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Lepanto
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Make mine Spock! 
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Teakafrog
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Data. Definitely Data.
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BradW
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Mr. Spock. Data had that whiny Pinnocio complex. Spock accepted who he was.
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Leopard
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Spock or Data for what purpose?
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dulcissima
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Data. I always liked Spock, but when TNG came out, Data really grew on me.
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Tantum_ergo
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Sorry, not enough information. Is this a personal liking or preference? Why just these two? The ālack of emotionā --well, in the end Data gets his āemotion chipā, and Spock has frequently been able to āaccessā his human emotions appropriately and yet also reconcile this to the Vulcan logic.
Spock in the earliest years wanted to be ājust oneāāand that one Vulcan --Data in the earliest years wanted to ābe humanā. Both were conflicted. Both thought --at various timesāthat they COULD have what they desired, and that they COULD NOT have what they desired. Both paid a price when they got what they wanted; both paid a price when they didnāt have what they wanted.
Which is the most interesting? It depends. Certainly Spock āsuffersā moreāit can be argued that Data, absent his āemotionā chipādoes not suffer while he lacks emotion though he certainly experiences āsomethingā which causes him to seek emotions.
Yet in the end, Data appears to gain the most happiness.
Spock in the earliest years wanted to be ājust oneāāand that one Vulcan --Data in the earliest years wanted to ābe humanā. Both were conflicted. Both thought --at various timesāthat they COULD have what they desired, and that they COULD NOT have what they desired. Both paid a price when they got what they wanted; both paid a price when they didnāt have what they wanted.
Which is the most interesting? It depends. Certainly Spock āsuffersā moreāit can be argued that Data, absent his āemotionā chipādoes not suffer while he lacks emotion though he certainly experiences āsomethingā which causes him to seek emotions.
Yet in the end, Data appears to gain the most happiness.
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Moneo
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A most intriguing choice. Fascinating. :ehh:
Data is an endearing character, but he was basically an attempt to have a Spock-like character on the bridge of the Enterprise without putting another Vulcan there. Because, at the time TNG premiered, if they had chosen to have another Vulcan on the bridge, pity the poor actor who would have had to follow in Leonard Nimoyās footsteps under the intense media and fan scrutiny and criticism of that first season.
And although Data later grew into a fully-rounded character in his own right, I still voted for Spock in the end. I just love the Vulcans! (Tim Russā Tuvok wasnāt bad either.)
But Data was still a great character and one of my all-time favourite Data moments was the poem he recited to his cat, Spot.
Data is an endearing character, but he was basically an attempt to have a Spock-like character on the bridge of the Enterprise without putting another Vulcan there. Because, at the time TNG premiered, if they had chosen to have another Vulcan on the bridge, pity the poor actor who would have had to follow in Leonard Nimoyās footsteps under the intense media and fan scrutiny and criticism of that first season.
And although Data later grew into a fully-rounded character in his own right, I still voted for Spock in the end. I just love the Vulcans! (Tim Russā Tuvok wasnāt bad either.)
But Data was still a great character and one of my all-time favourite Data moments was the poem he recited to his cat, Spot.
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thomasf
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Spock!
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TraceCub
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Data.
I cried at the end of Nemesis. Is that bad?
I cried at the end of Nemesis. Is that bad?
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DaveBj
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Moneo, thanks for the reminder. Iāve had that poem tucked away since the ep aired. I wish I knew which one of the ST-TNG writers actually wrote it, so I could attribute when I quote it.
My voteāData, for his desire to become more human.
My voteāData, for his desire to become more human.
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Hastrman
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Data. Even if his head is basically a bomb (positrons are antimatter) and they should only open its access panels in Sickbayās radiology (I figure itās as dangerous as a PET scan).
Has anybody noticed that everyone else Brent Spiner plays, is basically Lore? Dr. Soong is Lore; that scientist in Independence Day is Lore; Puck, in Disneyās Gargoyles, is like a nice Lore. Only Data, and Puckās alter ego Mr. Vogel, are any different (and Vogel is Data on Quaaludes).
Has anybody noticed that everyone else Brent Spiner plays, is basically Lore? Dr. Soong is Lore; that scientist in Independence Day is Lore; Puck, in Disneyās Gargoyles, is like a nice Lore. Only Data, and Puckās alter ego Mr. Vogel, are any different (and Vogel is Data on Quaaludes).
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PastGrandKnight
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āCrying is one of those things caused by your unseemly human emotions. As a Vulcan, I see no reason to stand here and continue to be insulted, Captain.āData.
I cried at the end of Nemesis. Is that bad?
lol
Seriously, as a real Trekker, I prefer CaptainSpock(his rank at the end) over Data. Spock was always logical and as a result, always correct.
He also grew more as a character over all these years! If you think back to āThe Cageā, and how ārigidā he was, and think forward to āUndiscovered Countryā, you see a more substantial change in Spock than in Data. Just think of Spockās last line in that film: āIf I were human, I believe my answer would beā¦goā¦toā¦hellā¦If I were human!ā (This was when Uhura announced that they had just received a message from Starfleet to put back to spacedock, to be de-commissioned. The camera panned the other characters before finally stopping at Spock.) There is no WAY we would have EVER imagined Spock coming up with a line like that in his early years.
Logical. Flawlessly logical.
Live Long and Prosper.
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crenfro
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Mr. Spock. Data wears too much make-up.
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MrZoom
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No, but Spockās death scene in The Wrath of Khan is better.Data.
I cried at the end of Nemesis. Is that bad?
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DaveBj
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Actually, his rank at the last Star-Trek-time appearance (two eps in Season 5 (I believe) of ST-TNG was Ambassador.
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Genesis315
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Spock hands downāif you say otherwise, Iāll give you the Vulcan nerve pinch.
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PastGrandKnight
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The rank of Ambassador was one that was accorded to him by the Federation.
The rank of Captain was a Starfleet rank.
Logically, a person could be part of the Federation and NOT be part of Starfleet at the same time.
I like Data.
But for your consideration:
Spock was never remote-controlled to hijack the Enterprise (TNG Brothers)
Spock wasnāt remote-fed with emotions and coerced to join the Borg (TNG Descent)
Spock didnāt steal a shuttlecraft and sing āA British Tarā over the comlink with the captain (Insurrection).
Quite honestly, if I were Starfleet, after that second incident, I would have seriously put Data up for dismantling.
But for your consideration:
Spock was never remote-controlled to hijack the Enterprise (TNG Brothers)
Spock wasnāt remote-fed with emotions and coerced to join the Borg (TNG Descent)
Spock didnāt steal a shuttlecraft and sing āA British Tarā over the comlink with the captain (Insurrection).
Quite honestly, if I were Starfleet, after that second incident, I would have seriously put Data up for dismantling.
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PastGrandKnight
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But letās see just how much of a REAL Trekker you areā¦
What was the āchangeā that Kirk made that allowed him to beat the Kobayashi Maru? Itās not mentioned in any of the episodes, nor are the details mentioned in any of the movies. However, it IS mentioned in one of the umpteen novels, and was approved by Roddenberry before he died. (approved because even Roddenberry thought the āchangeā was logical!)
Take a day or two to figure it out, if you need it.
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