enforce, since you’d have to pretty much catch people in flagrante delicto. The only way that would happen is if they’re having sex in a car or somewhere public (which is generally illegal for its own reasons) or if they have an enemy who hates them for some reason and calls the police.

A law that is primarily used as an instrument for winning a private feud, and a law that is broken almost all the time promotes nothing but disrespect for the law.

There’s also the issue of “Whose definition of fornication/adultery?” How does this take into account civil marriage? How does this take into account divorce and remarriage?

As mentioned before, there have been fornication and adultery laws on the books for years in many states. And, you bet that they have been broken often given the nature of human sexuality. We weren’t an overly restricted Muslim-like country then, as suggested earlier. We were the same classic Americans that I would remember on TV in the 50s and 60s.

The idea of “marriage license” in my understanding could be a simple declared civil union which acknowledges their legal and financial responsibility to any baby conceived with the same understanding of child support for the born.

Privacy laws would apply. There would be no illegal search, no entry without a search warrant. Unwarranted allegations that defame character could be liable to serious counter-suit charges. The law wouldn’t have to go as far as requiring hotels to ensure couples are married accepting a simple declaration of marriage.

Marriage laws exist primarily to protect children. They are not designed to prevent sex, regardless of the nature, but rather to ensure the proper caring of children. Why? Because children are guaranteed life, which cannot be actualized unless their parents take responsibility.

My analysis likens this idea to gun laws. If a man goes out to hunt and takes all precaution not to hit another person but does so anyway, he can’t just kill the problem. Rather he owns the responsibility of caring for the victim through recovery.

 

[wynnejj]

As I have surveyed the web for info about adultery laws, it is becoming more apparent that these laws were on the books but not actively pursued. So I would have to say that trying to push for adultery laws will never fly. I’m convinced of the lack of practicality in pursuing that legal angle.

We know that crisis pregnancies really boils down to lack of a support structure to care for a child.

If abortion is made illegal, that will not prevent sex outside of marriage, but it will not feed the sex without consequences culture. If women have to pay the consequences of their dalliances, you know they would have to think twice about hooking their man … and so would the men if their reputations are on the line.

So I still think that pregnant mothers in crisis pregnancies should have the option to identify their lover, require a DNA test to prove paternity, and sue for child support. If under-age sex, parents of mother & father could be held financially responsible as well.

The bottom line … if you conceive a child, father & mother own the responsibility to care for the child. Abortion is not an option.

 

[wynnejj]

Although I admit the impracticality of trying to pursue fornication and adultery laws anytime soon in the American culture…

I do believe that fornication & adultery laws are the best way to restore family life in American culture.

The Muslim world has lessons for the Western world to learn…
Islamic Family Life

Pros:

1. Parents choose spouse, therefore less likely to dump religion. Never the rationale: “I’ll never find a spouse unless I agree to pre-marital relations. That’s the way its done nowadays. Besides, we both need to try before we buy into a lifetime commitment.”. My bet is this is truly the #1 reason for lapsed Catholics among young adults.
2. Marriages are generally unlikely to break apart which is conducive to rearing children.
3. Hierarchy of command is pre-determined.
4. St John Vianney would approve of chaperoned affairs for young men and women. Considered parental negligence otherwise. (ibid. two short sermons “The Duties of Parents” & “You Will Answer for their Souls” from the “Sermons of the Cure of Ars” TAN Books(1960).)

Cons:

1. Parents choose spouse, therefore circle of friends hold to common world views. Tends to divide societies into different intransigent camps. No Romeo & Juliet to bring two families together.
2. There are some vestiges of acceptance of polygamy for men.
3. Hierarchy of command is pre-determined.

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Note: Marriage is not a sacrament in Muslim culture but a binding legal contract.
In essence, a gun control law as I have drawn the analogy.

 

[DaveBj]

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1. St John Vianney would approve of chaperoned affairs for young men and women. Considered parental negligence otherwise. (ibid. two short sermons “The Duties of Parents” & “You Will Answer for their Souls” from the “Sermons of the Cure of Ars” TAN Books(1960).)

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:bigyikes:

Did you mean “chaperoned social events?”

(Good thread, BTW)

 

[wynnejj]

:bigyikes:

Did you mean “chaperoned social events?”

(Good thread, BTW)

St John Vianney would be rolling over in his grave.

“Is that like arriving in a limousine? Cool.”
“No. That’s a chauffeur. A chaperone is more like arriving with your mom in a station wagon.”

Thanks for the BTW. When I was a kid, I was not allowed to see James Bond movies because of the playboy image. Just as well. My favorite TV show of all time remains today “Secret Agent” with Patrick McGoohan who had a strong sense of morals and avoided the use of a gun and was respectful of woman. It is reported that McGoohan had been offered the original James Bond part but turned it down because he was not an image that he could justify to his daughters. He went on to be the top paid TV actor in Britain during his run with Secret Agent and later his own series “The Prisoner”.