Music is an Uncompromising Meritocracy

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Well I am not sure how many people do what I do when the music not more traditional. I sit it out and pray quietly to myself.😉

Today it was Lord of The Dance now don’t get me wrong I like the song, I listen to it and many others on the CDs in my car and at home. But, at Mass I envision everyone getting out of their pews and dancing in the isle and at the altat. It scares me.😊
 
Well I am not sure how many people do what I do when the music not more traditional. I sit it out and pray quietly to myself.😉

Today it was Lord of The Dance now don’t get me wrong I like the song, I listen to it and many others on the CDs in my car and at home. But, at Mass I envision everyone getting out of their pews and dancing in the isle and at the altat. It scares me.😊
What happens is that you drive 25 miles to attend a reverent NO parish and you have done so since 1983.
 
What happens is that you drive 25 miles to attend a reverent NO parish and you have done so since 1983.
We go 40 miles to the nearest TLM when we can. I even quit my job so I did not have to argue for the time to go to Mass.

But, no one has been able to find a reverent Pauline Mass near us. I may have fond a “more” reverent one about 15 miles from home but I have only visited on weekdays when there is no music but the CD player at the end.
 
Dr. Swain, if you are reading this, please answer a question for me. I see that you teach at Colgate. I grew up in Madison County and would like to know what parish you attend? The music program in our little parish in the pre-Vatican II, early 1960’s, provided a great backgroung for those of us who eventually studied music in college. That is certainly not happening now in most parishes. Is there a parish in the area of Hamilton or Madison County with a good music program?
 
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As was said on another thread - some music is just inappropriate for a Catholic Mass.
 
We go 40 miles to the nearest TLM when we can. I even quit my job so I did not have to argue for the time to go to Mass.

But, no one has been able to find a reverent Pauline Mass near us. I may have fond a “more” reverent one about 15 miles from home but I have only visited on weekdays when there is no music but the CD player at the end.
I have also had qualms about “voting with my feet” as a matter of general principal. However, when I did move parishes the first time, I had to get permission from the local pastor. Which meant an extremely, um, tense interview with the pastor. who took a dim view of my observations about his “gladhanding” during the entrance procession and the "strummin’ and a’grinnin’ music. The fact that the choir director of the time at that parish eventually joined the cathedral parish and choir is ironic indeed.
In most cases, the acceptance of folk idioms was and is entirely uncritical. That is, whether a composition, as music, is excellent or not, whether it is appropriate for liturgy or used properly within liturgy, are things rarely considered.
I loved this quote from Dr. Swain’s article. Instead of musicians trying to strive to be excellent (shades of Bill and Ted 😃 ) and to put some thought into what they are doing and, perhaps more importantly why they are doing it, no, it’s let’s pull out Glory and Praise and that’s fine. Yet, given a little research and a little practice traditional Catholic music and chant is readily accessible by most of the a’strummin’ and a’grinnin’ choirs. They are in a rut and they can’t see the forest from the trees.
 
You know, I know this has little to do with Music, but I made a shocking discovery last night.

While I was up last night, I looked through this monthly missal I got at some retreat. I noticed that somethings that were awkward to the way Mass is celebrated at my Church. Part of the “Order of Mass” prayers were written in Latin! I compared it to the Missal that I recieved at my Parish and it did not have this. Of course, it was not all in Latin. Only the Nicene Creed and the Agnus Dei were in Latin. It was a shocking discovery, because I know that many Missals don’t even have a bit of Latin in them.

Another thing I saw was in the Eucharistic Adoration section, there were prayers like Pater Noster and Anima Christi; I have always heard that these were famous Catholic prayers, but I never knew what they were! Oh yeah, I also saw Tantum Ergo, too. At first it all looked like Spanish, but then I figured it was Latin.

Btw, I didn’t know we were supposed to beat our breast during the “Lord have mercy.”
 
Hello,

Here is a good article on post-Vatican II Catholic liturgical music.

Music is an Uncompromising Meritocracy
by Joseph P. Swain
Excellent article!!! 👍 It definitely “spoke” to me as a young professional musician and especially to older colleagues - those professional musicians that have trained for “20 years or more”. The ones who were able to make it in a Catholic parish for years and years are so haggard and beat down. But we are seeing the heaviness starting to lighten.
 
I read a book that expounds on this article’s thoughts: WHY CATHOLICS CAN’T SING.

This book says that, among other reasons, Catholics in the USA are given nothing but ephemera in disposable pulp missalettes to sing.

Who can take a disposable prayer book or hymnal seriously?
 
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I read a book that expounds on this article’s thoughts: WHY CATHOLICS CAN’T SING.

This book says that, among other reasons, Catholics in the USA are given nothing but ephemera in disposable pulp missalettes to sing.

Who can take a disposable prayer book or hymnal seriously?
The decision makers think very little of the average Catholic. They think that they can’t sing more than a catchy jingle or know any Latin or even more than elementary level English.

Until they and we start thinking higher of Catholics and demanding higher results, very little will change.
 
I read a book that expounds on this article’s thoughts: WHY CATHOLICS CAN’T SING.
This is a GREAT book. 👍 An older colleague of mine recommended that I read this while I was in college and singing in our Cathedral choir. It was one of the things that helped open my eyes with the state of music liturgy today.
 
Today it was Lord of The Dance now don’t get me wrong I like the song, I listen to it and many others on the CDs in my car and at home. But, at Mass I envision everyone getting out of their pews and dancing in the isle and at the altat. It scares me.😊
You’re telling me. Lord of the Dance was first originally published in England. It was sung at a Novus Ordo Easter Mass I attended about 2 years ago. My goodness. Quoting Dame Maggie Smith playing Mother Superior in Sister Act, it was “boogie-woogie on the piano”. 😦
 
I agree, excellent article (and the “Can’t Sing” book is great too).

One of the Thoughts Which Must Never Be Spoken regarding sacred music today, is the effect which liturgy in the vernacular has had, and will continue to have, upon it. Essentially, when the Vatican allowed the entire Mass to be celebrated in the vernacular, this produced a requirement for tons of new music, in hundreds of languages, NOW. There was no possible outcome other than that pop-derived schlock would fill this enormous vacuum.

In the past the Church could count on the efforts of all composers in the Western Church, working over a period of much more than a thousand years, to enrich the treasure of Catholic sacred music. Now the Church has created an eternal cycle of division and segregation according to language, fed by cheap music who’s only guarantee is that the next generation will hold it in utter disdain. How much of the music in today’s missalettes will be valued 50, 100, 200, 500 years from now? Even supporters of today’s Catholic music culture will join in mocking the Catholic music from the 60s and 70s. Don’t they see that the music they support will suffer (is suffering) the exact same fate?

Can the Church in the future ever develop a great music tradition in a vernacular language? I can’t see how it can happen. Everything today is ephemera.
 
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