Muhammad & Satan

[Edris]

This answers half the question in my opinion, we learned a moral lesson, but still the science part.

Yawning:

“Yawn, a deep, usually involuntary, intake of air that breaks the shallow breathing that often accompanies drowsiness or boredom. During a yawn there is a sudden increase in the heart rate and watering of the eyes, possibly due to pressure on the tear glands as the air is sucked in”. (Encarta Encyclopedia)
1) **Preventable yawning ** is linked to health problems including heart disease, respiratory disease, etc., “yawning can exacerbate some joint and pain conditions, including temporomandibular joint and neuralgias”. (Melissa Kaplan’s Herp Care Collection, anapsid.org/sneeze.html)
2) When yawning you’re actually taking in air through your mouth, and exhaling it again through the mouth, so it’s as if you took a breath, but as I learned from some studies that yawning lasts for an average of 6seconds, and that cannot be considered as a single breath because you took a large amount of air. Everyone knows that breathing through the nose is much better than through the mouth, I think I’ll cut long story short here’s a quick link breathing.com/articles/nose-breathing.htm. What’s stated in this link I think most of you should be familiar with. 14 points why breathing through the nose is better.

Sneezing

“Sneezing is a natural biological response to an irritant in the nose. Sneezing may also be an allergic reaction, both to airborne substances and to ingested substances. (Melissa Kaplan’s Herp Care Collection)

When sneezing you’re actually forcing out any foreign bodies (pollen grains, viruses, dust particles, etc…) that has entered your nostrils. Therefore, sneezing simply clears your nostrils and airways (which is a good a thing).

     “Sneezing is good. It's a reflex that is intended to rid your nasal passages of an irritant or infection. If you suppress a sneeze the irritants remain trapped in your nose. So go ahead and blow, and consider the following.”    [ehow.com/how_8203_control-sneeze.html](http://www.ehow.com/how_8203_control-sneeze.html)

.

**I’d like to point out, that prophet Muhammad was the first man to recommend “Health Quarantine”. Read this hadith (Vol.7, Book 71, hadith 624, Sahih Bukhari)

The Prophet said, “If you hear of an outbreak of Plague in a land, do not enter it; But if the plague breaks out in a place while you are in it, don’t leave that place.”**

  ** (Qur’an 53:2-5)
  
         “Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.   Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.  It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.   He has been taught (this Qur'ân) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].”**

Peace

 

[cute2904]

Edris:

Peace

Before going into explaining the ahadith, I want to comment about what cute2904 said and keeps saying as if she discovered the hot water, and trying to corner Sister Faith; see your religion is not confirmed by science “Prophet say it comes from satan and scientists say no although some of them have differs opinion about yawning but none of them say it from satan. It’s not all about disagreeing but also quite alot of difference content and meaning. Isnt that mean scientists rejecting the truth of God’s message?”.

The words: satan and god, are not in the scientific dictionary. Anyways, I’ll not comment any further on this point, but please think before you speak, don’t let your brain be like an extra weight. One more favor, please, don’t venture into the ahadith if you lack basic knowledge of the hadith classification.

…

Edris… you sounded like me here , we should go out and have a beer sometime:dancing: … oops… muslim do not drink alcohol… .
OK. let me try to comment what you have written here about me. First of all WHAT I posted here were taken from your own hadith. Look like some muslim do avoid and ignore some of the verses and take other verses which is suit to them. You must understood enough what I quoted here were from your own books and nothing else. do not venture into the hadith if i lack basic knowledge? funny… you sound embarrase for what your hadith say about yawning from satan, dont you? Thank you for caring about my brain. its a bit an extra weight. but dont you think the bigger brain we have the smarter we are?..<-- well my thought

 

[Booklover]

Edris:

Peace

. One more favor, please, don’t venture into the ahadith if you lack basic knowledge of the hadith classification.

Then do the same for us, stop taking things out of our Scriptures out of context or interpreting them any way you like!

 

[Booklover]

selvaraj:

Islamic scholar Dr. D.S. Margoliouth sums up the depiction of Muhammad in Ishaq’s Sira as follows:
“The character attributed to Muhammad in the biography of Ibn Ishaq is exceedingly unfavorable. In order to gain his ends Muhammad recoils from no expedient, and he approves of similar unscrupulousness on the part of his adherents, when exercised in his interest. He organizes assassinations and wholesale massacres. His career as the tyrant of Medina is that of a robber chief whose political economy consists of securing and dividing plunder. He is himself an unbridled libertine [morally or sexually unrestrained] and encourages the same passion in his followers. For whatever he does he is prepared to plead the express authorization of his deity. It is, however, impossible to find any Islamic religious doctrine which he is not prepared to abandon in order to secure a political end. At different points in his career he abandons the unity of God and his claim to the title of Prophet. This is a disagreeable picture for the founder of a religion, and it cannot be pleaded that it is a picture drawn by an enemy.”

