Muhammad committed shirk many times

[jakasaki]

Post From Planten :

you should note that Muslims are told to believe in Allah and the messenger Muhammad.

Planten: Can you please explain **how **you are “told” to believe in allah and mohamad.

So we Muslims believe in Jesus too

But you don’t believe in Jesus the way we do! The Jesus in the koran is **not **the Jesus of the Bible.

You people have no real guidance with you.

Kindly show us where we have “**no **real guidance”.

You only are trying to find faults with Islam while there are none.

Please show us where **we **are “trying to find faults” with islam. Everything we post and reply to for discussion is in your koran and hadiths.

And each time you are accusing Islam or the prophet for something

No accusasions, only facts based on your books.

That should be enough to prove that you have false ideas.

Please, perhaps you should show us with **facts **our “false ideas” for a better understanding and dialoge.

Thanks!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Muslim Woman, can you verify that site is okay?

I just checked , it’s working
Answering Christianity

 

[jakasaki]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

I just checked , it’s working
Answering Christianity

I’m sorry. I would disagree. I just checked it and here is a copy/paste "untouched by me"… still stated Warning: dangerous downloads.

Answering Christianity
Warning: Dangerous Downloads
www.answering-islam.com - Cached

Answering Trinity- A full proof that Jesus is not GOD
Warning: Dangerous Downloads
Responding to Answering-Islam’s (wildcat’s) debate Review. … Rebuttal to Answering

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

…still stated Warning: dangerous downloads.

I did not try to download anything . I tried to open & it opened without any warning or virus alert.

 

[R_not]

Agabriel, the Catholics are guilty of adopting all the above sinful beliefs. They have a Lord (Jesus) besdies God. They have other Lords beside Jesus too, in fact so greater Lords that the Catholics follow those Lords more than jesus.

I have read all the rest of your post. It is useless becaus eyou have tried to attack our system via the books of Hadith. Nothing is given from the Quran to prove anything. So all is invalid.

That is not what I got from that post at all. I see that the hadiths just show that mohammed didn’t follow his own commands. And you guys like to keep bringing up Jesus as an excuse of why mohammed did what he did. Why do you do that? What we believe about Jesus doesn’t even apply here.

It is what you believe about mohammed. This is all related to mohammed, islam and allah - and what the followers of islam know about their own religion and the character they follow. You guys have a big problem in that for 1400 years muslims have killed because of the same things that mohammed has done. polytheism. mohammed inserted himself right up there with your allah.

We have no problem with Jesus and the Bible. That is our belief. So why do you keep bringing Him up? Deal with your own prophet.

If you want to talk about Jesus - start another thread.

I am afraid you are angry that your own texts tell us what we want to know about islam that makes it at the very least hypocritical, and at the most null and void.

 

[R_not]

I’m sorry. I would disagree. I just checked it and here is a copy/paste "untouched by me"… still stated Warning: dangerous downloads.

Answering Christianity
Warning: Dangerous Downloads
www.answering-islam.com - Cached

Answering Trinity- A full proof that Jesus is not GOD
Warning: Dangerous Downloads
Responding to Answering-Islam’s (wildcat’s) debate Review. … Rebuttal to Answering

I wouldn’t enter it. Why bother? It is basically a muslim site about Christianity. Have you gotten the idea that any muslim that you have discussed our religion with has a clue about Christianity? I haven’t.

I went to the koran and hadiths, their own history of jihad and of mohammed to find out about islam. They won’t bother to do the same.

 

[jakasaki]

I wouldn’t enter it. Why bother? It is basically a muslim site about Christianity. Have you gotten the idea that any muslim that you have discussed our religion with has a clue about Christianity? I haven’t.

I went to the koran and hadiths, their own history of jihad and of mohammed to find out about islam. They won’t bother to do the same.

Agreed!

I too use islamic koranic sites and when I post verses from their books they still don’t like it.

I remember something Father Zakarias <–(spelling) said once to the muslims.

“hey, it’s in your holy books, if you don’t like it, well then get rid of the books”…

 

[R_not]

Agreed!

I too use islamic koranic sites and when I post verses from their books they still don’t like it.

