Multiplying the fish and loaves

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When Jesus multiplied the fish,did the people on the mountain have to light fires to cook the fish also? was it ready to eat maybe or did they eat it raw back in those days?
 
I doubt there is a definitive answer, but know matter what happened it doesn’t change the fact that Jesus did multiply the loaves and fish. have a blessed easter
 
As a guy was walking down a road he met a beggar who was complaining and crying because was starving; the guy got some crackers from his backpack but the beggar was reluctand to get them;surprised, the guy asked the beggar why doesn’t get them;
The beggar answered :“Are the crackers kinda moist?”
 
Paul_theApostle said:
When Jesus multiplied the fish,did the people on the mountain have to light fires to cook the fish also? was it ready to eat maybe or did they eat it raw back in those days?
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No, unless you’re one of the camps that believe the Japanese to be descendants of the Israelites. 😃

I think it’s ready to eat, considering that the boy probably had it with him for lunch. Or to sell. 😛
 
Granted they were cooked, but were they unique individuals? Or clones?
 
Rainaldo said:
Granted they were cooked, but were they unique individuals? Or clones?
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Did they ever have a life in the sea as fish also?

They were dead and even cooked as soon as they came into existance:confused:
 
Does it matter? Would it make it more of a miracle if the fish had been alive (or had not existed until they were created, cooked and ready to eat)?

Personally, I am thankful that God chose to feed the people in this way, regardless of how it was done (I leave the “how” to Him).
 
It was probably smoked fish, or dried and salted.

Fish was often smoked or dried and salted to preserve it for transport and storage in the ancient world.

Dried fish which is heavily salted can stay edible for years without refridgeration if stored properly.

-Tim-
 
Cachonga said:
Does it matter? Would it make it more of a miracle if the fish had been alive (or had not existed until they were created, cooked and ready to eat)?

Personally, I am thankful that God chose to feed the people in this way, regardless of how it was done (I leave the “how” to Him).
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Don’t impose your lack of wonder on others. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for you yourselves do not enter in and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter.”
 
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Rainaldo:
Don’t impose your lack of wonder on others. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for you yourselves do not enter in and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter.”
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What? Scripture doesn’t tell us how God did this miracle, and I am not aware of any explanation by any ECF’s, so how does my “Does it matter?” question even imply a “lack of wonder”? Since when is expressing an opinion “imposing” something on anyone? As far as the verse used, are you implying that I’m a hypocrite, or what? Just out of curiousity, would you have made these comments if I was still a roman catholic?
 
When Jesus Christ turned the water into wine, that was “the good wine” 🙂
 
Paul_theApostle said:
When Jesus multiplied the fish,did the people on the mountain have to light fires to cook the fish also? was it ready to eat maybe or did they eat it raw back in those days?
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Sushi…yum! 😉
( sorry, couldn’t resist. :o )

I expect at least one person in the crowd could start a fire if needed.
Which means all had access to fire.
 
ChrisCath said:
Sushi…yum! 😉
( sorry, couldn’t resist. :o )

I expect at least one person in the crowd could start a fire if needed.
Which means all had access to fire.
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As one who is in Japan, I’m tempted to nitpick. 😃

Raw seafood by itself is sashimi. Sushi originally referred to fish fermented by wrapping it with sour fermenting rice (only the fish was eaten; the fermented rice was thrown away). The modern sushi as we know it today (raw fish AND vinegared rice) is a fairly recent creation.
 
patrick457 said:
As one who is in Japan, I’m tempted to nitpick. 😃

Raw seafood by itself is sashimi. Sushi originally referred to fish fermented by wrapping it with sour fermenting rice (only the fish was eaten; the fermented rice was thrown away). The modern sushi as we know it today (raw fish AND vinegared rice) is a fairly recent creation.
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I've seen barrels full of fermenting fish and rice on TV. Even Andrew Zimmerman could hardly get himself to eat it.
Drying fish isn’t hard to do, especially in an arid area. It is still a staple all over the world.

http://thewe.cc/thewe_/images_5/-/child-labor/child-worker-tends-to-dried-fish.jpe

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
I've seen barrels full of fermenting fish and rice on TV. Even Andrew Zimmerman could hardly get himself to eat it.
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The smell of medieval sushi (I’m talking about the fermented fish-type here) was so notoriously bad, there was even this folk anecdote (recorded in the Konjaku Monogatarishu) about a vendor who had vomited into her sushi but kept selling as it was anyway. Nobody noticed the vomit. :bigyikes:
 
Cachonga said:
Does it matter? Would it make it more of a miracle if the fish had been alive (or had not existed until they were created, cooked and ready to eat)?

Personally, I am thankful that God chose to feed the people in this way, regardless of how it was done (I leave the “how” to Him).
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MANY of the former Catholics I know left the Church because in their situations they were not allowed to ask questions. When they asked questions their very faith was questioned, and they were accused of being disobedient to the Church, simply for trying to understand it better. I don’t see this question as questioning how much of a miracle this was, just an attempt to understand exactly what happened in the situation.

(I actually didn’t notice your “former catholic” status until you mentioned it in another post on this thread.)
 
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hannajomar:
MANY of the former Catholics I know left the Church because in their situations they were not allowed to ask questions. When they asked questions their very faith was questioned, and they were accused of being disobedient to the Church, simply for trying to understand it better. I don’t see this question as questioning how much of a miracle this was, just an attempt to understand exactly what happened in the situation.
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This was not the situation in my case. Without going into details (since that is outside the scope of this thread), let’s just say that I came to believe Sola Scriptura. Also, thanks in large part to Tim Staples and my brother (who is constantly trying to bring me back into the bondage of Rome), I have come to understand Calvinism, and firmly believe in all 5 points

As far as trying to “understand exatly what happened in the situation”, if God doesn’t reveal it, then the very best answer would be nothing more than a guess on our part. I could say that the God who created everything out of nothing also created broiled fish and fresh baked bread out of nothing in order to feed the crowd. Is this what happened? Since Scripture doesn’t say so, I have no way to say this is more than just a possibility. Someone else might say that a fish monger and baker are missing some freshly cooked products. The point is, God performed a miracle without telling us exactly how He did it, so why waste time speculating on what God has chosen to keep secret.
 
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