Muhammad in the bible

[MacQ]

I have posted in a thread:

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
(John, Chapter 15, verses:26-27)

Interpretation of Comforter and Spirit of truth is “Periklitos” or “Paraklitus” in Greek gospels. Periklitos mean praised and Mohammed and Ahmad mean praised too in Arabic.

1. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Taurát (Law) (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “This is evident sorcery!” (Quran, As-Saff, verse:6)

Except prophet Mohammed nobody have got that attributes. Jesus had said Periklitos will come and he is Mohammed.

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and ofrighteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bearthem now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(John, Chapter 16, verses:7-13)

After Jesus the prophet Mohammed came and confirmed Jesus. Jesus said ı will go because if I do not go Comforter(Periklitos) won’t come. “for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” describe the way revelation came to Mohammed. Because Bible were revealed to Jesus in once and Torah were revealed to Moses in once on plates. But Gabriel brought revelation to Mohammed for a period of time about 23 years and Gabriel told Mohammed and prophet Mohammed spoke to Sahabas what He heard from Gabriel and sahabas wrote Quran. Jesus described how Mohammed would take revelation.

15 ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(John, Chapter 14, verses:15-16)

Comforte(Periklitos(Mohammed)) will come and he may abide forever: There won’t be any other prophet after him.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of thisworld cometh, and hath nothing in me.
(John, Chapter 14. Verse:30)

Seyyidu’l-evvelîne ve’l-âhirîn( the prince of earliers and recents) is Mohammed.
107. We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. (Quran, Al-Anbiyaa, verse:107)

2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy, Chapter 33, verse: 2)

Mount Paran is Mecca because in Genesis chapter 21 it is said that Abraham took and left Hagar and Ishmael on mount Paran. Mecca is homeland of Ishmael and Mohammed descend from Ishmael.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speakunto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
(Deuteronomy, Chapter 18, verses: 18-19)

A prophet will raise from brethren of İsraels. İsraels are son of İsrael(Jacob). Jacob is son of Isaac. Isaac is stepbrother of Ishmael. Then the brethrenof Israels are son of Ishmael. Mohammed is generated from Ishmael. That prophet will raise is Mohammed.

We think of the Comforter He said he would send as the Holy Spirit.

In any case, all this mercy and comfort and sweetness of lip…does not seem to be the most visible face of Islam today. Sorry to have to say that.

So for my part, what I’d rather hear from you isn’t a bunch of bible references about Mohammed, but rather what he lived and taught that you profess today, and how you understand and live these teachings.

Important to add: I say the same to anyone who professes a different faith tradition, including my friend who has declared herself a Buddhist now, and including other Christians. I don’t want their cut and paste scripture. I want them to tell me how they live their faith.

 

[hasantas]

I think it’s really fantastic when Muslims post this; because it shows that Islam doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Only the ignorant and the gullible would be fooled by what you have posted. But let’s get started:

“26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.”
(John, Chapter 15, verses:26-27)

Notice that Jesus says in the very passage you quoted that Jesus will send the helper. Are you saying that Jesus sent Muhammad? Isn’t that blasphemy?

Again, Jesus says that Jesus will send the Spirit of Truth in the passage you quoted. Do you believe this?

You forgot verse 17:" even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."

You believe Muhammad dwelt with the Disciples and were inside the Disciples?

I’m glad you admit that because I’m going to show you a passage proving that the Helper is the Holy Spirit, and then you can become a Christian knowing that no one would come after the Holy Spirit. From chapter 14 that you quoted:
14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

So there you have it; Jesus said the Helper is the Holy Spirit and therefore is not Muhammad. Let me know if you plan on being Baptized now. I’ll be cheering you on, I promise.

I’m curious at some point if you will recant this claim because Jesus was speaking of Satan.

Firstly the remarks from Torah and Bible are only one kind of evidences from about 20 kinds of evidences which prove Muhammad. Torah and Bible were corruptep partly but even so there could remain some evidences and we point that evidences. Muslims do not prove Muhammad only with that remarks but these remarks support issue.

Jesus did not said " ı will send" but Jesus said “God will send”. Bible writer wrote this as if Jesus said “ı will send”(maybe it should be changed later). This point is our claim that “Bible was corrupted partly”. (Like Messenger(Son!) of God said or did that)

Holy Spirit(ruh-ul kudüs) is Gabriel and Allah send Gabriel to Muhammad so that is so obvious.

