Muhammad rejected Christianity/Jesus

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explain to me this commandment;
thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images
There are image of jesus christ everywhere on crosses etc, isn’t this going against divine decree?
 
expounder said:
ty for that.
I have quite a few other books which can said to be like Catechisms but it also includes the views of the other sects like Quakers, anglicans, methodists etc and i have other books which compare different religions
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I wish you the best on your journey. Catholicism is probably the hardest of the Christian
Churches to practice and believe in, objectively speaking. But I suggest you look at
the Marian Apparitions such as Lourdes and especially Fatima and other quotes of Our Lady.
She’s very believable.
 
expounder said:
explain to me this commandment;
thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images
There are image of jesus christ everywhere on crosses etc, isn’t this going against divine decree?
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In the Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) God told Israel to make images of angles hovering over the Mercy Seat of the Ark, which was placed in the Holy of Holies. If God did not want images to be made, why did He do that? 🙂 :gopray:
 
bsroufek said:
I wish you the best on your journey. Catholicism is probably the hardest of the Christian
Churches to practice and believe in, objectively speaking. But I suggest you look at
the Marian Apparitions such as Lourdes and especially Fatima and other quotes of Our Lady.
She’s very believable.
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From the looks of things they probably do have some of the more stricter views than the more liberal sects like the Quakers (and anglicans to a lesser extent).
Like the issue of Divorce in Catholicism , this is not allowed under any circumstances due to a Godly vow which cannot be broken. In the worst case scenario the couple are allowed to live separately but not remarry
Anglicans think that sometimes it would be kinder to allow the divorce because Jesus taught to do the most loving action and since God is all-loving he will forgive.
Then in Islam,Divorce is seen as the most detestable act by God especially since marriage revolves around commitment. However a person can divorce but is encouraged to remarry as soon as possible as God is all- forgiving.
You see what keeps me siding with Islam, tribulations are understood and there are solutions.
Anglicans also appear to relate to life issues.
But i can still see where Catholics are coming from with their teachings.
 
expounder said:
explain to me this commandment;
thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images
There are image of jesus christ everywhere on crosses etc, isn’t this going against divine decree?
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Here’s what you should understand. Jesus invalidated SOME of the OT laws, such as dietary
laws and others, such as graven images. Jesus, The Apostles and the Popes have the final
say on what (NEW TESTAMENT respecting) laws are to be followed by us.

Don’t read the OT laws and think that they apply to us today as they did then. Even the Jews
don’t do animal sacrifices anymore.
 
tabycat said:
In the Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) God told Israel to make images of angles hovering over the Mercy Seat of the Ark, which was placed in the Holy of Holies. If God did not want images to be made, why did He do that? 🙂 :gopray:
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Exactly why is God going against his own teachings. Time to smell the coffee, something is wrong here.
 
bsroufek said:
Here’s what you should understand. Jesus invalidated SOME of the OT laws, such as dietary
laws and others, such as graven images. Jesus, The Apostles and the Popes have the final
say on what (NEW TESTAMENT respecting) laws are to be followed by us.

Don’t read the OT laws and think that they apply to us today as they did then. Even the Jews
don’t do animal sacrifices anymore.
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Jesus was God and so he knew what God would have wanted.
The apostals and the pope can’t claim to share such a bond. :confused:
So how can they decide what goes and what doesn’t, especially if it is in direct conflict with Jesus’s/God’s teachings?
 
expounder said:
Exactly why is God going against his own teachings. Time to smell the coffee, something is wrong here.
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God made a NEW covenant with his people through Jesus, not like the Old Covenant.

Much of Muhammad’s teachings seem to borrow from the OT, but even God says those
laws weren’t good for them (the Jews).
 
expounder said:
Jesus was God and so he knew what God would have wanted.
The apostals and the pope can’t claim to share such a bond. :confused:
So how can they decide what goes and what doesn’t, especially if it is in direct conflict with Jesus’s/God’s teachings?
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Jesus, after his Resurrection and appearance to the Apostles, breathed on them and said, “Receive The Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them. Whose sins you retain are retained.” Also, “He (the Spirit) will lead you into all truth.”

So, Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit Who guides most especially the Pope, but also the Bishops and the entire Church. So we DO have a bond like Jesus had on Earth.
 
expounder said:
Jesus was God and so he knew what God would have wanted.
The apostals and the pope can’t claim to share such a bond. :confused:
So how can they decide what goes and what doesn’t, especially if it is in direct conflict with Jesus’s/God’s teachings?
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Since God is not inconsistent and teaches Truth, there is a problem with your thinking.
You should SEPARATE the old testament from the new testament teachings as being
mostly distinct. Some things, a few, actually carry over, like the Ten Commandments.
But, most Jewish law didn’t carry over into the New Covenant.
 
bsroufek said:
Jesus, after his Resurrection and appearance to the Apostles, breathed on them and said, “Receive The Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them. Whose sins you retain are retained.” Also, “He (the Spirit) will lead you into all truth.”

So, Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit Who guides most especially the Pope, but also the Bishops and the entire Church. So we DO have a bond like Jesus had on Earth.
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My question now is:
Does the bible actually talk about what the trinity is?
We have definitions of it being 3 separate people who all share Godhood, however is this mentioned in the bible?
 
“[t]he manifestation of divine presence and power perceptible especially in prophetic inspiration”

That is what the holy spirit is said to be - God’s divine power
Is this simply not present in all of us in the form of faith? Was Jesus not saying to his apostles that i leave behind me faith?
 
expounder said:
My question now is:
Does the bible actually talk about what the trinity is?
We have definitions of it being 3 separate people who all share Godhood, however is this mentioned in the bible?
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Jesus said to go forth and Baptize “in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” “The Father and I are one.” “The Father is greater than I”. I will send you the Holy Spirit (the Paraclete) and He will lead you into all truth." So, through these and later revelation through
the Holy Spirit, we have come to understand God as One God in Three Persons. The Holy Trinity. The Church Fathers and the early Church Councils (found online) developed more Theology, by the aid of the Holy Spirit, into the first several centuries (and beyond).
 
expounder said:
Exactly why is God going against his own teachings. Time to smell the coffee, something is wrong here.
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My grandmother had a saying ‘practice what you preach’. When God told Israel to put images of angles hovering over the Mercy Seat of the Ark AND it is written down in the Five Books of Moses (both Jews and Christians believe is the Word of God), that is good enough for me! 🙂 :gopray: That is why we, as Christians, are free to put the Image of the Lord Jesus on the Cross and to show Him as the Good Shepard. :):
 
expounder said:
explain to me this commandment;
thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images
There are image of jesus christ everywhere on crosses etc, isn’t this going against divine decree?
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No.

Why do you think this commandment exists? What is the point? How does it apply today?

Are photos, paintings, etc. of Jesus “graven”? Explain.

Are images in a textbook to children’s storybook graven? Explain.

Are family photos graven? Explain.
 
expounder said:
“[t]he manifestation of divine presence and power perceptible especially in prophetic inspiration”

That is what the holy spirit is said to be - God’s divine power
Is this simply not present in all of us in the form of faith? Was Jesus not saying to his apostles that i leave behind me faith?
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Jesus said “Those who believe and are baptized will be saved.” There is more to salvation than just this, as the Book of James and St. Paul say we must work out our salvation through
faith and works. In the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation, we receive the Holy Spirit.
 
tabycat said:
My grandmother had a saying ‘practice what you preach’. When God told Israel to put images of angles hovering over the Ark AND it is written down in the Five Books of Moses (both Jews and Christians believe is the Word of God), that is good enough for me! 🙂 :gopray:
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I guess the essence of that commandment is to prevent idolatry, so people don’t worship objects rather than God directly.
Think about it when you think about God what do you imagine?
Answer: Jesus on the cross
Likewise other objects people might use as a medium to pray to God, could potentially be worshipped.
 
“so people don’t worship objects rather than God”

Uh, we don’t worship the object.
 
Ok ty you both very much, nice to see there are actually some helpful people on this forum. So far i have 4 people on my ‘helpful’ list ( not a real list;)) However others can get defensive sometimes.
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“when you think about God what do you imagine?”

What do you think about? Is that a “graven” image?
 
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