Muhammed said there is a jinn (devil) attached with every Muslim.

[Paul_89_33]

he took it from Judaism.

sure that’s he stole it from Judaism ? you mean talmud ???
thank’s

 

[elwill]

A kind of plagriasm but with some modification to it make it look original. A dark aspect of Islamic practice - some Muslims do indulge in these demons for black magic purpose. I suppose maybe some of our Muslim friends can elaborate on this.

actually yes , black magic exist in muslims society , but it’s not sin in islam actually it’s apostasy
if muslims practices black magic so he is apostated by it
so logically , no musims practices black magic even if he proclaimed that he is muslim .
that’s why i disagree with you calling it islamic practice
you can say that fast is islamic practices
you can say that pray 5 timeas a day is islamic practices
and you can say that zakat is islamic practices
but how black magic is islamic practices ???

 

[Sam_777]

Thank you and as far as that hadiths i am not familiar with it.

And do you expect your Muslim clerics to tell you about it , they want to hide all such facts and only show the good side of Islam.

 

[Sam_777]

Eucharisted;5461382:

he took it from Judaism.

sure that’s he stole it from Judaism ? you mean talmud ???
thank’s

Eucharisted we are still waiting for the reference.

Kaninchen do you have a concept in Judaism where it says that every person has a devil attached to him/her?

 

[tomshaikh]

And do you expect your Muslim clerics to tell you about it , they want to hide all such facts and only show the good side of Islam.

There is 40 hadiths which are authentic and many people are familiar with it. I am even familiar with 40 hadiths. But enemies of Islam are making some hadiths to harm muslims and islam. They can’t ammend in Quran coz Allah has promise for the safety of Quran but Allah didnot promise for the safety of hadiths. Which most non believers are talking advantage to hurt ISLAM. Thank you may be this hadiths is authentic or not. Allah Knows better. So i will consult all muslim to follow Quran because no man enough to change Quran words. Thank you I think this information help you Sam_777

 

[jakasaki]

There is 40 hadiths which are authentic and many people are familiar with it. I am even familiar with 40 hadiths. But enemies of Islam are making some hadiths to harm muslims and islam. They can’t ammend in Quran coz Allah has promise for the safety of Quran but Allah didnot promise for the safety of hadiths. Which most non believers are talking advantage to hurt ISLAM. Thank you may be this hadiths is authentic or not. Allah Knows better. So i will consult all muslim to follow Quran because no man enough to change Quran words. Thank you I think this information help you Sam_777

Here comes the “victim” post… she said… as she’s playing the smallest violin between her fingers.

There is 40 hadiths which are authentic and many people are familiar with it. I am even familiar with 40 hadiths

Where are these 40 “only” authentic hadiths - please provide a link…

But enemies of Islam are making some hadiths to harm muslims and islam.

Who are these "enemies of islam? Are they muslims? Are they the kafir? Are they the infidel? Be specific and clarify please.

They can’t ammend in Quran coz Allah has promise for the safety of Quran but Allah didnot promise for the safety of hadiths.

Your koran today is not the koran that was suppose to be given to mohamad by the angel. And allah can say quite a bit regarding the “safety” of the koran, but man can change anything he wants.

I can write a book and in my book state that I promise to quard this book and it’s contents from corruption and changes. That means nothing once it’s in the hands of man.

Which most non believers are talking advantage to hurt ISLAM.

Who are these “non-believers”? Is it us, you know the Christians…? It is the Jews? Is it the Athiests? The Hindu? - Who? Please clarify.

And to add, no one is “talking” advantage to hurt islam - islam is doing a wonderful job hurting its self.

Thank you may be this hadiths is authentic or not.

Well, hmmmmm…interesting statement because right above this one you claim you know all 40 authentic hadiths.

I am even familiar with 40 hadiths

and now you are saying you don’t know about this one.???!!!

Is it in one of your “40 authentic hadiths” or not. You should know, right!!??!!

~ **snip **~ the rest…

 

[tomshaikh]

Here comes the “victim” post… she said… as she’s playing the smallest violin between her fingers.

Where are these 40 “only” authentic hadiths - please provide a link…

Who are these "enemies of islam? Are they muslims? Are they the kafir? Are they the infidel? Be specific and clarify please.