I remember something Father Zakarias <–(spelling) said once to the muslims.

“hey, it’s in your holy books, if you don’t like it, well then get rid of the books”…

I think that the word you misspelled was the word, ‘holy’. It should have been ‘holey’!

 

[chrisse]

I just checked , it’s working
Answering Christianity

Thanks, MW

 

[inJESUS]

am assuming nothing. Muhammad inserted his name alongside God, putting himself on the same level. He did the same when he said Allah and Muhammad decree, Allah and Muhammad say, Allah and Muhammad do this and that…

Is it not enough that Catholics have made a man into God?

John starts with the Word IS God, and then proceeds to same the Word became flesh so please do not repeat Muhammad’s mistake…repeating Muhammad’s mistake will not change what we believe in.

 

[R_not]

Islamic Laws
The Qur’anic Teachings

What is Shirk?
-Taking human beings from among ourselves as Lords or patrons besides allah.
-Taking angels or prophets as Lords or patrons besides allah.
-Taking Ahbaar and Rahbaan (religious authorities) as Lords and patrons besides allah.
-Worshipping, obeying and adoring of anything besides allah.
-Taking Masters (wali) other than allah. to ascribe allah’s partners in his command or rule.
-To ascribe allah’s partners in his kingship or dominion.
-To ascribe allah’s partners in his lordship.
-To be divided into sects.
-Failing to establish the Just Economic System of Zakat

I can show you that Muhammad committed shirk - quite often in fact - via Islam’s own texts - al tirmidhi hadiths (5th of the accepted 6)

I.
#936, allah’s messenger said: ‘He who invokes blessings upon Muhammed saying: “O Allah, cause him to occupy the nearest seat to thee on the Day of Resurrection, my intercession will be assured for him.”’
(Here Muhammed is making himself patron and lord, partnering with Allah (who actually needs a bit of help). Since only ‘Divine God’ - Christ - has been given 'all judgment, and no intercession will be allowed, is this madman of Mecca committing the unforgiveable sin of shirk" )

II.
tirmidhi #929, '…I said: “May I devote the whole of my supplication to you? (my prayer)?” Thereupon he (Muhammed) said: ‘In that case it will take care of you and your sins would be expiated.’
(So, supplicating to Muhammed takes care of sin? This is heretical shirk!)

III.
#933, Allahs’ messenger said: ‘The niggardly is the one before whom I am mentioned and he does not invoke blessings upon me.’
( Another comdemnation for anyone who forgets that mohammed is the focus of islam’s teachings. He’s nesteled right in allah’s lap as its partner.)

IV.
#938 The supplication is stopped between heaven and earth and none of it ascends till you invoke blessing on your prophet. (Prayers cannot reach the big boss, Allah, unless muslims include an invocation for mohammed!?)

V.
#927 Allah’s messenger said: ‘Let there be smeared with dust the nose of the person in whose presence I am mentioned, and he does not invoke blessing on me.’
(No getting around it, if mohammed doesn’t remain the center of the muslim unverse, there will be hell to pay!)

VI.
#923 Allah’s messenger said: ‘The one nearest to me on the Day of Resurrection will be one who invokes the greatest number of blessings on me.’
(See how he inserts himself as having importance on the Day of Resurrection? He a rotted corpse, but this ties knots in the head of all muslims!)

VII.
#922 Allah’s messenger said: ‘He who invokes one blessing on me, Allah will shower ten blessings upon him and obliterate ten sins and elevate him by ten ranks.’
(muslims, knowing how contentious and capricious Allah is, are constantly struggling to make it to home plate in this pointless game of islam.)

VIII.
#820 Verily my prayer, sacrifices, life and my death are for Allah, the lord of the worlds (SATAN - see next quote 2 Cor 4:3,4). There is no associate of his: and this is what I have been directed to and I am the first amongst the muslims.
(2 Corinthians 4:3,4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are perishing, in whom the god of this world (SATAN) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.)

IX.
#811 …don’t you fear Allah? don’t you see how you observe the prayer? You are under the impression that what you do is hidden from me. by Allah, I see me as I see in front of me.
(Now he’s claiming the power of being all seeing? He couldn’t perform a single miracle, but Allah gives him a rearview mirror? How can one reasonably follow such a guy?)

