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Faith1960
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Yep.
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Nan_S
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I suppose there could be multiple universes, but God hasn’t provided us the means to detect them. On the face of it I don’t see any harm in believing in the possibility, so long as we don’t break our backs aligning ourselves with the anti-God crowd in trying to make way for the possibility. We are known by the company we keep.
Proverbs 13:20 He who walks with wise men becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
I do wonder where God would have put all these universes so they wouldn’t bump into each other or overlap. Stephen Hawking can speculate all he wants about such multiples, but the where and how is quite beyond any human, including Stephen himself. Albert Einstein didn’t leave us any verifiable trail to find multi-verses either. Certainly there has been no significant scientific evidence found which requires the existence of a multi-verse as an explanation.
That leaves me wondering whether God would even find use for a multi-verse. Earth is a tiny little planet circulating an insignificant sun, buried on a remote outer arm of an ordinary galaxy, a galaxy that has over 300 billion other stars and probably 10 times that many planets, in a universe with perhaps 500 billion other galaxies. We humans haven’t even scratched the surface of understanding our own universe.
And we humans believe this single rock of ours is the only place in our universe with intelligent life? Or that God would create a multi-verse… why? Instead of pondering the existence of multi-verses, why not ponder the potential development of intelligent life on other planets within this universe and how God interacts with them?
Bottom line: As science fiction, a multi-verse is a handy tool for rebooting storylines. Witness the reboot of Star Trek or X-Men movies. In the realm of science fact, nothing has ever been observed that requires the existence of a multi-verse. Believe it or don’t, as you wish, but what is the point of such speculation other than as a tool for “proving” God is unnecessary?
Proverbs 13:20 He who walks with wise men becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
I do wonder where God would have put all these universes so they wouldn’t bump into each other or overlap. Stephen Hawking can speculate all he wants about such multiples, but the where and how is quite beyond any human, including Stephen himself. Albert Einstein didn’t leave us any verifiable trail to find multi-verses either. Certainly there has been no significant scientific evidence found which requires the existence of a multi-verse as an explanation.
That leaves me wondering whether God would even find use for a multi-verse. Earth is a tiny little planet circulating an insignificant sun, buried on a remote outer arm of an ordinary galaxy, a galaxy that has over 300 billion other stars and probably 10 times that many planets, in a universe with perhaps 500 billion other galaxies. We humans haven’t even scratched the surface of understanding our own universe.
And we humans believe this single rock of ours is the only place in our universe with intelligent life? Or that God would create a multi-verse… why? Instead of pondering the existence of multi-verses, why not ponder the potential development of intelligent life on other planets within this universe and how God interacts with them?
Bottom line: As science fiction, a multi-verse is a handy tool for rebooting storylines. Witness the reboot of Star Trek or X-Men movies. In the realm of science fact, nothing has ever been observed that requires the existence of a multi-verse. Believe it or don’t, as you wish, but what is the point of such speculation other than as a tool for “proving” God is unnecessary?
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phil19034
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God can create as many universes as He wants. He’s God.
Just like He could have created life on multiple planets, He could have created multiple universes.
Who knows, perhaps Heaven is in a place we would consider a “different universe”…? Or perhaps a “different dimension.”
For me, the more we learn about physics, the more insight we see of God’s master plan. Finally, if there are Multi-verses, it still doesn’t negate God… someone had to start it all, someone had to design it all… and that someone is God.
God is Truth. Science and Religion do not need to be seperate. What we call “Physics” is simply the rules God used when creating the Heavens!
The key is to always remember that God was, is, and forever will be behind it all.
God Bless.
Just like He could have created life on multiple planets, He could have created multiple universes.
Who knows, perhaps Heaven is in a place we would consider a “different universe”…? Or perhaps a “different dimension.”
For me, the more we learn about physics, the more insight we see of God’s master plan. Finally, if there are Multi-verses, it still doesn’t negate God… someone had to start it all, someone had to design it all… and that someone is God.
God is Truth. Science and Religion do not need to be seperate. What we call “Physics” is simply the rules God used when creating the Heavens!