Your koran today is not the koran that was suppose to be given to mohamad by the angel. And allah can say quite a bit regarding the “safety” of the koran, but man can change anything he wants.

I can write a book and in my book state that I promise to quard this book and it’s contents from corruption and changes. That means nothing once it’s in the hands of man.

Who are these “non-believers”? Is it us, you know the Christians…? It is the Jews? Is it the Athiests? The Hindu? - Who? Please clarify.

And to add, no one is “talking” advantage to hurt islam - islam is doing a wonderful job hurting its self.

Well, hmmmmm…interesting statement because right above this one you claim you know all 40 authentic hadiths. and now you are saying you don’t know about this one.!!!

Is it in one of your “40 authentic hadiths” or not. You should know, right!!??!!

~ **snip **~ the rest…

Jakasaki go smoke pot.

 

[jakasaki]

Jakasaki go smoke pot.

No thanks - weed destroys your brain cells and unlike you, I like to keep my mind free and clear - besides based on your posts, it seems like you’ve smoked your share

You know what they say, the mind is a terrible thing to waste - no wonder the muslims are still living in the 7th century mentality.

Your true colors are showing TomS - first with Bill Pick, now with me… hmmmmm who’s next on CAF ???

 

[jakasaki]

Originally Posted by jakasaki
Here comes the “victim” post… she said… as she’s playing the smallest violin between her fingers.

Where are these 40 “only” authentic hadiths - please provide a link…

Who are these "enemies of islam? Are they muslims? Are they the kafir? Are they the infidel? Be specific and clarify please.

Your koran today is not the koran that was suppose to be given to mohamad by the angel. And allah can say quite a bit regarding the “safety” of the koran, but man can change anything he wants.

I can write a book and in my book state that I promise to quard this book and it’s contents from corruption and changes. That means nothing once it’s in the hands of man.

Who are these “non-believers”? Is it us, you know the Christians…? It is the Jews? Is it the Athiests? The Hindu? - Who? Please clarify.

And to add, no one is “talking” advantage to hurt islam - islam is doing a wonderful job hurting its self.

Well, hmmmmm…interesting statement because right above this one you claim you know all 40 authentic hadiths. and now you are saying you don’t know about this one.!!!

Is it in one of your “40 authentic hadiths” or not. You should know, right!!??!!

~ snip ~ the rest…

Jakasaki go smoke pot

.

Did I give you a challenge TomS - you made statements and I’m looking for clarification. Provide your proof and clear you statements - it’s that simple!

 

[tomshaikh]

Did I give you a challenge TomS - you made statements and I’m looking for clarification. Provide your proof and clear you statements - it’s that simple!

As you said best way to go to www.google.com and search. I hope you find ur answer there.

 

[tomshaikh]

No thanks - weed destroys your brain cells and unlike you, I like to keep my mind free and clear - besides based on your posts, it seems like you’ve smoked your share

You know what they say, the mind is a terrible thing to waste - no wonder the muslims are still living in the 7th century mentality.

Your true colors are showing TomS - first with Bill Pick, now with me… hmmmmm who’s next on CAF ???

I was joking honey can’t you take a joke. It should be serious, funny, sarcastic, love and angery mood sometimes on CAF. Than we wil enjoy CAF

 

[tomshaikh]

AnyOne Alive Out There.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Jakasaki go smoke pot.

Reported.

 

[tomshaikh]

Reported.

Muhaaaa

 

[Eucharisted]

Hey all, sorry for the long wait. Here are angels and demons in Judaism (from JewFAQ):

According to one mystical view, every sin we commit creates an angel of destruction (a demon)

…

Adin Steinsaltz’s The Thirteen Petalled Rose (Hardcover) or (Paperback) is a complete mystical cosmology written by one of the greatest Jewish scholars alive today. It discusses the various levels of existence, the angels and demons that are created by our actions, the concept of reincarnation, and many other subjects of interest.

But that’s not where I got the information. I actually got the info on angels and demons from a book of Jewish legends that I found at my public library. I forget the name of it, but I remember it was red and really old. It was an interesting read, talking about a demon named Lilith, other sons of Adam, what Noah did on the Ark, Abraham doing something or other I forget what it was, Moses writting down the Torah, etc. It included a legend about angels and demons being given to each person at birth.

