Murdered Coptics, Catholics and Orthodox not Christians, says protestant author

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GKC said:
If you corrected him, I think he would reply that there is only one salient characteristic of all other churches that disagree with his blinkered vision: they disagree with his blinkered vision. All other points are nugatory, including factual accuracy in his assertions.It’s the big picture, not the details: we are right, all others are wrong and non-Christian.
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Exactly. Reformed, Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican-- all wrong.
That would include the Reformed Baptists, who are credal. They’re wrong too, to the fundies.
 
Faithdancer said:
That was my take, that he’s a fundamentalist Baptist. Those folks would take a dim view of Reformed believers. On account of infant baptism and confessionalism, among other things.
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I’ve been struggling to categorize my friend (who I mentioned in #17) who would agree with this article.

My friend grew up Baptist and goes to a Baptist church, but doesn’t want to identify with a denomination. He calls himself a Bible Believing Christian. In light of his beliefs such as acceptance of sola fide as the sole determinant of salvation, no infant baptism, and a complete ban on alcohol (“Jesus never consumed an ounce of wine”), fundamentalist Baptist seems the most accurate label to me.
 
steve93 said:
According to the British thugs he was. Seriously, they try to say Patrick was a Protestant (and presumably Anglican).
irishcentral.com/news/st-patrick-was-a-protestant-say-loyalist-leaders-in-northern-ireland-142848015-237749731
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But the Protestant church didn’t exist when St Patrick was walking the earth!

He is an Orthodox saint though. As is our Irish St Brigid and many others, back in the day when we Irish were saints and scholars, But then Pope Urban 1V sent in the English to bring us into line with Rome. And I suppose you could say, the rest is history.
 
Wampa said:
I’ve been struggling to categorize my friend (who I mentioned in #17) who would agree with this article.

My friend grew up Baptist and goes to a Baptist church, but doesn’t want to identify with a denomination. He calls himself a Bible Believing Christian. In light of his beliefs such as acceptance of sola fide as the sole determinant of salvation, no infant baptism, and a complete ban on alcohol (“Jesus never consumed an ounce of wine”), fundamentalist Baptist seems the most accurate label to me.
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Yes. The Reformed Christians (e.g. Presbyterians) have no problem with alcohol in moderation. They are not generally legalistic either, which fundamentalists can be. Fundamental Baptist churches are often independent of jurisdictions like the SBC.
You’ll know you’re talking to a fundie when the first thing they ask you is when you were saved.🙂
 
The timing is bad. It’s not so much the message if the author that I find offensive, it’s the intent. It smells of pride.
 
Parts of the US are totally infected with these types. Controlled from the central termite mounts in Florida and the Carolinas. Complete lunatics railing on the “kjv cult” (look it up) idiocy, Leviticus, un-European attacks on alcohol (think Muslim style bans), cultic “colleges”, warmongering, defending the British Empire, old South Africa, Zionism, tyrants in colonial Massachusetts (who would have killed them without blinking!)Calvinists, Anti-Calvinists, Sola scriptura (unless they don’t like it, them its “evil apocrypha”), on and on and on.
Of course being in Europe, I would doubt you have much experience with all this.
The scary thing is the propensity of some catholics to associate with anyone, so long as they’re anti-abortion like the Cold War west associating with anyone, Fascist, Islamic fundamentalist, random dictator, as long as they’re anti-communist.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Ultra reformed - more on the fundamentalist side.

Those who are irrational - if the text were to say it was raining cats and dogs outside, well then, there must be cats and dogs falling from the sky

From my dealings here at CAF- nobody here falls into that category, thankfully.
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The same fools who say that showing Christ on the cross is implying that he did not Rise or the calling the Holy Virgin Mary the Mother of God implies that She existed in eternity past or that the trinity did not exist before the Nativity.
The stupid is strong with them. (in Alec Guinness voice).
 
steve93 said:
The same fools who say that showing Christ on the cross is implying that he did not Rise or the calling the Holy Virgin Mary the Mother of God implies that She existed in eternity past or that the trinity did not exist before the Nativity.
The stupid is strong with them. (in Alec Guinness voice).
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Yes, I’ve heard those same claims. We are killing Jesus all over again with crucifixes and Masses.🤷

This is an extremely narrow minded and shallow existence.

