Music During Consecration

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I recently attended a Mass at Moody AFB in Valdosta GA with my son. They played music (organ) during the consecration of the mass! I could not believe anyone would want any distractions at all during this most wonderful, beautiful part of our mass. This is what it is all about. This is why we are Catholic. We have Jesus coming to us at each mass. Is playing music during the concecration even right? My son and I both felt like we had not even attended mass. It was so distracting.
 
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stellakoz:
I recently attended a Mass at Moody AFB in Valdosta GA with my son. They played music (organ) during the consecration of the mass! I could not believe anyone would want any distractions at all during this most wonderful, beautiful part of our mass. This is what it is all about. This is why we are Catholic. We have Jesus coming to us at each mass. Is playing music during the concecration even right? My son and I both felt like we had not even attended mass. It was so distracting.

Thanks. Your quote parallels my thoughts. We both wonder why “music” is allowed during consecration and communion. We don’t need any music, in fact, as you said music is a distraction.
 
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stellakoz:
I recently attended a Mass at Moody AFB in Valdosta GA with my son. They played music (organ) during the consecration of the mass! I could not believe anyone would want any distractions at all during this most wonderful, beautiful part of our mass. This is what it is all about. This is why we are Catholic. We have Jesus coming to us at each mass. Is playing music during the concecration even right? My son and I both felt like we had not even attended mass. It was so distracting.
I’ve been to Masses with music during the consecration before. The priest sang the words IIRC. I don’t know if it is allowed or not, but I personally liked it. I love music. It helps me pray, raise my heart and mind to God.
 
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tuopaolo:
I’ve been to Masses with music during the consecration before. The priest sang the words IIRC. I don’t know if it is allowed or not, but I personally liked it. I love music. It helps me pray, raise my heart and mind to God.
Yes, it is “allowed” for the priest to sing, rather than recite, the words of consecration.

In fact, it is preferred that the priest sing, or chant, those words. It mostly doesn’t happen in the US…but what else is new?
 
the organ playing is not allowed. the priest is **not **allowed to just sing in anyway he chooses, he may chant parts of the eucharistic prayer in plainsong. acceptable notion is provided in the missal. the consecration may be chanted. (GIRM 147)
  1. Among the parts assigned to the priest, the foremost is the Eucharistic Prayer, which is the high point of the entire celebration. Next are the orations: that is to say, the collect, the prayer over the offerings, and the prayer after Communion. These prayers are addressed to God in the name of the entire holy people and all present, by the priest who presides over the assembly in the person of Christ.43 It is with good reason, therefore, that they are called the “presidential prayers.”
  2. The nature of the “presidential” texts demands that they be spoken in a loud and clear voice and that everyone listen with attention.44 Thus, while the priest is speaking these texts, there should be no other prayers or singing, and the organ or other musical instruments should be silent. (GIRM, emphasis added.)
53. While the Priest proclaims the Eucharistic Prayer “there should be no other prayers or singing, and the organ or other musical instruments should be silent,”132 except for the people’s acclamations that have been duly approved, as described below.

54. The people, however, are always involved actively and never merely passively:** for they “silently join themselves with the Priest in faith**, as well as in their interventions during the course of the Eucharistic Prayer as prescribed, namely in the responses in the Preface dialogue, the Sanctus, the acclamation after the consecration and the ‘Amen’ after the final doxology, and in other acclamations approved by the Conference of Bishops with the recognitio of the Holy See.”133 (Redmptionis Sacramentum, emphasis added.)
viewing music as a distraction is a kind view, in my opinion. it is an overt offense to Chirst. the music turns the spiritual focus of the moment onto the people and away from the Consecration. the people are supposed to be drawn onto the altar by the words being spoken by Christ (in the voice of the priest) about Himself and His real Presence. the music placed on top of those words says, ‘you are not enough for us.’ the playing of the music denies that the consecration is spoken in persona Christi. it denies that the people are able to experience interior awe, and so attempts to mimic it for them.

