Murder or suicide?

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Do you agree with (or understand) the Church’s premise that if a mother and child are at risk during the birth process, the mother should die and the child should live?
This isn’t the “Church’s premise”. The Church, as I understand it, permits medical care for the mother. If the baby in the womb dies as a side effect of the medical care, then that is not considered sinful. However, many moms will refuse the medical care because they would rather not take a risk of their baby dying - they’d rather die themselves.

What the Church prohibits is directly aborting the baby.
 
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What about Martin Shkreli?
Martin Shkreli is an attention-seeking unprintable word, and is pretty much detested and thought to be a creep by everybody in the pharma industry, everybody involved with pharma law, and everybody who has anything to do with pharma.

He is NOT the norm for pharma. I know a lot of people who work for pharma, have worked for pharma, and deal with pharma law, and all of them are concerned with the ethics of not pricing a drug sky-high if possible. This is not solely driven by love of one’s fellow man, although that plays into it. It is rather the realization that if pharma companies behave irresponsibly in setting unjustified prices solely to make money, they will be immediately sued six ways to Sunday and the feds will come marching in to regulate them out the wazoo.
 
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This has turned out to be a much more complicated issue than I gave it credit. And, things have changed. I need an update on my Catholic education. I thank everyone for their responses. If you feel so inclined, please continue to respond. I’m learning a great deal and realizing I need to learn a great deal more.
 
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How could a pharma company shutdown R & D, rely on acedemia to do the research, then get a patented. The answer is they can’t, once acedemia publishes the result it is in the public domain, anyone can produce the recipe for the drug.

All publicly traded companies have to be able to produce something in order to turn a profit and gain value. They get value by what they give to people (for a price of course).

You are angry because you think there is a solution, though it is, in almost all cases, it is not really a solution. Sure WWII ships could have stopped to pick up a fallen soldier but the cost was too hight
https://www.quora.com/The-scene-in-...ops-to-help-him-Is-that-historically-accurate
 
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Pharma companies are still doing plenty of R&D. Sure, a lot of it may be done in conjunction with academia and perhaps funded at least in part by grants or some source other than the pharma company - which also affects whether the company will be able to get a patent, although sometimes they can still get an exclusive license. When a pharma company is planning its business strategy, it takes all this into account.

Most articles written about Big Pharma are heavily agenda-driven and should generally be taken with several large grains of salt.
 
So. Self preservation?
Ethics gets you so far. Ethics + the possibility of looking really bad in public and opening the door to the government taking all kinds of undesirable actions and ultimately, losing lots of $ will get you a long, long way. Those not motivated by ethics will be motivated by financial and reputational risk.
 
Intention would be if you have $20 and you need a script that cost $15 and you need $20 to get gas. Do you NEED gas? You NEED your meds.
If I need two things and can’t have them both, then I must choose. That does not mean that choosing the wrong one must be a sin.

Do I need gas? Depends on why I want it. Suppose I can’t get to the pharmacy except by driving there, because it’s physically beyond my abilities to walk that far.

Am I aware that not having the meds could cause my death? Because I’m not a doctor and may not know this.

I think you oversimplify the issue by assuming full and uncoerced choice, and full intention for whatever result takes place.
 
Pharma companies are still doing plenty of R&D. Sure, a lot of it may be done in conjunction with academia and perhaps funded at least in part by grants or some source other than the pharma company - which also affects whether the company will be able to get a patent, although sometimes they can still get an exclusive license. When a pharma company is planning its business strategy, it takes all this into account.

Most articles written about Big Pharma are heavily agenda-driven and should generally be taken with several large grains of salt.
Not to mention that it’s not like students and the US government is paying for the research. They do factor in. But many times the research is via private grants—which are from the pharma companies anyway. It works out fairly well because students are cheap labor and well-funded schools get good students.
 
Right. There are a lot of legal and business reasons why a company might do it as a private grant rather than a direct pay.

All industries do this to some degree, but pharma and medical are hugely dependent on University research, more so than many other industries, and in the US tend to do a lot more of it than industries that build aircraft or write software or whatever.
 
Do you agree with (or understand) the Church’s premise that if a mother and child are at risk during the birth process, the mother should die and the child should live?
That is not what the Church says.
“You shall not kill the baby” does not equal “You should kill the mother”.
Nor does it equal “The mother ought to die”.

What the Church says is “You must do all you can to save both mother and child. You may not purposely end one life in your attempt to save the other.”
 
If a person dies because the cost of his/her medication is too high, and s/he can’t afford to buy it, is it considered suicide or murder? If pharmaceutical companies price medication knowing that it’s out of reach to some, there is INTENTION. If someone knows not taking certain meds will cause death, there is also INTENTION.
Excellent question. Regardless the answer, I think the question reveals that for-profit healthcare is a morally dubious proposition.
 
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Lots of reading about Catholic teachings on life issues, such as in the Catechism. And on what do you base yours?
 
If your action was a scheme to kill people, if that was your motivation, the act is immoral, by virtue of intention.

Acts can be immoral for reasons other than Intention.

If you set prices so as to make super profits and earn bonuses, knowing that such will deny consumers medication, that act may well be immoral.

If you set prices consistent with the successful operation of the business ongoing, knowing some will still be unable to afford the medication, that is unlikely to be immoral.
 
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Neither. Pricing medication at a high level does not necessarily imply intent to kill. Not being able to take medication is not the same as purposely not taking medication to kill oneself. Cause of death would be based on past medical history. Manner would be natural.
 
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Do you agree with (or understand) the Church’s premise that if a mother and child are at risk during the birth process, the mother should die and the child should live?
What? There is no such premise. Two lives are at risk and the medical team have 2 patients.
 
The Church may have changed that particular premise since I learned it. That was a long time ago. May I inquire as to on what do you base your answer?
There never was such a premise. You were misled or misunderstood. There is a premise that a person - eg. The child - may not be killed. So (with a view to conditions long ago) it was never acceptable to intentionally crush the skull of a child too large to be born.
 
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