Multiverse and Christianity

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I know some here don’t believe there are multiverses; I don’t want this thread to turn into an argument for whether they exist or not. What I want to know is can Christians, Catholics in particular, believe in multiverses?

Fr.bert Spitzer speaks of them in his book New Proofs for the Existence of God and in a YouTube video I just watched.
Br. Guy Consolmagno also talks about them briefly in an interview I read online.
Both talk about them like its possible they exist, without saying if we’re allowed to believe in them or not.
Thoughts?
 
Faith1960 said:
I know some here don’t believe there are multiverses; I don’t want this thread to turn into an argument for whether they exist or not. What I want to know is can Christians, Catholics in particular, believe in multiverses?

Fr.bert Spitzer speaks of them in his book New Proofs for the Existence of God and in a YouTube video I just watched.
Br. Guy Consolmagno also talks about them briefly in an interview I read online.
Both talk about them like its possible they exist, without saying if we’re allowed to believe in them or not.
Thoughts?
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Multiverse is the sole agenda to prove God did not create the Universe and he doesn’t exist. It’s trying to explain the existence of this universe, through a series of cosmic trials and errors, until it got it right. This still begs the question: who tried?
It is no more then the theoretical, and fantastical, I might add, imagination of some atheist scientist, like Steven Hawking. There might be some math there, but it’s purely speculative.
For our Faith, this would be pose some problems, if it were to be true. If trial and error was necessary for the creation of this Universe, then, if God exists, is he not omnipotent and all knowing? Does God make mistakes? And then, why would our world be special? For that matter, why would we, humans, be special and precious?
It devolves everything to relativism. It leads to: were not, actually that important, and God, if he exists, doesn’t care about us, that much.
But, God does care for us more then the Universe itself. He sent his only begotten Son to this particular planet, that he might save us.
The whole multiverse theory is irrational, at best, like is with the faith in reincarnation. Let’s try a billion times, until we get it right! No, no, no. Might sound appealing, but it’s not true.
 
anixx said:
Multiverse is the sole agenda to prove God did not create the Universe and he doesn’t exist. It’s trying to explain the existence of this universe, through a series of cosmic trials and errors, until it got it right. This still begs the question: who tried?
It is no more then the theoretical, and fantastical, I might add, imagination of some atheist scientist, like Steven Hawking. There might be some math there, but it’s purely speculative.
For our Faith, this would be pose some problems, if it were to be true. If trial and error was necessary for the creation of this Universe, then, if God exists, is he not omnipotent and all knowing? Does God make mistakes? And then, why would our world be special? For that matter, why would we, humans, be special and precious?
It devolves everything to relativism. It leads to: were not, actually that important, and God, if he exists, doesn’t care about us, that much.
But, God does care for us more then the Universe itself. He sent his only begotten Son to this particular planet, that he might save us.
The whole multiverse theory is irrational, at best, like is with the faith in reincarnation. Let’s try a billion times, until we get it right! No, no, no. Might sound appealing, but it’s not true.
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You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but like I said, I don’t want an argument, I want a correct answer to my question.
In listening to more of Fr. Spitzers video, he mentioned it again so I assume it’s not against the Catholic faith.
 
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkjhxzqr-5k

ttbook.org/book/transcript/transcript-brother-guy-consolmagno-theology-and-astronomy

<<<<<<<<<Fleming: One of the other things not science fiction that is currently talked about a great deal in the world of cosmology is the theory of the multiverse, the potentially infinite number of universes and we’re living in just one. What do you think of that?

Consolmagno: Well, we’ve got people working at the Vatican observatory who are actually looking into the mathematics of this, the physics of this. One of our cosmologists did his doctorate under Martin Rees, who is one of the people who’s come up with the idea. I think it’s a great idea both to make you think and to make you appreciate the infinite possibilities of creation. Back when Genesis was being written, and whoever wrote it took the best science of that day, which was Babylonian science, and said, “Bigger than the flat world that we all know we live on and the dome and the water above and below the dome, bigger that any of that was God,”and that was as big as they could imagine. If we say, “Bigger than the solar system, bigger than this galaxy, bigger than our universe, bigger than all of the infinite multiverses together, is God.”Then we’re really talking some big.