X. (I am including this one - it isn’t shirk, but it is showing us that once again, mohammed couldn’t follow his own ‘religion’.
#66 …The prophet said: A wise person is one who keeps a watch over his bodily desires and passons …a foolish person is one who subordinates himself to his cravings and desires.
(Since mohammed never put this wisdom into practice, he, himself, is telling his followers that he is foolisth! So, why are allah’s slaves following this guy?)

Muslims pretend that islam is ‘true’, in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is the cult of ‘mohammed worship’.

Many of your former siblings have found the courage to admit that mohammed is a heretic. Nothing he told you about allah, or jannah, has a single shred of truth in it. Your eternal souls hang in the balance of what you decide to do about the lies of islam. Choose wisely!

I am going to respond to this first post since it seems that the muslims are forgetting what it says about what mohammed did! He did indeed do shirk. I don’t care how many of them want to deny it. Now, I don’t think that this would be taken lightly by them. I feel sorry for them that they have to learn this stuff from people that they consider apes, pigs or feces. It is in their own texts.

But, that is what happens when a person elevates themself above others. Falling down off that high ‘post’ means that it could hurt when hitting bottom.

And whatever they post to save face is fine. The facts are that according to islam’s own texts - mohammed committed shirk.

 

[planten]

am assuming nothing. Muhammad inserted his name alongside God, putting himself on the same level. He did the same when he said Allah and Muhammad decree, Allah and Muhammad say, Allah and Muhammad do this and that…

Anyhow you are assuming things and you are wrong. I leave you to that.

John starts with the Word IS God, and then proceeds to same the Word became flesh so please do not repeat Muhammad’s mistake…repeating Muhammad’s mistake will not change what we believe in.

**John or no John. John cannot make Jesus into God. John cannot make teh word into flesh. Who is John? Is he the God Almighty? Jesus was flesh and bones. What is your reason that word should become flesh and bones? How come you are asking the world to believe all your unbelievable ideas while you keep accusing others of false dogmas.

I am sure that there is nothing real in the church teachings. it is all assumed ideas and beliefs without basis and unreal labels. Nothing is real. Niether the son, nor the father, nor the holy ghost.

John had no right to say what he said. He was nobody… And the world has never seen any word becoming flesh, never. So you explain why you believe that odd thing.?**

 

[inJESUS]

if you deny what is written in your own book, what are you defending then?

 

[R_not]

inJESUS;4897888:

Anyhow you are assuming things and you are wrong. I leave you to that.

**John or no John. John cannot make Jesus into God. John cannot make teh word into flesh. Who is John? Is he the God Almighty? Jesus was flesh and bones. What is your reason that word should become flesh and bones? How come you are asking the world to believe all your unbelievable ideas while you keep accusing others of false dogmas.

I am sure that there is nothing real in the church teachings. it is all assumed ideas and beliefs without basis and unreal labels. Nothing is real. Niether the son, nor the father, nor the holy ghost.

John had no right to say what he said. He was nobody… And the world has never seen any word becoming flesh, never. So you explain why you believe that odd thing.?**

Why do you keep bringing up other people other than mohammed?

mohammed is not going to be compared to John, or Paul, or anyone the muslims are using as excuses as to mohammed committing shirk on Judgement Day! In fact, they died centuries before mohammed died and didn’t even have a clue that such a guy would exist. They were warned of false prophets, but didn’t know who it would be or when they would exist.

And we are not the ones with the problems in our faith. The problem is in islam and how mohammed redefined sin which includes shirk.

These two hadiths are some examples of mohammed raising himself right there with your allah.

I.
#936, allah’s messenger said: ‘He who invokes blessings upon Muhammed saying: “O Allah, cause him to occupy the nearest seat to thee on the Day of Resurrection, my intercession will be assured for him.”’
(Here Muhammed is making himself patron and lord, partnering with Allah (who actually needs a bit of help). Since only ‘Divine God’ - Christ - has been given 'all judgment, and no intercession will be allowed, is this madman of Mecca committing the unforgiveable sin of shirk" )

II.
tirmidhi #929, '…I said: “May I devote the whole of my supplication to you? (my prayer)?” Thereupon he (Muhammed) said: ‘In that case it will take care of you and your sins would be expiated.’
(So, supplicating to Muhammed takes care of sin? This is heretical shirk!)

those is YOUR texts - not ours, it is YOUR prophet, nt ours. Why do you keep bringing our stuff up when we really are not discussing our stuff here?