if this occurs in your parish, you should prepare yourself to defend the consecration before approaching anyone, because they’ve surely prepared themselves to defend their offense. the fact that it is forbidden is not enough for these people. i am looking for a polite opportunity to address this in my parish.

i’ve imaged that they’ll say, ‘the music is a gift to the Lord at his arrival.’ or ‘it enhances the prayer of the people and expresses our unity.’ or ‘bells used to be rung at the consecretion, what’s the difference?’ i have prepared myself to say that ‘each individual is a gift to the Lord, and that we are united in the fact that we are all giving that same gift at the same time. if anyone becomes distracted, our unity is destroyed.’ and ‘by occupying our senses, we are drawn to our own exteriors, away from interior contemplation of the moment.’ and then ‘the bells used to be rung prior to the consecration and/or at the elevation, but never while the priest was speaking. the bells are allowed the music is not.’

if anyone could supply some more compelling statements, i’d love any suggestions. the priests et al. at my parish are already inclined not to listen to me. so, help from others would be good.
 
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We both wonder why “music” is allowed during consecration and communion. We don’t need any music, in fact, as you said music is a distraction.
Music is a distraction for a lot (maybe most) of people when it’s bad. Music is an aid to prayer for many (maybe most) people when it’s good. There is nothing wrong with the choir singing a communion hymn or an appropriate selection of Choral music during communion. Some people see very little music as simplicity- others see it as laziness on the part of the music director. My position is that we’re worshipping God here- why wouldn’t we give our best?
 
I’ve heard the consecration sung and it can be quite poignant **IF **the priest can sing. We are fortunate at our cathedral that several of the priests are trained vocalists.
 
I agree, music after receiving communion is very distracting. I would much prefer to return to my pew, kneel, and give thanks to God for allowing me, a weak sinner, to partake in our Lords Body Blood Soul and Devinity. What an awesome gift He has given us.
 
According to “Redemptionis Sacramentum” Chapter III article 2 paragraph 53: ““While the Priest proclaims the Eucharistic Prayer “there should be no other prayers or singing, and the organ or other musical instruments should be silent”, except for the people’s acclamations that have been duly approved, as described below.””

So, while the priest may sing the Eucharistic prayer, there is not :nope: to be any other singing or music. He has to sing it accapella :bigyikes: .
 
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JustSomeGuy:
the organ playing is not allowed. the priest is **not **allowed to just sing in anyway he chooses, he may chant parts of the eucharistic prayer in plainsong. acceptable notion is provided in the missal. the consecration may be chanted. (GIRM 147)
I have to say…and I’m sure I’ll make people mad…but it’s because of rules like these that make non-Catholics and anti-Catholics say we have too many rules and regulations! To say it’s ok for the Priest to chant, but that it’s illicit for him to have organ msic to chat to just seems like overkill. Our priest chants, and while doing so, the organ is going. If organ music is disrespectful, than we shouldn’t be allowed to have it at all…why single out the Eucharistic Prayer? I think it adds to the prayer and I really enjoy it, along with the chanting.
 
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DJJG:
According to “Redemptionis Sacramentum” Chapter III article 2 paragraph 53: ““While the Priest proclaims the Eucharistic Prayer “there should be no other prayers or singing, and the organ or other musical instruments should be silent”, except for the people’s acclamations that have been duly approved, as described below.””

So, while the priest may sing the Eucharistic prayer, there is not :nope: to be any other singing or music. He has to sing it accapella :bigyikes: .
Very good. That is called authentic unity. We should all be on the same page. Not do-as-you-please mass.
 
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MooCowSteph:
I have to say…and I’m sure I’ll make people mad…but it’s because of rules like these that make non-Catholics and anti-Catholics say we have too many rules and regulations! To say it’s ok for the Priest to chant, but that it’s illicit for him to have organ msic to chat to just seems like overkill. Our priest chants, and while doing so, the organ is going. If organ music is disrespectful, than we shouldn’t be allowed to have it at all…why single out the Eucharistic Prayer? I think it adds to the prayer and I really enjoy it, along with the chanting.
I don’t know, but I think that some liturgical rules and regulations are more like guidelines than hard and fast rules. That may be why a bishop was given permission to wash women’s feet recently.
 