Fleming: It does seem to present a challenge but you’re saying it’s a challenge, really, not to religion but to the imagination.

Consolmagno: It is. A religion that doesn’t challenge you is not much of a religion and, frankly, a science that doesn’t challenge you is not much of a science.>>>>>>>>
 
Faith1960 said:
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but like I said, I don’t want an argument, I want a correct answer to my question.
In listening to more of Fr. Spitzers video, he mentioned it again so I assume it’s not against the Catholic faith.
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Can you provide some links, in order to see the claims? Please!
 
anixx said:
Can you provide some links, in order to see the claims? Please!
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I already did that even though I was on my iphone and had to go out of my way to access my main computer. In the future, I’m probably not going to include links. I usually post from my iphone or kindle and don’t know how to send links from them. You’ll just have to get them for yourself.
 
You might want to read some articles from Christian astrophysicist Jeff Zweerink, too.
 
Faith1960 said:
I already did that even though I was on my iphone and had to go out of my way to access my main computer. In the future, I’m probably not going to include links. I usually post from my iphone or kindle and don’t know how to send links from them. You’ll just have to get them for yourself.
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Sorry, didn’t see that. It’s 2h long. Maybe I’ll watch it tomorrow and get back to you, because it’s late now.
 
frobert said:
All you need to do is Google it: google.com/search?q=multiverses&oq=multiverses&aqs=chrome…69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

It’s a legitimate scientific inquiry. It is neither proof nor falsification of God. I don’t think the CC is as frightened of theories as some of the people on CAF appear to be.
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Well, when I wrote that I don’t want an argument, I just knew somebody will try to jump in and say how Spitzer, Consolmagno and Zweerink are ALL wrong and how THEY know what’s right. 😃

It shouldn’t take long…
 
Faith1960 said:
Well, when I wrote that I don’t want an argument, I just knew somebody will try to jump in and say how Spitzer, Consolmagno and Zweerink are ALL wrong and how THEY know what’s right. 😃

It shouldn’t take long…
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I quite respect Fr. Spitzer. I remember several weeks ago I looked at one of his talks. He does talk sense. And the funny thing is that you can understand him, even though he’s speaking in sciency language.
 
Faith1960 said:
Well, when I wrote that I don’t want an argument, I just knew somebody will try to jump in and say how Spitzer, Consolmagno and Zweerink are ALL wrong and how THEY know what’s right. 😃

It shouldn’t take long…
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I believe that the post I responded to asked for some links and I responded with a meta link. I did state my own opinion and apologize for stating my opinion. Also I apologize if I said anything about Spitzer, Consolmagno or Zweerink.
 
Faith1960 said:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkjhxzqr-5k

ttbook.org/book/transcript/transcript-brother-guy-consolmagno-theology-and-astronomy

<<<<<<<<<Fleming: One of the other things not science fiction that is currently talked about a great deal in the world of cosmology is the theory of the multiverse, the potentially infinite number of universes and we’re living in just one. What do you think of that?

Consolmagno: Well, we’ve got people working at the Vatican observatory who are actually looking into the mathematics of this, the physics of this. One of our cosmologists did his doctorate under Martin Rees, who is one of the people who’s come up with the idea. I think it’s a great idea both to make you think and to make you appreciate the infinite possibilities of creation. Back when Genesis was being written, and whoever wrote it took the best science of that day, which was Babylonian science, and said, “Bigger than the flat world that we all know we live on and the dome and the water above and below the dome, bigger that any of that was God,”and that was as big as they could imagine. If we say, “Bigger than the solar system, bigger than this galaxy, bigger than our universe, bigger than all of the infinite multiverses together, is God.”Then we’re really talking some big.