Islamic Scriptures and Sources prove that Mohammed is unworthy to be called an ordinary good human let alone be messenger of God.

In Christ,
selvaraj

This is the real historic Mohammed, not the fairytale version invented by his followers!

 

[Edris]

**Edris… you sounded like me here , we should go out and have a beer sometime:dancing: … oops… muslim do not drink alcohol… . ** OK. let me try to comment what you have written here about me. First of all WHAT I posted here were taken from your own hadith. **Look like some muslim do avoid and ignore some of the verses and take other verses ** which is suit to them. You must understood enough what I quoted here were from your own books and nothing else. do not venture into the hadith if i lack basic knowledge? funny… you sound embarrase for what your hadith say about yawning from satan, dont you? Thank you for caring about my brain. its a bit an extra weight. but dont you think the bigger brain we have the smarter we are?..<-- well my thought

   This is one of the reasons i said "don't get near the hadith of you lack basic knowledge of the hadith classification.   It seems to me not just that you don't know anything about the Ahadith (the Prophet's sayings)  but you are also confusing between the Hadith and the Qur'an.  I don't know maybe you're confused because in Christianity you put everything in one book, you lump it,  around 66 books you put them in one book (the bible).   In islam, my friend we don't do this,  the Qur'an (the word of God) is One Single Book.  Furthermore,  In the Hadith there are no verses,  and not all the ahadiths are accepted,  unlike the Qur'an.     Also,  before you go with your thinking to some where else,  there is a whole division in the Sharia'a  know as "The Science of the Ahadith (the Prophet's sayings)",  and by the way, the Muslims where the first to invent this science  (To know how to quote, and know if the sources who transmit a word from a person are reliable, do they have good memory,  are they trusted,  etc.., it's a very long list) , which was then transmitted to the rest of the world.

Peace

 

[cute2904]

My quote about the yawning from satan was taken from Hadith Al Bukhari. Which part of it that you might say I dont understand Hadith, Sira, Quran? Yes we put everything in one but it doesnt mean we lump it. Bukhari using numbers thats why I call it verse. Do not teach me about hadith or other books here. We discuss the contents of the postings not how you classify your books. As long as I quote the verses I got from your books. Then please stay on the path.

 

[Edris]

Booklover:

This is the real historic Mohammed, not the fairytale version invented by his followers!

**Rev. D. S. Margoliouth ** (1858–1940), formerly professor of Arabic at Oxford University, says of the Prophet’s vision of the animal world: “His humanity even extended itself to the lower creation. He forbade the employment of living birds as targets for marksmen and remonstrated some of his followers had set fire to an anthill he compelled them to extinguish it”. (David Smith Margoliouth, Muhammad and the Rise of Islam (London: n.p., 1905) Reprinted by Voice of India (New Delhi, 1985) p. 458.)
“And We have sent you (O Muhammad) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).” (Qur’an 21:107)

 

[Booklover]

**Rev. D. S. Margoliouth **(1858–1940), formerly professor of Arabic at Oxford University, says of the Prophet’s vision of the animal world: “His humanity even extended itself to the lower creation. He forbade the employment of living birds as targets for marksmen and remonstrated some of his followers had set fire to an anthill he compelled them to extinguish it”. (David Smith Margoliouth, Muhammad and the Rise of Islam (London: n.p., 1905) Reprinted by Voice of India (New Delhi, 1985) p. 458.)

“And We have sent you (O Muhammad) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).” (Qur’an 21:107)

Really! I’m not impressed! More myths!

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

peace selvaraj

i skimmed through your long list. To summarize

Muslims ARE ALLOWED TO FIGHT…we dont turn the other cheek, fighting oppression is something that is mandatory for us.