You are right no one will come after Muhammad(After Holy Spirit(Jibril) brought revelation to Muhammad)

And also Muhammad was among us and He is allways among us with His Disciples.

 

[Bonnie]

And that Jesus picked up clay and made a living bird from it.

That’s in the Quran? I thought it was some other post-biblical legend.

 

[hasantas]

I’m curious at some point if you will recant this claim because Jesus was speaking of Satan.

John 12:
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.

John 14:
30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me

John 16:
11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

So is the Prince of this world Satan?

 

[hasantas]

We think of the Comforter He said he would send as the Holy Spirit.

In any case, all this mercy and comfort and sweetness of lip…does not seem to be the most visible face of Islam today. Sorry to have to say that.

So for my part, what I’d rather hear from you isn’t a bunch of bible references about Mohammed, but rather what he lived and taught that you profess today, and how you understand and live these teachings.

Important to add: I say the same to anyone who professes a different faith tradition, including my friend who has declared herself a Buddhist now, and including other Christians. I don’t want their cut and paste scripture. I want them to tell me how they live their faith.

Yes God sent Holy Spirit(ruh-ul kudüs) but to whom? Ofcourse to Muhammad otherwise it is not convenient that Holy Spirit would implement that work by Himself.

“most visible face of Islam today. Sorry to have to say that.” Do you mean ISIS? ISIS harm Islam and Muslims particularly not others. Islam cannot be charged with persecutions of that damn ISIS. Islam and Muslims must not be blamed because of those deviants. The implementations of Muslims for centuries refute those furious.

 

[dronald]

Firstly the remarks from Torah and Bible are only one kind of evidences from about 20 kinds of evidences which prove Muhammad. Torah and Bible were corruptep partly but even so there could remain some evidences and we point that evidences. Muslims do not prove Muhammad only with that remarks but these remarks support issue.

Jesus did not said " ı will send" but Jesus said “God will send”. Bible writer wrote this as if Jesus said “ı will send”(maybe it should be changed later). This point is our claim that “Bible was corrupted partly”. (Like Messenger(Son!) of God said or did that)

Please provide historical evidence.

For example; here is a link to the wiki article on the P52 which is dated within 35 years of the original copy of the Gospel of John that you keep quoting. And it just so happens to match the one we have now.

Also, we have documents that spread East to West in different languages that match the Bible we have now; including John which you keep quoting.

Also, we have Early Church Fathers who quote the Bible we have now, including John that you keep quoting. Unchanged; the same now as it was then.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; you’re being lied to. We have historical proof that the Gospel has gone unchanged.

Holy Spirit(ruh-ul kudüs) is Gabriel and Allah send Gabriel to Muhammad so that is so obvious.

You are right no one will come after Muhammad(After Holy Spirit(Jibril) brought revelation to Muhammad)

And also Muhammad was among us and He is allways among us with His Disciples.

And Muhammad is in his disciples? Including the ones that Jesus spoke to?

That’s what the Gospel of John says that you’re quoting.

So is the Prince of this world Satan?

Yeah.

That’s in the Quran? I thought it was some other post-biblical legend.

It is. Muslims don’t realize that Muhammad plagiarized from it; along with other works.

Firstly the remarks from Torah and Bible are only one kind of evidences from about 20 kinds of evidences which prove Muhammad. Torah and Bible were corruptep partly but even so there could remain some evidences and we point that evidences. Muslims do not prove Muhammad only with that remarks but these remarks support issue.

Even Satan quoted the Bible to prove his point. I don’t see how Muslims twisting our Scriptures the way Satan did is any different to be honest.

 

[hasantas]

I have posted in a thread:

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There are more:

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forthjudgment to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1

Allah sent Gabriel to Muhmmad. Allah supported Muhammad in every condition. Allah elected Muhammad through people. Allah consent with Muhammad. “ God brought judgemen to the Gentiles with Muhammad”

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. Isaiah 42:2-3

Muhammad was clement and was not unkind. Muhammad has the most high good morality.( 4. And surely thou hast sublime morals. Al-Qalam:4)

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; Isaiah 42:4,6

Muhammad never got fear and never gave up His work(prophethood). Because He was in defense of Allah. (…And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief)….) After that verse Muhammad said to Sahabas to not protect Him because Allah would defend the Mesenger of Allah. No one could kill Muhammad although many deceptions and wars. Muhammad is light of many nations.

8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

Muhammad owerthrow all graven images and Shirks.

11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
Muhammad descend from Kedar son of Ishmael.

