Multiplication of Loaves and Fishes AGAIN

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If God can create the universe and life, then God can create a few loaves and fish to feed a few thousand people. I just don’t see a problem.

I am sure that if Jesus wanted to give us a lesson in sharing, the Gospels would just say that Jesus encouraged the people to share.
 
We should all give thanks that this story preserved the dual plural forms ‘fish’ and ‘fishes’ in English for us to choose between
You can’t just choose. “Fish” is plural for multiple fish of the same species, “fishes” is plural for when you have many different species of fish. Sorry for the off topic.
 
It is sad that some priests are into removing the supernatural from our faith. And yet, there are many exorcisms needed in this day and age.

Many of these thoughts of removing the supernatural from our faith came out of the “Jesus Seminar”. It did much damage. I will see if I can find some information about that…I had done so in the past.
 
Yes!

And the Multiplication of the Loaves and Fishes was a “type” of the Eucharist!

Scripture reads that there were twelve baskets left over. Twelve is a full number in the bible. There is always Jesus Christ available for everyone!

Our pastor gave us a beautiful homily on the Gospel today…as he always does.
 
it wasn’t like the multiplication of the loaves, which was not a miracle at all. Jesus didn’t do magic to feed the crowds. What it was is that Jesus showed the crowds how to share what food they had because they always carried food underneath their tunics.” then went on with his homily.
I agree with the rejection of magic there. Many thought Jesus was a sorcerer like simon the sorcerer. There were so many false prophets, messiahs, and sorcerers and people claiming healing powers wandering around at that time.

I would be talking to this priest and asking him what he meant. Did he mean Jesus did not perform this miracle, and that people really just had that much food, and they were hiding under their tunics.
Ask him straight out and if he says Jesus did not perform this miracle , ask him why he is contradicting the Gospel and what his proof is.

This priest needs to know how people are hearing him.
 
I agree with the rejection of magic there.
Excellent observation! After all, “magic” is about asserting control of forces that humans generally don’t have control over, in an attempt to wrest control for oneself of these forces. That’s not something that God has to do – God already is in control!
If God can create the universe and life, then God can create a few loaves and fish to feed a few thousand people. I just don’t see a problem.
It’s a problem for folks who want to assert that there are no true miracles in the Bible, but rather, just “stories” that became tall tales and went way beyond what actually happened.
I think the boy was a neighborhood friend of Andrew. Andrew invited him to come hear Jesus.
So the boy about 12, because he is still called a boy, ask his mom if he could go. His mom approved and said she would fix him a lunch. When his mom gave him his lunch she said She packed enough for Andrew also!
Umm… pardon? It’s an interesting story… but is this just a personal reflection on what might have given rise to the boy having had that food?
Part of the guilt of our age is that there has been pressure, both seen and unseen, not only to reinvent the mass, but also to reinvent Christ into a less supernatural, more “believable” hero.
some progressives in the Church want to deny the existence of the supernatural aspects of the faith
This might very well be true – in fact, I think it’s a realistic assessment of the way some folks think these days – but it’s not how this whole “not a miracle, just some ‘sharing’” meme got started…
I have read and even heard some priests that there was no miracles, no magic performed by Jesus but that actually he made them share what food they had hidden under their tunics, which I find ridiculous.
Interestingly, this “sharing” idea didn’t originate with post-Vatican II priests and nuns. Rather, we see this same idea percolating among the prominent Protestant German theologians of the early 20th century. Being Rationalists, they denied the existence of true miracles (including the miracles of Jesus). I think there’s the opportunity to ask a very interesting question here. The claim is that the “miracle” is that the Jewish people to whom Jesus was preaching would actually share their own food with others. Now… was there any kind of pogrom against Jewish people as sub-humans who didn’t even deserve to live that was initiated in Germany in the first half of the 20th century?

🤔 Hmm… there’s not a correspondence here between anti-Semitism and the “it’s not really a miracle” meme, is there? 🤔
 
Interestingly, this “sharing” idea didn’t originate with post-Vatican II priests and nuns. Rather, we see this same idea percolating among the prominent Protestant German theologians of the early 20th century.
Well, yes, I always thought the Catholic clergy who got all into this “sharing, not a miracle” baloney in the 70s had reached that viewpoint through “ecumenical” discussions with German Lutherans. I believe I thought that because I had read that “sharing” theory in some German Lutheran clergyman’s book. It annoyed me to see Catholic priests and sisters embracing it, but I did not think they were the original authors.
Some clergy and sisters got too carried away in the 70s with skepticism and ecumenism.
 
Excellent observation! After all, “magic” is about asserting control of forces that humans generally don’t have control over, in an attempt to wrest control for oneself of these forces. That’s not something that God has to do – God already is in control!
Lets call a spade a spade, magic is about evil, its demonic. Doesn’t matter what innocent looking form it takes.
We have control over evil, we can say no.
no magic performed by Jesus
Jesus did not perform magic and priests should be saying this and reaffirming it.
 
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It’s a problem for folks who want to assert that there are no true miracles in the Bible, but rather, just “stories” that became tall tales and went way beyond what actually happened.
There is no way the universe could exist without a creator God. For the universe to exist, either something had no beginning, or something did not come from anything.

The Big Bang leaves those questions unanswered, science will not be able to answer those questions satisfactorily in my lifetime. Fortunately, there are still people who believe in the power of God.
 
You can’t just choose. “Fish” is plural for multiple fish of the same species, “fishes” is plural for when you have many different species of fish. Sorry for the off topic.
So were the fishes multiplied by Jesus of different species? Did they maintain the species differentiation as they multiplied?
 
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