Murder or Premarital Sex?

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kage_ar said:
The Catholic Encyclopedia gives links to scrupture and official documents on the teachings of hell.

newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm
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That is not an answer to my question.

This is from the same link that you posted:

"… The pains of hell differ in degree according to demerit. This holds true not only of the pain of sense, but also of the pain of loss. A more intense hatred of God, a more vivid consciousness of utter abandonment by Divine goodness, a more restless craving to satisfy the natural desire for beatitude with things external to God, a more acute sense of shame and confusion at the folly of having sought happiness in earthly enjoyment – all this implies as its correlation a more complete and more painful separation from God…
 
As another poster has pointed out, the Catechism does clearly teach (as does Tradition/saints/popes) that all mortal sins are NOT equal…there is a ranking of gravity…nor are the pains of hell equal. I don’t think the Catechism gets into this latter point, but many saints/popes have, and it’s logical if we consider that grave sins are not equally evil.
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
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That being said, I think it’s clear that murder is a graver sin. Murder DESTROYS an image of God…illicit sex simply perverts/distorts it.
 
Cristiano said:
That is not an answer to my question.

This is from the same link that you posted:

"… The pains of hell differ in degree according to demerit. This holds true not only of the pain of sense, but also of the pain of loss. A more intense hatred of God, a more vivid consciousness of utter abandonment by Divine goodness, a more restless craving to satisfy the natural desire for beatitude with things external to God, a more acute sense of shame and confusion at the folly of having sought happiness in earthly enjoyment – all this implies as its correlation a more complete and more painful separation from God…
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This is going off topic, perhaps begin a new thread in the Scripture area?
 
littletherese3 said:
Which do you think is the most immoral, murder or premarital sex?
In school today, about 3 people thought that it was premarital sex and 25 thought murder. What do you think?
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definately premartail sex. Mureder can only be committed once against a person.
 
Valke2 said:
definately premartail sex. Mureder can only be committed once against a person.
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What!!?? So the measure of evil is how often the sin can be committed against an individual? So gossiping about my neighbor is worse than simply cutting his head off?

This thread is a train wreck…

lol
 
Rico_S said:
What!!?? So the measure of evil is how often the sin can be committed against an individual? So gossiping about my neighbor is worse than simply cutting his head off?

This thread is a train wreck…

lol
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Gossip is as bad as murder because once words are said, they can’t be taken back. Gossiping during premartial sex is about as bad as you can get.
 
The idea that taking delight in an occasional sexual thought will send you to Hell just like mass murder simply doesn’t seem logical to me… Would a loving God really do that?
 
TLM08 said:
The idea that taking delight in an occasional sexual thought will send you to Hell just like mass murder simply doesn’t seem logical to me… Would a loving God really do that?
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It seemed this way to me before, until I realized that as long as you were contrite for your sin after having committed it, and went to confession with the intent of not committing it again, you would still be saved.
 
TLM08 said:
The idea that taking delight in an occasional sexual thought will send you to Hell just like mass murder simply doesn’t seem logical to me… Would a loving God really do that?
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First you would have to establish that what you wrote above is actually Church teaching.

Second, would a loving God allow the human race, and all of creation, to suffer for the act by the first two people of eating a piece of fruit? Well, he is a loving God, and he did. So perhaps your ideas of what a loving God would and would not do are too limited.
 
littletherese3 said:
Which do you think is the most immoral, murder or premarital sex?
In school today, about 3 people thought that it was premarital sex and 25 thought murder. What do you think?
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Murder is worst because you have taken away someone’s right to live their own life. You have also permanently hurt the family and friends of that person. It’s like asking which is worse, suicide or premarital sex. One is worse because it’s permanent and irrevocable.
 
kage_ar said:
The CCC on private revelations:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/67.htm

**67 **Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
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***Please note what I put in bold above.

Let’s not dance around the point, private revelation is not an issue here. No Church document (as far as I know) says that Hell is the same for every soul. However, there are Saints that have had revelations from God, revelations that the Church has said are worthy of belief. So again:

What Church document teaches that the punishment in Hell is the same for every soul, the same torture *and *intensity?
 
Some of the posts here make sense. Some shock me. How far in left field are we?

How can any, but a crazy person, try to argue that someone having sex with there boyfriend or girlfriend of someone cheating on there spouse is somehow the same or in some way comparable to murder.

Its so asinine. Let me tell ya one great big difference. The Electric Chair.

Can I get an amen?
 
YipYupYep said:
Some of the posts here make sense. Some shock me. How far in left field are we?

How can any, but a crazy person, try to argue that someone having sex with there boyfriend or girlfriend of someone cheating on there spouse is somehow the same or in some way comparable to murder.

Its so asinine. Let me tell ya one great big difference. The Electric Chair.

Can I get an amen?
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(well, *murder *of an *innocent *person)

AMEN!
 
YipYupYep said:
Some of the posts here make sense. Some shock me. How far in left field are we?

How can any, but a crazy person, try to argue that someone having sex with there boyfriend or girlfriend of someone cheating on there spouse is somehow the same or in some way comparable to murder.

Its so asinine. Let me tell ya one great big difference. The Electric Chair.

Can I get an amen?
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Here you are talking about human justice and human mercy, not God’s justice and God’s mercy.
 
That_one_guy said:
Common sense tells me that if this is a valid list then masturbation should be the lowest on the list.
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Simple fornication can be motivated by selfless love(Charity) but the act is still wrong, thus making it sinful
Masturbation has a sinful motive and is a sinful act

Common sense tells me that masturbation is in the right place on that VALID list
 
Masturbation and Murder are both messy, they are both done when no one is looking and are both often unplanned.
 
latinmasslover said:
***Please note what I put in bold above.

Let’s not dance around the point, private revelation is not an issue here. No Church document (as far as I know) says that Hell is the same for every soul. However, there are Saints that have had revelations from God, revelations that the Church has said are worthy of belief. So again:

What Church document teaches that the punishment in Hell is the same for every soul, the same torture *and *intensity?
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The official teaching of the Church is silent on this topic. Until the Church speaks, people of good will can disagree.

Heck, even Ott states that this is not defined.
 
kage_ar said:
The official teaching of the Church is silent on this topic. Until the Church speaks, people of good will can disagree.

Heck, even Ott states that this is not defined.
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No disagreement there; it *seemed *as if you were saying that the Church *had *made an official statement.
 
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