The key is to always remember that God was, is, and forever will be behind it all.
God Bless.
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phil19034
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I’d like to comment on something you said…
While the Universe seems infinite to us, it’s still tiny to God. Maybe, just maybe, God has so much Love to give it - that it exceeds the contents of this Universe…
That’s a lot of Love and it is a thought that gives me goosebumps - in a good way.
God Bless
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Faith1960
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Multiverse or not, the heavens are mind boggling amazing.
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Faith1960
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Only God is bigger that the universe or multiverse. I can’t even wrap my mind around it.I’d like to comment on something you said…
While the Universe seems infinite to us, it’s still tiny to God. Maybe, just maybe, God has so much Love to give it - that it exceeds the contents of this Universe…
That’s a lot of Love and it is a thought that gives me goosebumps - in a good way.
God Bless
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Lost_Wanderer
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Your answer actually lies in fiction (and no, multi-verses aren’t just a convenient reboot tools
). Multiple worlds, with varying cosmologies, are popular forms of creative expression. Maybe God wanted to create different universes with different models than the one that governs ours.Imagine it like this: Say you wanted to create a world based on Celtic folkore. In another world, you make a fantasy version of Coruscant. Then after that, you create a third world based on Japanese mythology. In your fourth world, the world is based on Gothic horror. You don’t even stop there as you move on to worlds inspired by Greek myth, urban legends, and anything else an infinite God might come up with.
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GEddie
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One could imagine the Life Everlasting as a kind of parallel universe…
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phil19034
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YeapOne could imagine the Life Everlasting as a kind of parallel universe…
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Nan_S
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You don’t need a multi-verse to write alternate-world fiction. All you need are two planets in different galaxies, or different parts of this galaxy.Your answer actually lies in fiction (and no, multi-verses aren’t just a convenient reboot tools
Imagine it like this: Say you wanted to create a world based on Celtic folkore. In another world, you make a fantasy version of Coruscant. Then after that, you create a third world based on Japanese mythology. In your fourth world, the world is based on Gothic horror. You don’t even stop there as you move on to worlds inspired by Greek myth, urban legends, and anything else an infinite God might come up with.
Well, I suppose you might need a parallel universe if you wanted to alter the rules of physics… or you wanted your characters to move between one life and a parallel world life…
What you don’t need is a multi-verse to explain anything discovered in science fact.
Even if the existence of a multi-verse were proven, and that our universe was spawned by the collapse of another universe, you still have the question: What caused it all in the first place? “Proving” the possible existence of a multi-verse doesn’t eliminate the need for God, no matter what Stephen Hawking believes.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Your second statement is the counter-argument to your first. Remember, your question was why would God create another universe? Answer: We can easily come to the conclusion that the very fabric of the universe could be just one iteration. There are laws that don’t change even if you travel to a different planet so what about an entirely different plane of existence?
If I learned that one dimension allowed the existence of wizards and dragons, I’d certainly hop straight for it!
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Nan_S
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Enjoying Game of Thrones and The Dragonriders of Pern, are you?Your second statement is the counter-argument to your first. Remember, your question was why would God create another universe? Answer: We can easily come to the conclusion that the very fabric of the universe could be just one iteration. There are laws that don’t change even if you travel to a different planet so what about an entirely different plane of existence?
If I learned that one dimension allowed the existence of wizards and dragons, I’d certainly hop straight for it!
All I was trying to say was that most alternate-world fiction stories don’t require alternate universes. Pern and the world of Song of Ice and Fire could exist somewhere in this universe. But some stories need it.
Reality doesn’t need alternate universes. Not according to what science has discovered, anyway.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Well I’m curious. If a monstrous creature like Balerion couldn’t exist on Earth, exactly how would a similar planet like in Martin’s novels be any different?
We’re talking about not just defying the laws of physics here but possibly chemistry and biology. Are you suggesting those laws can be broken on just another planet? If so, how? This the first time I’ve heard of this sort of speculation.
Are you simply substituting different worlds with galaxies? Are galaxies sufficient enough to alter the laws of reality?
