Multiple personalities and judgement

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If a person has two totally dissociative personalities, one a saint and the other a wretched sinner, how will the soul be judged?
 
As one soul which has been through a great trial, Gods mercy has no bounds and His knowledge of this soul would be perfect and complete.
 
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If your talking about this medical disorder,then Jesus is merciful he know’s how to judge ,we don’t need to take his seat.

We have the beauty and the beast in each one of us,we have to strengthen the spiritual person in us or the saint in us by prayers penance and keep doing good and avoid the near occasion of sin,we need to persevere till the end ,then Jesus will show mercy and ,he will not only protect his own, but also know’s how to save you, your will should always confirm to his will.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin.15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17 But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Revelation 2:23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve. 24 But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call ‘the deep things of Satan,’ to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden; 25 only hold fast to what you have until I come. 26 To everyone who conquers and continues to do my works to the end,I will give authority over the nations;27 to rule them with an iron rod,as when clay pots are shattered—
 
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“Full Knowledge” and “Deliberate Consent” are two requirements for a sin to be mortal, and I think someone suffering from a severe mental disorder like dissociative personality disorder would lack both of those. Therefore God would be merciful.
 
God is omniscient and omnibenevolent. He understands every soul infinitely better than the soul understands himself or herself. He will give a right judgment.

You should study this topic personally if it bothers you enough, imo. You’ve made multiple threads with outlandish hypotheticals.
 
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But each of the two personalities would have full knowledge and deliberate consent.
 
You seem to be upset with me.

This is not an outlandish hypothetical situation, but most realistic in that there actually are individual with this type of multiple personality disorder.
 
A person with MPD that you describe has a mental illness, which God would take into account when judging the person. People with mental illness may have their free will affected by the disorder. For example, if someone has two “personalities” and only one personality consents to performing gravely sinful acts while the other personality does not consent, then there is obviously an impediment affecting the free will of the overall person, and God takes that into account.
 
How about an individual being in a different state of mind at different times. For example, a person who would never commit murder or do violence to another individual in his or her normal state of mind but does willfully consent to murder or violence when in a state of rather extreme rage? The same can hold true for someone who willfully commits a sexual mortal sin when experiencing very intense sexual arousal when they otherwise would never do so? Similarly, when someone willfully commits suicide while experiencing strong depression which they never would have done in their normal state of mind.

I think we all experience different emotional, distressful, or sexual states of mind where we are more susceptible to committing a mortal sin when we would never do so in our normal state of mind. This is certainly true for me and I would really like (name removed by moderator)ut rather God takes into account our state of mind when judging these types of mortal sin?

The Church, I believe, should be more clear on this!
 
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But each of the two personalities would have full knowledge and deliberate consent.
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A “personality” is not a whole person. A “personality” is a state of mind involving intense concentration and compartmentalization. There are many documented cases of MPD where one “personality” committed sins and even crimes such as property destruction and rape, while the other “personalities” disapproved of the act, maybe tried unsuccessfully to stop it, and/or were horrified when they discovered what had happened. Each “personality” is just another facet/ aspect of one person’s mind, so the situation is no different from a schizophrenic who, convinced he must murder his mom in order to save the world from destruction, stabs his mom to death and then later, upon receiving treatment for the schizophrenia, realizes his terrible act committed while in the grip of his illness, and is shocked, sad and remorseful.
 
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I think we all experience different emotional, distressful, or sexual states of mind where we are more susceptible to committing a mortal sin when we would never do so in our normal state of mind. This is certainly true for me and I would really like (name removed by moderator)ut rather God takes into account our state of mind when judging these types of mortal sin?

The Church, I believe, should be more clear on this!
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The Church is quite clear on its teachings about how consent can be affected. As it is an individualized situation for each person who might be affected by anything from mental illness, to stress, to lack of sleep, to habit, to medication they are taking for a physical ailment, etc., you are encouraged to discuss your personal situation of sin with your confessor.

With all due respect, why are you so concerned about this issue? You seem to think the Church doesn’t understand or make allowances for possible impediments to consent/ free will, which is simply not the case.

We have also been over the suicide example in numerous threads, especially recently in view of the Hullibarger news story, and the Church obviously recognizes nowadays that suicidal people may not be acting with full “willful consent” due to mental illness or stress.
 