12 ¶And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaacshall thy seed be called.
13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.
15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where heis.
18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. Genesis 21: 12-21

And also Genesis 17

Ishmael is son of Hagar. Muhammad descend from Ishmael. Muhammad(his religion) became a great nation. That water is the well of Zamzam.

1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
….
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD fromJerusalem.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORDof hosts hath spoken it. Micah 4: 1,2,4

That mountain is Mount Arafat also mount of Mercy. And people(Muslims) flow unto it during Hajj. It is forbidden to hunt or use cutter while unto it.

 

[hasantas]

Please provide historical evidence.

 

[Seraphim73]

Παράκλητος does not translate to praised. It translates to helper or comforter or aid. Also your reading of John 15:26-27 is not correct. The Greek clearly says I (Eγώ) will send from the Father (Πατρὸς). Also earlier in the book, John 16:13, the comforter is clearly defined as the Spirit (Πνεύματος) of Truth.

 

[dronald]

There are more:

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forthjudgment to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1

Allah sent Gabriel to Muhmmad. Allah supported Muhammad in every condition. Allah elected Muhammad through people. Allah consent with Muhammad. “ God brought judgemen to the Gentiles with Muhammad”

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. Isaiah 42:2-3

Muhammad was clement and was not unkind. Muhammad has the most high good morality.( 4. And surely thou hast sublime morals. Al-Qalam:4)

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; Isaiah 42:4,6

Muhammad never got fear and never gave up His work(prophethood). Because He was in defense of Allah. (…And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief)….) After that verse Muhammad said to Sahabas to not protect Him because Allah would defend the Mesenger of Allah. No one could kill Muhammad although many deceptions and wars. Muhammad is light of many nations.

8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

Muhammad owerthrow all graven images and Shirks.

Sorry, but once again you’ve been beaten by 2000 years. This passage is quoted in the Bible and attributed to Jesus in the Gospel:

Matthew 12:15 Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all

16 and ordered them not to make him known.

17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:

18 "Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

19 He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets;

20 a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory;

21 and in his name the Gentiles will hope. "

Please cite earliest evidence of Muhammad or any Muslim quoting the verses you’ve quoted.

11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
Muhammad descend from Kedar son of Ishmael.

12 ¶And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaacshall thy seed be called.
13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.
15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where heis.
18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. Genesis 21: 12-21

And also Genesis 17

Ishmael is son of Hagar. Muhammad descend from Ishmael. Muhammad(his religion) became a great nation. That water is the well of Zamzam.

1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
….
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD fromJerusalem.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORDof hosts hath spoken it. Micah 4: 1,2,4

That mountain is Mount Arafat also mount of Mercy. And people(Muslims) flow unto it during Hajj. It is forbidden to hunt or use cutter while unto it.

You sure know a lot of passages that you claim to be about Muhammad for someone who doesn’t read the Bible or know any Christian/Jewish Theology.

 

[dronald]

More than hundreds different Gospels before Nicaea council.

Please name them and how they support the Islamic position.

But that does not contain exact same text with what we have now. Gospels have been written in different ways many times. that prove this nothing else.

Actually there’s a Science to it called textual criticism that proves the Bible has gone unaltered.

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Those who knew Peter, John, and other Disciples quote their works; proving it’s been unchanged.

That lie! grounds unto many facts.

It is the truth; we have history on our side. Muslims have conspiracy theories.

Disciplines of Muhammad go on through disciples

Name the Disciples.

Could any other confirm that?

I’m sure someone will; then I’ll be interested to know if you recant your previous claim that the passage is about Muhammad.

Muhammad got that from Allah by Gabriel or directly(with special revelation).

There is a document that pre-dates it with the same story.

Where is that book Satan quoted from Bible? I wonder that!

Matthew 4
1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

2 And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

3 And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread. "

4 But he answered, "It is written, “'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. '”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple

6 and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you, ’ and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone. '"

7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test. '”

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

9 And he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me. "

10 Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve. '”

Notice how Satan lies and uses two OT passages incorrectly to prove Jesus wrong? Likewise I believe Muslims do the same thing.

 

[MartinJordan]

Sorry, but once again you’ve been beaten by 2000 years. This passage is quoted in the Bible and attributed to Jesus in the Gospel:

Matthew 12:15 Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all

16 and ordered them not to make him known.

17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:

18 "Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

19 He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets;

20 a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory;

21 and in his name the Gentiles will hope. "

Please cite earliest evidence of Muhammad or any Muslim quoting the verses you’ve quoted.