Yes, when someone dies fighting for the sake of Allah, whether its protecting their home/family or protecting others, they are inshAllah granted paradise. **Whats wrong with that? **

It is hard to comprehend if you find dying for the sake of God somethign unbelievable. But there are people who love Allah to the point of giving up everything they have, including their lives…truly they are worthy of the higest reward.

please explain what problem you have with the things you pasted above (if you want to just take out one and discuss it, thats fine too). Thank you

No wonder lunatic suicide bombers are so keen to strap bombs to themselves. Since Muslims believe they’re going straight to Paradise in any war, does that also give them the God given right to license to kill just for the heck of it? After all, Muslims think they’re God’s army and God’s government! Monstrous!

 

[r.gonzales]

selvaraj:

Islamic scholar Dr. D.S. Margoliouth sums up the depiction of Muhammad in Ishaq’s Sira as follows:
…

Islamic Scriptures and Sources prove that Mohammed is unworthy to be called an ordinary good human let alone be messenger of God.

truly a statement of ignorance… since when is ibn ishaaq’s biography of prophet muhammad considered to be islamic scripture?

from an earlier post of mine found here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=901156&highlight=ishaaq#post901156

as for ibn ishaaq’s seerah, ibn ishaaq’s biography of prophet muhammad contains many errors due to the fact that he included many weak and unverifiable narrations. ibn hishaam’s biography of prophet muhammad falls under the same judgement. so guillaume’s so-called “translation” is not to be relied upon. ibn ishaaq was declared a mudallis (swindler) by the scholars of hadeeth. this was a title given to narrators who would leave out the name of the narrator they heard from due to a weakness that narrator had in order to strengthen the chain of narrators he was narrating with. many of ibn ishaaq’s narrations are of this type, unless he explicitly says that he heard the narration from a certain individual.

islamic scripture is of two types, the Quran itself, and the body of statements collectively known as hadeeths. ibn ishaaq’s biography is not a hadeeth compilation, nor is it the Quran. it is a biography that he compiled through various sources, not all of which are authentic or verified, thus, not everything mentioned in it is true.

 

[r.gonzales]

Booklover:

No wonder lunatic suicide bombers are so keen to strap bombs to themselves. Since Muslims believe they’re going straight to Paradise in any war, does that also give them the God given right to license to kill just for the heck of it? After all, Muslims think they’re God’s army and God’s government! Monstrous!

aside from the nonsense of your comments, it’s a fact that suicide is explicitly forbidden in islam and that the one who commits suicide will be punished in Hell forever by the means with which he took his own life.

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

aside from the nonsense of your comments, it’s a fact that suicide is explicitly forbidden in islam and that the one who commits suicide will be punished in Hell forever by the means with which he took his own life.

Give me a break! Those suicide bombers don’t think they’re going to hell! They think they’re going to Paradise for killing the “infidels”. No one who thinks he’s going to hell would do such atrocious things!

Meedo, another Muslim, thinks that no one stays in hell forever. Is this more discrepancy in your beliefs??

 

[r.gonzales]

Booklover:

Those suicide bombers don’t think they’re going to hell! They think they’re going to Paradise for killing the “infidels”.

of course they don’t. who said about what these extremists think??? i stated that according to islam (the RELIGION), what they do is forbidden and a sin punishable by eternity in hell.

Booklover:

Meedo, another Muslim, thinks that no one stays in hell forever.

i’ll let meedo (if he still posts here) deny or confirm your claim here. however, if what you claim is true, then he’s wrong in that matter. and there is more than enough evidence to show that.

 

[DOXA]

There is a distinct contrast between fighting in Christianity and fighting in Islam and Judaism. Christianity, is supposed to be a pacifist religion since through Jesus Christ the old Lawof God “an eye for an eye” was replace with forgive and pray for your enemies and when they strike you turn the other cheek. The problem is who does that? Who turns the other cheek and who “takes an eye for an eye”? We even as Christians usualy when someone strikes us on the cheek or hits us in they eye we want to take their whole head off, not “one eye for one eye”. They take our eye and we want to destroy their whole family.

I suppose in the past the Satanic hypocritical crusades against Islam only infuriated and exacerbated the situation since they were supposed to be fighting “in the name of Christ” and since we supposedly being “peace makers” folowing the Prince of Peace – Jesus Christ, were trying to eradicate a faith which was almost essentially based on what the Law of the Old Testament Bible taught.

Do we have equal phobias and mistrust of Jews? Are Jews more honourable and safer to be with than Moslems, obviously not. This is only anti-semetism focused on Islam. I myself have many moslem friends, I also work with jews. I feel just as secure with one as the other.