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How about an individual being in a different state of mind at different times. For example, a person who would never commit murder or do violence to another individual in his or her normal state of mind but does willfully consent to murder or violence when in a state of rather extreme rage? The same can hold true for someone who willfully commits a sexual mortal sin when experiencing very intense sexual arousal when they otherwise would never do so? Similarly, when someone willfully commits suicide while experiencing strong depression which they never would have done in their normal state of mind.

I think we all experience different emotional, distressful, or sexual states of mind where we are more susceptible to committing a mortal sin when we would never do so in our normal state of mind. This is certainly true for me and I would really like (name removed by moderator)ut rather God takes into account our state of mind when judging these types of mortal sin?

The Church, I believe, should be more clear on this!
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God is omniscient and omnibenevolant. He knows and understands each soul better than they understand themselves. This means he knows perfectly things such:
  1. Spiritual support
  2. Emotional support
  3. Mental conditions
  4. Role models (good or bad)
  5. Personality
  6. Genetics
  7. Health
  8. Education, secular or spiritual
  9. Any other background.
He knows if a soul is not culpable or partially culpable or highly culpable. He knows if a soul is genuinely confused or if they are rationalizing to try to avoid responsibility. He knows the amount of light that each soul has received and what each soul has done with whatever light they have received. He will render a right and infallible judgment. God desires each soul to go to Heaven more than the soul itself wants to go to Heaven.

It is not within the Church’s power to alter or affect the judgments of God, however, we can participate in the merciful saving work of God in a mysterious and mystical way through our prayers.
 
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Personalities are not souls. Each human being has one soul, all of them will be judged in the end.
 
Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is a mental health condition. No judgment will be made because it’s a disorder
 
Have you ever met anyone with MPD/DID?

I did, once. It was back when it was still called MPD, and she was being studied by my university. I was hanging out with a group of friends at the time, and happened to be there when she decided to “come out” to them to explain why certain weird things had happened.

Each of her personalities (four? five?) was created to protect the main self from a particular traumatic situation, starting when she was five/six/seven, and continuing into her 20’s. And not all personalities knew all the other personalities, but all knew at least one or two others. Some came very rarely; others were far more dominant and proactive in taking control. When she was front and center, the other personalities knew what was going on, but when one of the personalities was in control, she didn’t know what was going on.

My question for the personality I spoke to had been along the lines of— “How long will you be with her? When will you go away?” And the answer I got was-- “When she comes to grips with the traumas that created us, then she won’t need us anymore.”

Years later, I heard a homily by a priest who had been with an exorcist priest for one particularly difficult possession. They asked the demon why they were having trouble permanently expelling him. And the answer came back— “When he forgives his (dad? stepdad?) for having sexually abused him as a child, I won’t be able to stay.” The implication being as long as he didn’t forgive his (father?) in his heart for this great crime, the demon was allowed to continue to stay.

So, yeah.

I’d be way more concerned for the judgment against the people who triggered those traumatic episodes, than I would be concerned about my friend herself being accountable for something she did while one of the other personalities was in control. Because a big part of sin is consent— and if you have the combination of mental illness + no memory of what happened… ultimately, God’s the only one who can sort that sort of stuff out.
 
Neither of them would, because in reality it’s one person with one brain.
 
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Neither of them would, because in reality it’s one person with one brain.
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No, we literally have two brains and two minds. The brain is bicameral and the left hemisphere and right hemisphere operate relatively independently, and sometimes in opposition with each other, although they can communicate somewhat via the corpus callosum.

Please define what you mean by “one person.” MPD is usually viewed as having more than one person in our body. In fact, there have been philosophical debates whether “killing” one personality is ethical!

Personalities defined: A set of qualities that make a person distinct from another. Therefore, MPD consists of more than one person in that the personalities in someone with MPD are distinct from each other. This is why I believe that MPD may create a theological paradox well worth exploring.
 
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Please define what you mean by “one person.” MPD is usually viewed as having more than one person in our body.
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Nope. It’s one human person with one soul.
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In fact, there have been philosophical debates whether “killing” one personality is ethical!
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What a foolish and unfounded debate.
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This is why I believe that MPD may create a theological paradox well worth exploring.
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The person is suffering from a terrible illness. There is no paradox to consider.
 
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