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MooCowSteph:
why single out the Eucharistic Prayer? I think it adds to the prayer and I really enjoy it, along with the chanting.
Think about it, and then you tell us…
 
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tuopaolo:
I don’t know, but I think that some liturgical rules and regulations are more like guidelines than hard and fast rules. That may be why a bishop was given permission to wash women’s feet recently.
No, that would not be a fair assesment. The rubrics are there because the mass is not anyone’s private property. The Vatican caves in on less important issues because they realize they are dealing with rebellious teenagers.

Following the rubrics is what is asked of all of us. If each parish, or diocese, does as they please, then we have congregationalism not the Latin rite of the Catholic Church.
 
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Scullinius:
Think about it, and then you tell us…
I recognize why it’s done, i’m just saying it doesn’t make sense. Why is organ music disrespectful during the Eucharist prayer? Following the same thinking, shouldn’t we have silence during the distrubution of Holy Communion?
 
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MooCowSteph:
I recognize why it’s done, i’m just saying it doesn’t make sense. Why is organ music disrespectful during the Eucharist prayer? Following the same thinking, shouldn’t we have silence during the distrubution of Holy Communion?
to a certain extent the answer to this question is yes. at the time of the communion procession, the communal nature of reception is agumented by the hymn. but the kind of music/hymn is important. we have become accustomed to thinking of it as “music”, but that is incorrect. the music is not the point. it has purpose. music in the Mass is for prayer. some types of hymns are often presented that lose the aspect of prayer and are just another “number” in the “set” that the “band” is playing at their “gig”.

in order to properly appreciate all aspects of the Mass, we must keep our attention focused on the purpose of each element. every time that the music fails to be prayer, it profanes the worship of God. if at communion, the choir cannot present a hymn of prayer for the people to sing to God, as they approach the heavenly meal, then they should be silent.

again, giving proper attention to the purpose of the Eucharistic Prayer, and each person’s role, the prohibition against the use of music at that time makes sense and is absolutely correct. the faithful (and the priest) assist at (i.e. attend) the Mass in order to enter into the Mysteries made present there. the height of our prayer is the consecration. we are there to enter into that Mystery. the total silence of the entire church is itself symbolic. the voice of the priest is the voice of Christ. it needs no addition. the silence is the statement by everyone present, not only that we recognize that, but also that we have totally united ourselves to the person of the priest, who offers the prayer on our behalf. the silence is our presence at the altar. the priest, in persona Christi, offers the perfect gift, Jesus as Eucharist, to the Father. by the silence, we also place ourselves on the altar, joined to that gift, to be offered to the Father. our active attention, listening and prayer achieve this–no distractions, no extras, nothing but us. any additions say that the invisible reality is insufficient. it profanes the gift.

this role of silent involvement is for everyone present. if the musician is playing music, he is not putting himself at the disposal of Jesus Christ. reflect on what that creates. he is withholding himself from Christ. for whom, Christ? can his music be a gift to the Lord more than his very person? by this apparently beautiful thing, he reduces the value of the gift. at the very least, the gift to the Father becomes everyone but one, if not worse. so if it is not for Christ, who is it for? you and i? that insults us. they assume that we cannot give ourselves, so we need music. they assume that we are not at and on the altar. we become the focus of the Mass. at that point, why have the prayer in the first place?

no one is saying that the music is not pretty, well played, etc. we are just saying that it betrays the very act of the prayer at the time. because the silence is the gift of the all people, to break the silence is to prevent the gift. this fact is lost wherever the reality of our communal liturgy is obscured by failing to conduct the sacrifice according to the “rules”.
 
I believe some saints (not with special regard to this debate but just in general) were more pro-music in the liturgy than others. So I think this is an area where Catholics can legitmately disagree with each other.

For me, music, sacred music, is not just an aide to prayer but can also itself be a prayer. I see chanting as a form of music.
 
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