You sure know a lot of passages that you claim to be about Muhammad for someone who doesn’t read the Bible or know any Christian/Jewish Theology.

Absolutely spot on.

Dronald, you’re doing a great job not getting ruffled. Keep the good work and Spirit.

Christians continue to be persecuted with things like making conspiracy theories that claim our **God fearing scripture **has been tampered with. And to top it off, actually this insults our Faith (and our intelligence and reason) which remains unbroken.

MJ

 

[hasantas]

Sorry, but once again you’ve been beaten by 2000 years. This passage is quoted in the Bible and attributed to Jesus in the Gospel:

…

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Verses of Torah or Bible contain revelation. Scriptures have knowledge and wisdom of God that cannot be limitted to only one case. Because wisdom of God is so extensive which should point many different cases and times. So that verses may point Jesus but also may point Muhammad too.

 

[Kaninchen]

I do have to confess to a certain level of Schadenfreude* when threads like this turn up.

• a sneaky enjoyment in the misfortunes of others

 

[MacQ]

Yes God sent Holy Spirit(ruh-ul kudüs) but to whom? Ofcourse to Muhammad otherwise it is not convenient that Holy Spirit would implement that work by Himself.

“most visible face of Islam today. Sorry to have to say that.” Do you mean ISIS? ISIS harm Islam and Muslims particularly not others. Islam cannot be charged with persecutions of that damn ISIS. Islam and Muslims must not be blamed because of those deviants. The implementations of Muslims for centuries refute those furious.

Not just ISIS, but others like it.
Not harmed others? Watched any news in the last couple of decades?

I am perfectly wiling to believe that they (and some of the other sharia law countries where Islam is practiced (like Iran) are perhaps not the best face of Islam. But they are the most visible.

Which is why I asked you to tell me what the guiding principles are in your life that are informed by Islam. …

For example: as a Christian Catholic, I can say that the principles of my religion that tell me how I should live are about loving God and loving others as myself. Doing unto others as I would have them do to me. Respecting all life from conception to natural death.
You get the idea.
It is a sincere and interested question, not a challenge.
Now you…

 

[MacQ]

I do have to confess to a certain level of Schadenfreude* when threads like this turn up.

• a sneaky enjoyment in the misfortunes of others

:tsktsk:

Altho I’m not sure why…he has a lot to say about the Hebrew scriptures.

 

[Kaninchen]

:tsktsk:

Altho I’m not sure why…he has a lot to say about the Hebrew scriptures.

I’m wondering if there’s a Muslim equivalent to Josh McDowell - you know, books with hundreds of ‘prophesies’ of Jesus in the Tanakh (Old Testament) that tend to go something like:

Isaiah 99:53 ‘. . . . a child shall stub his toe’.

Matthew 77:62: ‘. . . . and Jesus stubbed his toe’.

only about prophesies/links to Mohammed.

I think that, after a couple of decades of dealing with these sorts of ‘prophesies’, I’m allowed a little Schadenfreude.

 

[MacQ]

I’m wondering if there’s a Muslim equivalent to Josh McDowell - you know, books with hundreds of ‘prophesies’ of Jesus in the Tanakh (Old Testament) that tend to go something like:

Isaiah 99:53 ‘. . . . a child shall stub his toe’.

Matthew 77:62: ‘. . . . and Jesus stubbed his toe’.

only about prophesies/links to Mohammed.

I think that, after a couple of decades of dealing with these sorts of ‘prophesies’, I’m allowed a little Schadenfreude.

Oh, I don’t blame you one bit for schadefreude. You’ve likely earned it.
Enjoy it!

 

[dronald]

Verses of Torah or Bible contain revelation. Scriptures have knowledge and wisdom of God that cannot be limitted to only one case. Because wisdom of God is so extensive which should point many different cases and times. So that verses may point Jesus but also may point Muhammad too.

Okay. Who was the first Muslim to quote this passage then? Or the other ones you’ve posted. The Disciples of Jesus (who believed in His death, resurrection, ascension) quoted it immediately. Who was the first Muslim after Muhammad, or Muhammad himself, or Allah?

Also, you skipped a ton of rebuttals. Do you take back much of what you have said? Because you’ve avoided some questions.

 

[MartinJordan]

Okay. Who was the first Muslim to quote this passage then?

Likely the one who picked one verse (from a Bible of which version will be dubious and remain unknown) without completing the whole passage.



MJ