 

[sedonaman]

planten;4897990:

inJESUS;4897888:

Why do you keep bringing up other people other than mohammed?

mohammed is not going to be compared to John, or Paul, or anyone the muslims are using as excuses as to mohammed committing shirk on Judgement Day!

Why do you keep bringing our stuff up when we really are not discussing our stuff here?

 

[chrisse]

Mohammed or no Mohammed. Mohammed cannot make his schizophrenic apparitions into revelations from allah. Mohammed cannot make his carnal lusts into allah’s perfect human being to follow. Who is Mohammed? Is he the God Almighty? Jesus is YHWH. What is your reason that carnal lusts should becomeYHWH’s revelation? How come you are asking the world to believe all your unbelievable ideas while you keep accusing others of false dogmas.

I am sure that there is nothing real in the trilogy of Islam. it is all the rantings of a delusional slave trader and warrior without basis and unreal labels. Nothing is real. Niether qur’an, nor the sayings and traditions of Mohammed.

Mohammed had no right to say what he said. He was an illiterate pagan arab. And the world has never seen a more diabolical plot for the damnation of mankind than Mohammed’s scheming. So can anyone explain why Mohammed’s followers have to force with the sword his revelations onto mankind if they are the truth?

 

[sedonaman]

So can anyone explain why Mohammed’s followers have to force with the sword his revelations onto mankind if they are the truth?

I think the answer to your own question is contained in the question, and it begins with “if”.

 

[swariffin]

Maybe you still could be, Swariffin, but a better question is why would you want to be?

I was just concluding that Abraham, Job, Noah etc were not muslim. To be a muslim, we must mentioned “Muhammad” and it is irreplaceable by any other. So, Muhammad is for the muslim only, not for the Jews and us.

BTW, you were asking why would I want to be a muslim? Ho ho ho… I know you were joking, brother. But, if I put my answer in this forum, it would be an insult to them.

 

[dzheremi]

Yes indeed, Swariffin. Muhammad is not for Christians, Jews, or anyone else (ok, maybe Baha’is claim him too? I have heard that, but I don’t know if it is true). Only Muslims. That is why I never understand why some Muslims here and maybe elsewhere are upset when we deny Muhammad’s prophethood. They want him to be a prophet of Christianity, too? That can’t happen…

Or maybe we can “accept” him in the way that the Muslims claim to accept Jesus as a great prophet: by denying everything he ever said! But in that case, what is the point?

For Islam, it is obvious: if they can claim the past prophets and even the Christ as their own, they have an instant link to the Abrahamic religious heritage! It does not make sense to me, since Christianity’s link to Judaism is much more immediate and historically verifiable than Islam’s link to either Judaism or Christianity. No one that I know disputes that Christianity grew out of a heretical community of Jews who believed in the Messiah that the rest of the Jews rejected. In the case of Islam…well, it was ~600 years between it and other “newest” of the religions, and even more between it and Judaism! The similarities between Islam and the other faiths is not surprising, since Arabia was not a religion-free bubble at the time of Muhammad (the Quran’s mention of Jews and Christians proves this). So personally I think the Muslims are at a disadvantage here, and that is why they MUST claim that Abraham, Job, Noah, and the others were Muslims and not Jews. Without that (false) claim, their religion cannot claim to be related through history to the other two religions.

 

[planten]

**Coming back to the topic, Muhammad was the One Great Champion who eradicated Shirk from the land. He fought the pagans, idol worshippers and he even criticised the christians for their pagan beliefs of three gods. i.e Three in One and one in three. That means Three gods in One God and One God in three. He criticised the theory of any son of God or any begotten son of God.

There was no sign of Shirk in Arabia by the time muhammad passed way peacefully.**