Also on JewFAQ you’ll find this:

In Genesis 2:7, the Bible states that G-d formed (vayyitzer) man. The spelling of this word is unusual: it uses two consecutive Yods instead of the one you would expect. The rabbis inferred that these Yods stand for the word “yetzer,” which means impulse, and the existence of two Yods here indicates that humanity was formed with two impulses: a good impulse (the yetzer tov) and an evil impulse (the yetzer ra).

The yetzer tov is the moral conscience, the inner voice that reminds you of G-d’s law when you consider doing something that is forbidden. According to some views, it does not enter a person until his 13th birthday, when he becomes responsible for following the commandments. See Bar Mitzvah.

The yetzer ra is more difficult to define, because there are many different ideas about it. It is not a desire to do evil in the way we normally think of it in Western society: a desire to cause senseless harm. Rather, it is usually conceived as the selfish nature, the desire to satisfy personal needs (food, shelter, sex, etc.) without regard for the moral consequences of fulfilling those desires.

The yetzer ra is not a bad thing. It was created by G-d, and all things created by G-d are good. The Talmud notes that without the yetzer ra (the desire to satisfy personal needs), man would not build a house, marry a wife, beget children or conduct business affairs. But the yetzer ra can lead to wrongdoing when it is not controlled by the yetzer tov. There is nothing inherently wrong with hunger, but it can lead you to steal food. There is nothing inherently wrong with sexual desire, but it can lead you to commit rape, adultery, incest or other sexual perversion.

The yetzer ra is generally seen as something internal to a person, not as an external force acting on a person. The idea that “the devil made me do it” is not in line with the majority of thought in Judaism. Although it has been said that Satan and the yetzer ra are one and the same, this is more often understood as meaning that Satan is merely a personification of our own selfish desires, rather than that our selfish desires are caused by some external force.

People have the ability to choose which impulse to follow: the yetzer tov or the yetzer ra. That is the heart of the Jewish understanding of free will. The Talmud notes that all people are descended from Adam, so no one can blame his own wickedness on his ancestry. On the contrary, we all have the ability to make our own choices, and we will all be held responsible for the choices we make.

 

[Sam_777]

Thanks Eucharisted, but that doesn’t match Muhammed’s concept that every person has a devil attached to him, and since there is no reference for it in the OT then I would consider it as a myth.

 

[Sam_777]

Where are these 40 “only” authentic hadiths - please provide a link…

Actually we have 9 authentic hadith narrators as mentioned here:

1. Sahih Bukhari.
2. Sahih Muslim.
3. Musnad Ahmed.
4. Malik’s Muwatta.
5. Sunan Abu-Dawud.
6. Sunan Altermizy.
7. Sunan Ibnmaja.
8. Sunan Alderamy.
9. Sunan Alnesaie.

Now some of those hadith collections include hadiths where Muhammed tells the hadith and reference Allah as saying something within it, they are called “Hadith Qudsi”, their total number depends on the Muslim scholar who researched and grouped them, some of those scholars grouped 40, some 100, and some even more than 800, so you wouldn’t find a precise number, however, here is an English link to a group of 40 of those hadiths.

However, they are not different than the other hadiths, except some Muslims want to find any excuse to hide Muhammed deeds which is shown in the other hadiths.

 

[ZAKI]

The reason they believe Mary is Immaculate is because they stole that belief from Christianity, just like they stole the belief that man has an angel and a devil attached to them from Judaism.

or MAYBE God gave Muhammed (pbuh) teachings that he had given to the other abrahamic religions

Well, that sure is interesting! I won’t be investigating Islam anytime soon.

awesome, i sure did

wasalam

 

[ZAKI]

Reported.

no offense tomshaik but jokes are not supposed to be offensive, i think u need to calm down a little and know where not to push the boundary’s. Some things that u have said to jagasaki are just plainly WRONG and i’d recommend you apologise and ask Allah for forgiveness.

wasalam

 

[ZAKI]

no wonder the muslims are still living in the 7th century mentality.

you should say that to my father who is a doctor, my brother who is studying medicine/law and myself…one of the brightest students at my school

and btw, personally-i’d love to go back to the 7th century-see how they acted, learn from Muhammed (pbuh) himself, live a harder yet more pure life…im pretty sure elwill would like the same as well

wasalam