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bellasbane
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You are quite charitable. It looked like a gratuitous attempt to deflect blame to me.
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ProVobis
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I agree. When your party is in the minority, itās especially difficult to judge oneās true position just by their vote.
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seekerz
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The article says that Amish and observant Muslims get exempted because participation in any type of insurance is against their religious beliefs. If Catholics had similar beliefs, we would certainly qualify for the same exemption. However, our bishops support universal health coverage, so a way has to be found for us to participate to the extent our beliefs allow - a much more nuanced position than outright rejection.
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seekerz
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Have you actually read the article? Those faiths were not selected out for preferential treatment, their beliefs prevent them from buying insurance, period. Does your faith disallow insurance?
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seekerz
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It is the greatest of travesties when in advancing a political agenda on religious grounds, we lose sight of principles like simple honesty.
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_Abyssinia
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HHS mandate goes against Catholic and many Christian beliefs but we donāt get an exemption like the Amish and maybe Muslims do. The Catholic Church does not support universal health care that does not protect the unborn so Catholics should be exempted, and so should non-Catholics who have this same view.
Participation in paying for contraception, sterilization, abortificants and abortion services for a Catholic creates a tremendous moral dilemma and something we can not support - so much so that I have heard of Bishops and Priests who are willing to go jail rather than participate in paying for the above services in the HHS mandate. But the Obama admin has no exemptions for Catholics and Christians.
Medi-share members of the Christian Care ministry get an exception too. The admin is picking an choosing who gets an excemption.
The Bishops do not support the Obama admin view that abortion is a form of health care. The Bishops do not support a universal mandate with no religious exemption, so I think it is a safe to say the Bishops have voiced support for universal health care - but not the Obama vision of universal health care.
āThe USCCB opposed the final legislation because it failed this test, a judgment sadly but clearly borne out by the failure of the law and the recent regulation to protect conscience and religious liberty,ā explained Bishop Blaire.
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seekerz
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That was not my point at all. You mentioned the Amish and Muslims but failed to show how their situation is comparable to ours as Catholics. Itās like saying that restaurants cater to the dietary beliefs of Jews and Muslims but not of Catholics!
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_Abyssinia
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Why do Medi-Share members get an exemption - is their situation comparable to the Amish and Muslims? Medi-Share though the Christian Care ministry is just that, Christian. Christians, unlike Muslims and Jews have a diversity of opinion on a universal mandate, but Medi-Share members, they get an exemption. But why donāt any other Christians get an exemption, why not even Christians who are part of other Christian health care programs?
The First amendment protects freedom of religion for ALL - whether that be Amish, Muslim, Catholic, non Catholic.
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seekerz
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On what basis do Medi-Share members get an exemption?
Youāre not making any sense here. You were the one who claimed that the Amish and Muslim are getting an exemption, without explaining what type of exemption it is. We have no comparable beliefs, therefore we cannot avail ourselves of that particular exemption (which, from what I can see is available to any faith which disallows insurance). Thatās all Iām saying; not that we donāt all have a right to freedom of religion or to our own exemptions.
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ProVobis
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For one thing, they are not an insurance company. Yes, they have premiums and all that but medical bills are shared, and volunteerism is strongly encouraged.
mychristiancare.org/medi-share/
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SamH
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With a 180 degree change in her stand on this particular bill in a two week period one can only imagine how fast an entire religon would have to be to keep current with her.āYou know, I donāt adhere to all of the tenets of my faith. Iām a Republican, I donāt adhere to all of the principles that come out of my party,ā she told the Anchorage Daily News. āIām also not hesitant to question when I think that my church, my religion, is not current.ā
My favorite part ^
I suppose Godās laws arenāt ācurrentā.
I love these outspoken people who self-identify as Catholics & act as if they are theologians.
Lord love us.
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JimG
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Voting for freedom of conscience! Really! How terrible! No wonder she is ashamed of her vote! 
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bellasbane
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Wow! Iām still wading through your link and learning lots. Thanks!
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anp1215
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I was really surprised when I discovered that Kay Bailey Hutchison identifies as pro-choice, which I learned only a few months ago from reading her Wikipedia page. I had seen her life issues score card at 100%, so assumed she identified as pro-life. I suppose she just goes along with her electorate in order to keep her seat. Kind of funny, usually you hear it the other way around āIām personally pro-life, but itās not my businessā etc.
This is her last term.
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ProVobis
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I donāt know if that can be emphasized enough for most candidates.
And now weāre heading for an etch-a-sketch campaign.
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anp1215
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haha
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