Fleming: It does seem to present a challenge but you’re saying it’s a challenge, really, not to religion but to the imagination.

Consolmagno: It is. A religion that doesn’t challenge you is not much of a religion and, frankly, a science that doesn’t challenge you is not much of a science.>>>>>>>>
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This is basically my view. I don’t personally believe in the multiverse theory, but even if I did it wouldn’t affect my faith.

The Church has not, to my knowledge, made any declarative statements on the subject. Honestly, I wouldn’t ever expect them to, since the Church doesn’t really deal with scientific matters except to study them for the greater glory of God. There is nothing in the multiverse theory that contradicts the faith, so I’d say you’re safe to believe in it, so long as you remember that above all is God. (Similar to what was said above in the quote.)
 
frobert said:
I believe that the post I responded to asked for some links and I responded with a meta link. I did state my own opinion and apologize for stating my opinion. Also I apologize if I said anything about Spitzer, Consolmagno or Zweerink.
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Oh, I wasn’t talking about you. You said nothing wrong. I was talking about the as-yet-to-arrive-prolific- posters who praise people like Spitzer when he says something they agree with then bash him when he doesn’t. 🙂

Perhaps they’ll refrain to comment, just to prove my prognostication wrong. 😉
 
Annix, why are you getting so upset about such a trivial matter.

God can make a zillion universes & probably has. The earth is no longer the center of the solar system and in a very remote corner of our galaxy. We are nowhere near the center of the universe. Does this lessen your Faith? As the Pope said recently if a Martian arrives we will need to offer him/it baptism like any other sentient being and teach him about Jesus. Perhaps Jesus has already visited them.

It is utter arrogant (and silly) to think there is only one universe. Once we knew nothing of America and Australia. Did that mean they didn’t exist? Did it lessen/erode the Faith when they were discovered?

I really cant see your point,… rather like flat-earthers.
 
Faith1960 said:
I know some here don’t believe there are multiverses; I don’t want this thread to turn into an argument for whether they exist or not. What I want to know is can Christians, Catholics in particular, believe in multiverses?

Fr.bert Spitzer speaks of them in his book New Proofs for the Existence of God and in a YouTube video I just watched.
Br. Guy Consolmagno also talks about them briefly in an interview I read online.
Both talk about them like its possible they exist, without saying if we’re allowed to believe in them or not.
Thoughts?
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Since it can’t be proven or disproven that they exist, you may believe in them. But I would be careful where I expressed either opinion since people today seem highly prejudical in their views.

Personally I think the idea is rediculous. Why so much time spent on something that can’t be proven either way?

Linus2nd.
 
Linusthe2nd said:
Since it can’t be proven or disproven that they exist, you may believe in them. But I would be careful where I expressed either opinion since people today seem highly prejudical in their views.

Personally I think the idea is rediculous. Why so much time spent on something that can’t be proven either way?

Linus2nd.
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It’s for the specialists in their field, the cosmologists, to discuss these questions.
At one time, not so long ago, we thought that our Milky Way was all there is.

Only a closed mind will find these ideas ridiculous.
 
If multiverses exist, we cannot see or interact with them, and so they are of no moral consequence to us.

Make for great science fiction, but in the end, we need to concentrate on working off our Purgatory.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
If multiverses exist, we cannot see or interact with them, and so they are of no moral consequence to us.

Make for great science fiction, but in the end, we need to concentrate on working off our Purgatory.

ICXC NIKA
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In was in 1825 when the French philosopher August Comte tried to come up with a problem that we’ll never be able to solve. He said that we will never know the chemical composition of stars. They are just too far away.

A few years later spectroscopy was discovered …

I would be cautious in saying that we will never be able to establish if our universe is the only one or not.
 
Hans_W said:
I would be cautious in saying that we will never be able to establish if our universe is the only one or not.
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Different dimensions are just bigger versions of different planets. Those who find it ridiculous obviously don’t understand how fun the idea can be. 👍
 
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