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Nan_S
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Our reality on earth is a factor of our planet’s gravitational field, atmosphere, climate, electrical field, and chemistry, and our evolution to survive in those conditions. Other worlds will differ; it would be silly to imagine that life could ONLY exist on a world identical to ours.Well I’m curious. If a monstrous creature like Balerion couldn’t exist on Earth, exactly how would a similar planet like in Martin’s novels be any different?
We’re talking about not just defying the laws of physics here but possibly chemistry and biology. Are you suggesting those laws can be broken on just another planet? If so, how? This the first time I’ve heard of this sort of speculation.
Are you simply substituting different worlds with galaxies? Are galaxies sufficient enough to alter the laws of reality?
Dinosaurs existed here on earth. They were monstrous and some of them flew. A planet with a different gravitational field and a mix of atmospheric gasses with a density that allows bigger dinosaurs to fly isn’t that difficult to imagine. You may not be able to breathe the air, but that wouldn’t stop creatures which evolved to live there.
Avatar is completely do-able in our own universe, even though not on our planet.
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phil19034
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I’m not sure about the floating mountains with waterfalls… I don’t think thats too likely in our universe.
God Bless.
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GEddie
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It could be, with a gravitational and/or crustal structure far different to our world.I’m not sure about the floating mountains with waterfalls… I don’t think thats too likely in our universe.
God Bless.
The falls might not consist of H[sub]2[/sub]O, however
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Lost_Wanderer
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According the fanbase wiki, they may also have something to do with the planet’s unobtanium deposits.
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According to the fanbase wiki, they may also have something to do with the planet’s unobtanium deposits.
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Faith1960
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Well, now if a Catholic source says it then it must be true. From a Catholic source:
catholic.org/news/technology/story.php?id=51025
catholic.org/news/technology/story.php?id=51025
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Richca
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I do not believe the Catholic Church has made a definitive judgement on the matter of multi universes and may never will for it certainly is not beyond the power of God. At the same time, I do not think the theory is likely for the following reasons.
Firstly, the CCC#290 and CCC#326 says that the meaning of “In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1) this includes the totality of all that exists outside of God whether it be the material creation or the angels, of all that is seen or unseen. Now Holy Scripture always uses the words "world’ or “universe” in the singular. Indeed, in the beginning of St John’s gospel, it is written concerning the Word of God:
All things came to be through him,
and without him nothing came to be…
He was in the world,
and the world came to be through him…(John 1: 3,10) as if one world or universe exists.
Again, we recite as an article of faith in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan and the Apostles creeds, “I believe in God, the Father almightly, creator of heaven and earth” as if one world or universe exists.
Secondly, Holy Scripture and the CCC#358 teach that human beings are at the pinnacle of God’s material creation. Human beings are the only material creature that God created for themselves, all other material creatures were created for human beings and to serve human beings; and this principally in two ways: first, as sustenance to his/her bodily life; second, as helping him/her to know God, in as much man sees the invisible things of God by the things that are made (Romans 1:20).
Now, another universe besides the one we live in is not necessary for the sustenance of man’s bodily life. Indeed, only one star, our sun does this. Nor would another universe besides the one we live in be necessary for man to see the invisible things of God by the things that are made for two reasons: first, we do not see this other universe or universes; two, even if it did exist, we have no knowledge that it does exist.
Thirdly, God created human beings for Himself. Our perfect happiness and last end does not consist in any created thing but only in God as St Augustine said " our hearts are restless til they rest in Thee." So, if this vast universe we live in cannot satisfy the heart of man, neither would another universe or, indeed, an infinite number of them.
Fourthly, though I do not know all the reasons why some people propound this theory of multi universes, I suspect that at least some if not all of them can hardly be reconciled with the science of true metaphysics.
It may be more likely that in the future, as long as the world is still turning, instead of discovering other universes that may or may not exist, mankind will discover that the universe we live in is more vast than presently thought. Maybe we will discover stars or galaxies that are 30, 60, or 100 billion light years away.
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