Christianity is not the enemy of Islam and it should not be. The true enemy is Fear and Satan. Although it is believed that Islam originally spread with the sword, it was only so (i believe) because there was aggressive opposition. However, as we see today Islam has been accepted by millions without force in most countries and still spreads with peace.
I being a Christian know that fighting is wrong, I have never been in a fight in my whole life. If there is no peaceful solution to an agressor however what do we do? I suppose we have to consider what God wants before anything else. We Christians are also called to die for our God, by not fighting. Jesus once rebuked Peter saying “Whoever lives by the sword shall die by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52).

 

[DOXA]

I always wondered why many Eastern priests and devout Christians would cross their mouths when they yawned so that the evil spirits don’t go in. I guess this could be something to look into.

 

[Booklover]

DOXA:

Christianity is not the enemy of Islam and it should not be.

The true enemy is Fear and Satan. Although it is believed that Islam originally spread with the sword, it was only so (i believe) because there was aggressive opposition. However, as we see today Islam has been accepted by millions without force in most countries and still spreads with peace.

Can the same be said about Islam towards Christianity?

Where in the world did you get the ideas that Islam spreads with peace? From some Muslim apologetics site?? You can’t be serious! That has to be one of the most ridiculous remarks I’ve ever heard! Tell that to any of the non-Muslims on this site who live in areas where Muslims are the majority and see what their replies are! I haven’t heard one yet that had anything nice to say about Islam!

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

Can the same be said about Islam towards Christianity?

Where in the world did you get the ideas that Islam spreads with peace? From some Muslim apologetics site?? You can’t be serious! That has to be one of the most ridiculous remarks I’ve ever heard! Tell that to any of the non-Muslims on this site who live in areas where Muslims are the majority and see what their replies are! I haven’t heard one yet that had anything nice to say about Islam!

Booklover

Ask yourself where you learned most of your information about Islam. You say things like “that has to be one of themost ridiculous remarks i’ve ever heard!” with no proof to back up anything you say. You mimic those who you THINK know about Islam, and you take their opinions as your own. ANd God knows best.

In Egypt, the Churches are as big as the Mosques, and there are many of them to the point that they are empty because there arent enough Christians. Christians own stores and freely hang large crosses and the depiction of Jesus peace be upon him…and Muslims freely buy from them. There are stores that sell only pork for the Christian minority. There are Christian actors who are extremly famous and Christian businessmen who are extremly wealthy. THey are free to practice their religion as they please.

Is it a utopia? NO. what place on the earth is? But its not as crazy as you make it out to be. CHristians and muslims in many parts of the “muslim” states are friends, they eat together, they go out together, etc.

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

Really! I’m not impressed! More myths!

peace booklover

do you know what a myth is?

THe statment was a quote said by someone about the Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him). No need to take the reverands word for it… we have many hadith about the Prophet Mohamed’s (pbuh) mercy to animals which is BACKED UP by PROOF of men and women that relayed the message.

just because it doenst fit your perception of what you think Islam is about…doesnt mean its not true.

 

[Faith101]

cute2904:

My quote about the yawning from satan was taken from Hadith Al Bukhari. Which part of it that you might say I dont understand Hadith, Sira, Quran? Yes we put everything in one but it doesnt mean we lump it. Bukhari using numbers thats why I call it verse. Do not teach me about hadith or other books here. We discuss the contents of the postings not how you classify your books. As long as I quote the verses I got from your books. Then please stay on the path.

Would you bet your life that yawning is not from Satan?

Probably not…for the simple fact that you dont know if its true or not. If God inspired Mohamed (pbuh) to say it, then its true…and we believe it. If you dont know, than that uncertainty doesnt translate into anything relevant against what we believe.

you dont know and we do. Another person on another thread mentioned something about Christians who believed something similiar to the yawning hadith. I dont know if its true or not and neither does it make a difference…but it’ll be good to check first what is said about the yawning topic in Christianity.

 

[cute2904]

Faith101:

Would you bet your life that yawning is not from Satan?

Probably not…for the simple fact that you dont know if its true or not. If God inspired Mohamed (pbuh) to say it, then its true…and we believe it. If you dont know, than that uncertainty doesnt translate into anything relevant against what we believe.

you dont know and we do. Another person on another thread mentioned something about Christians who believed something similiar to the yawning hadith. I dont know if its true or not and neither does it make a difference…but it’ll be good to check first what is said about the yawning topic in Christianity.

No, I do not believe yawning from satan. And of course if you would like to check about yawning topic in CHristianity that would be cool, as I also never heard about it. Should that issue is true, the I have to question about this matter as well.