Hard for Christian growth to take place if you are stuck in such a rut. And it will cause a person to become very judgmental and self righteous.
 
steve93 said:
Parts of the US are totally infected with these types. Controlled from the central termite mounts in Florida and the Carolinas. Complete lunatics railing on the “kjv cult” (look it up) idiocy, Leviticus, un-European attacks on alcohol (think Muslim style bans), cultic “colleges”, warmongering,
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Well I don’t think I would use your infection/termite analogies, but I definitely agree that there are problems with such groups.

Perhaps the best way to respond to their sharia-law-like Christianity is to point out that they themselves would have been imprisoned or even executed in the old days as “obstinate heretics”.
 
Peter_J said:
Well I don’t think I would use your infection/termite analogies, but I definitely agree that there are problems with such groups.

Perhaps the best way to respond to their sharia-law-like Christianity is to point out that they themselves would have been imprisoned or even executed in the old days as “obstinate heretics”.
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Termites have no real brain, live in darkness (actual or figurative), and follow orders like zombies. Its a pretty good analogy.
 
I came across a site that was denouncing this former Arab Muslim who first was an evangelical then became Catholic.

They were criticizing Catholics as well for living in the presence of God, Brother Lawrence’s spirituality…

I just don’t think it is possible to dialogue. I have been to other sites the last couple of years, and was not moderate after awhile, it all so hurtful, that I told some of them off. I avoid now as much as possible trying to reason and share when they get this extreme.
 
Wampa said:
My “Bible Believing Christian” friend told me the same thing this morning when I asked him about the attacks in Egypt. Sigh 😦
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I am sure ISIS appreciates people like this, as well as those in the initial article.

By your fruits you will no them. Such points of disagreement callously made at the time of a tragedy do not reflect the Jesus they claim to follow. This is just a less visible form of the Westboro Baptist disease.
 
steve93 said:
Termites have no real brain, live in darkness (actual or figurative), and follow orders like zombies. Its a pretty good analogy.
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I’m actually sort of sympathetic with KJV only, well the reasonable ones anyway not Pastor Anderson or the rest of his lot.

Because the NIV has about 40 deleted verses and others like NASB have their Calvinist slants.

They are just trying to find and stick to something unchanging, unbiased and reliable.
 
I was evangelical for 25 years before converting to Eastern Orthodoxy and then to Catholicism. Knox is just doing what they do. No surprise. The historical Churches can’t catch a break from evangelicals. This is especially true of the non-Chalcedonians. These people have been martyred in great numbers for centuries and it continues today. Some American evangelicals think they’re being persecuted when they get a dirty look while saying grace at a restaurant.

The Copts are the Marines of Christendom and they deserve our respect, prayers, and support.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
I’m actually sort of sympathetic with KJV only, well the reasonable ones anyway not Pastor Anderson or the rest of his lot.

Because the NIV has about 40 deleted verses and others like NASB have their Calvinist slants.

They are just trying to find and stick to something unchanging, unbiased and reliable.
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Yes, our Continuing Anglican services use the KJV, as does the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. As does the Anglican Monastic Diurnal. Apparently that lumps us in with anyone else who uses the KJV.
The sweeping and vitriolic generalizations made here on CAF sometimes ( not by you, obviously) are really disappointing.😦
 
Faithdancer said:
The sweeping and vitriolic generalizations made here on CAF sometimes ( not by you, obviously) are really disappointing.😦
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That’s very true … nice that we can agree on something. 🙂

I think one of the best things you can do at times like that is ask yourself, How much do I really care what someone I don’t know posts anonymously on the internet?
 
pnewton said:
I am sure ISIS appreciates people like this, as well as those in the initial article.

By your fruits you will no them. Such points of disagreement callously made at the time of a tragedy do not reflect the Jesus they claim to follow. This is just a less visible form of the Westboro Baptist disease.
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I guess I should defend my friend’s position in this respect: I brought the issue up by sending him the news story via e-mail and asking him if the martyred Copts were Christians in his belief system. This was in the context of a back-and-forth we are already having where he’s trying to convince me that the Catholic Church is Satanic and that I should come over to his team. To his credit, his response about the Copts not being Christian was sent privately to only me (unlike the author in question in this thread) and he did give moderating comments about how terrible it was and how he can’t know what’s in their hearts (i.e. they might be saved, if they somehow accepted sola fide before they died). My friend at least wasn’t being a jerk publicly like this author is.
 
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